ATS = Fear

Since visiting this site I've read that our Mind can be read. There are wars going on that we don't know about. There is 1427PPB of Methane in the air within the shoreline of the gulf and the EPA only allows 5 - 10PPB? OHH and that UFO's are 80% extraterrestrial according to the ATS UFO forums by collected post's. Can't forget about Forest's on Mars either! Or how about the lava thats flowing on the seabed side of the oil rupture? I even had to read about corrupt policemen that abduct people from their own property, or policemen that have races, crash into other cars and then continue on with their lives unscaved. Hey I can keep going. How about the thread of untouched land found this year in 2010, yet has had oil drilling on it's lands since 1971. The misinformation on this site is ridiculous too say the least. Not that I'm complaining about people having their own opinion, but that most of the opinions projected are usually based on the he said she said. I quote "The lowest form of truth on this planet is [I Witness Testimony] Yet it's the highest regarded concept of LAW" - Neil Tyson-.

The above was posted while reading and watching all of the posts here on ATS.


So I could agree. ATS = Fear. But only to those who are simple minded.

Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.


[edit on 4-7-2010 by SneakAPeek]

To answer the original post.

Yes, this place has been used as a place of fear mongering. I think a lot of us have put some posts out there that might scare others.

But there is a difference here at ATS; at least we can bring some sunshine in with the rain of bad news. We don't have to be like the mainstream media, pumping out hysteria.

I've come to realize that just posting bad news does nothing to help mankind. It just drags us deeper into the mud. We also need to let people in on ideas that can change the world for the better. It isn't necessary for us to post every bit of evil and every bit of misfortune here.

I think true conspiracies are what belong here, but also, we need to know what we are going to do about it. Otherwise, it's just a place to come to drag your spirit down.

Troy

How do I scare ATS even more?

I've been trying to work out a post that will scare ATS even more. Don't laugh. It's not an easy challenge. With the tensions and disasters ratcheted up to new highs. Someone could snap a five thousand tensile cable and no one in here would hear a thing. Then as it recoiled from the released pressure it could come back _on_ someone slicing a limb off, or them in half. They would have to figure out what had just happened as they looked around from the floor puzzled at the new perspective.

Perfect! I'll write a post showing how something has just past by and no one noticed.

www.fema.gov...

The recently declared disasters.
Puerto Rico is apparently serviced by Fema.
Not surprising really. Nothing too terrible. Not that I looked.

BTW,
the single
best cure for
fear is knowledge.
Sure, knowledge may
increase suffering, but it
does the best at curing fear.


David Grouchy

[edit on 4-7-2010 by davidgrouchy]

reply to post by RamsOnTop


I feel ya.

Recently I had a moment of clarity that from now on I intend to make bringing forth solutions to the problems we all face a primary directive. It seems few care at all about solutions. I've tried simple thread titles about solutions, almost no response. I've even tried framing the thread titles to try to get people to come and debate what I'm trying to say. No notta. And it isn't even one single issue I'm talking about. From the several attempts, in different arenas I've been trying to motivate discussion on solutions, it's been abysmally bankrupt.

So sad. Most people only want to bitch, fearmonger, guiltmonger and debate, but don't even want to debate if it's about the validity of a potential solution or set of solutions. In fact I even tried doing a rant thread like this, which often get hits, but it was a counter-rant in response to a flagged to death thread about sticking your head in the sand, while not caring about solutions. Didn't go too far. A waste of breath. At least tell me where I'm wrong, or maybe starts threads with your solutions people.

It's extremely discouraging.

[edit on 4-7-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

reply to post by RamsOnTop


People are addicted to being afraid after getting used to it from the mass media.

ATS is programming us just like the mass media, make no mistake. I have seriously changed my mind set because of ATS and the discussions here about 9/11. The world is no longer simple to me, with "good guys" and "bad guys". They are all gray bastards.



[edit on 4-7-2010 by Copernicus]

Originally posted by asmall89
I think one has to ignore some of the fear mongering, it will drive you nuts. I remember I was so paranoid about the October 7th 2008 prediction I called up my parents to warn them about it. Of course nothing too big happened, yeah the DOW dropped 700 points but it wasn't the collosal collapse I was expecting.

At its peak of 14,000 it dropped to 6,600 until March 6th.

That was a 7,400+ point drop over several months.

The collapse has been delayed via various methods,
one is the bankster bailout.

They have pumped trillions into a derivatives blackhole
that is estimated to be in the range of 1.5 Quadrillion USD
for the Global derivatives market.

In one congressional hearing they asked the Fed chairman
where the money went and he said he would not tell them.

That is quite telling indeed.

Buffet warned of this mess a few years ago, and a couple years
before it all fell apart.

www.marketwatch.com...

Back then it was a paltry 500 Trillion USD.

In just 3 years time it is listed as 1.2 Quadrillion by some.

www.dailyfinance.com...

So the collapse that was predicted is a staggered one.

Some delay tactics have been used to hold it at bay awhile,
but at a price that will not be fully understood until the puppet
masters are finished pulling their strings.

Make no doubt about it, there will some serious financial problems
coming but it is largely up to the smoke and mirrors ppl when it
will be revealed.

Basically they allowed the OTC market to be unregulated and
the crooks hid their scam there, and then made up fictional
assets based on debt and sold it to everyones 401k and pension
funds and that is why those are about to go broke.

A nearly step by step of how it was done is right here:

theinternationalforecaster.com...

Because the one thing you can count on pirates to do is rob ppl,
and they have done that extraordinarily well.

Good Luck to you all !

[edit on 4-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

Look at your stars, there are a great number of us who feel the same
way. There are a many, many intelligent people on ATS,yet there are Sensationalists, Idiots, Worry Warts, and down right Subversive Types. Over the past few years, conditions have been ripe for fear. Many of the threads have capitalized on that. But the bottom line is, No One Is Coming To Get You,
UNLESS you have broken the laws of your greater society. "They" cant
come to get you for "Thought Crime" because EVERYONE commits that.
So What? Your going to live in fear of your own Opinion? Afraid to say it?
Well guess what, opinions change and so do people. I can say something
right now, and change my mind in two minutes. I have the right to do that and so do you. I can say inappropriate comments at times just as imperfectly
as the next person. But that's what its all about really isn't it. The FREEDOM
to make mistakes, be yourself, and think your own thoughts even if they are
"wrong". As long as you are not a Physical danger to your fellow man.
In fact, if you are afraid of "Them Coming To Get You" Maybe you should
make "THEM" afraid to even consider that. The TRUTH is, "They" are outnumbered, and "They" are afraid that "We" are coming to get "Them."
Savvy?
Once you realize that, you will feel a lot better,,,Regards

[edit on 4-7-2010 by Wildmanimal]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


That analysis would even send Carl Jung away with his tail between his legs.
Excellent Post , Intelligent and Balanced. May I copyright that term...
"Intelligent and Balanced" Now Fox News Will have some REAL competition.

Great Post Proto..Trav.!!! Wildmanimal

reply to post by RamsOnTop


Wow. For a year or more I wanted to say something about this on ATS, just couldn't figure out how to say it. You summed it up beautifully.

Been noticing a lot of fear mongering here. On Coast To Coast AM, as well. C2C guests like Richard Hoagland (as one example) show up regularly, speaking with assumed authority on Seismology, Geology, Astrology, Astro-Physics, Quantum Physics, The Stock Market, Ufology, you name it.

They all preach the same thing; "We're doomed. Buy precious metals. Stock up on food through www.foodrighthere.com. The end is nigh!"

There is very little (if any) factual support for their arguments.

The oil disaster in the Gulf, in particular, lends itself to doomsday scenarios because nothing like this has ever happened before, and there's so little known about what's going on so far beneath the surface of the ocean. It's easy to fear the worst, or pray upon the fears of others for attention or (worse) profit.

Yes, MSM doesn't give us the whole story. That doesn't mean we should believe every alternative conspiracy we hear. Facts are facts, they must be supported by empirical evidence, no matter who presents them.

Enough with baseless fear mongering already.

Just like a lot of people are saying, it is just a case of taking a pinch of salt or a bag of salt with you.

I have never felt any sense of fear. This is because I believe that many of the so-called conspiracy theories are unfounded. I find all the predictions and doomsday scenario such as 2012 very amusing. No doubt, in 2015 ,these prophets of doom will be busy comtemplating yet another world disaster.

Sure there is surveilance and attacks on our civil liberties. This is because the governments and Powers That Be are fearful of their citizens.

Sadly for many on ATS , Doom and Gloom is food. So much so that when there is good news , such as some government removing laws that suffocates our privacy, it is hardly ever discussed. Case in point being the Freedom Bill in the UK, where the coalition government has pledged to restore our civil liberties. Their first act was to cancel the the ID card. Sure some will be skeptical about it but nonetheless it is worth discusing as it helps the whole momemtum. Unfortunately, such events hardly get a mention, although I did start a thread on it.

I fully understand why many ATS thread and posts can cause fear. But I view ATS as a kind of buffet: I only pick out the bits that appeal to my taste.

My advice to all is: do your own research. Use ATS for inspiration and to find out what amuses/bothers/inspires/frightens people. Also use ATS to add new sources to your list for further investigation on your own.

Yes, there is a lot of rubbish on ATS, but with freedom of information and opinion exchange comes the responsibility to shift through this mountain of information to find the gems that are useful to you personally. Ignore the rest.

Take for example the Ukrainian virus you mentioned: I checked that out by googling on various keywords, and I checked the reliability of the sources quoted. I soon found out that the Ukrianian culture involved a lot of, and I mean a LOT, of hypochondria! But without ATS, I would never have learnt about the existence of various laboratories over there, nor would I have come to understand why the Ukrainians I know behave in the way they do!

Conclusion: ATS is an excellent tool for people who do their own independent thinking.

reply to post by RamsOnTop

Interesting thread Ramsontop and under the circumstances, quite appropriate with all the 2012 hysteria. Personally I think a lot of ATS postings are alarmist. Like most people I was a long term browser before joining. I'm not an avid participant but I do like to read peoples “thoughts” on various topics. The worst kind of members are the “school boy” alarmist who cry wolf at the sight of a shadow e.g the morons who consistently post or point to historic google images of thousands of parked “UN” vehicles on disused airfields in preparation for mass congestion or rather mass evacuation after imposition of martial law (these stories are not unique to ATS by the way). I find these posts annoying in the extreme lacking any kind of worth. As a non American I also find it astonishing to see posters calling for the govt / POTUS to do more X, Y or Z and then 3 lines down calling for less govt / POTUS involvement. If that is a reflection of USA public opinion it makes me wonder why anybody would want to run for office!

On a more positive note there are some very insightful posts that I find are extremely thought provoking such as in the Deepwater disaster, 911 truth and the aliens & UFO forums to name a few – not to say they don’t also contain their fair share of dribble. I do enjoy reading comments from some of the more erudite members on this site such as PHAGE, KADINSKY, MAYBE MAYBE NOT and others. I also find that typically, posts from female members highlight an aspect of the issue that I have either over looked or hadn’t given much thought to.

All in all when I filter out the cacophony of noise / fear mongering there is some useful information to be gained so stay positive.Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say this.

Kind regards

reply to post by truthy-bird


lol fear provoke a lot of discussion
God dont fear anything .. but the Devil do PP (another thread) lol

im french to... hope my english wasnt so bad either

When I first start visiting, I was under the impression I would join in the clamor on all sorts of subjects. I was very surprised at how quickly instead, I became a "debunker" for a lot of subjects.

There is no reason to be scared though. If you disregard all the threads that offer 0% actual proof, or that are solely based on "feelings" or "esp" or "visions" or anything like that (not to mention the all-knowing, secret "source.." the person who knows someone who knows someone else who is in a super-secret top position, but can't reveal who they are), then you have very little to be scared of. Much of the "research" on this site is done by the ol' cut and paste routine, often from less reputable conspiracy sites, or sensationalist media sources.

On ATS, there is -always- a killer earthquake coming, a massive asteroid, a population-ending virus around the corner. Martial law is always a week off, killer (and invisible) brown suns, "sources" of tragic information that they can never, ever divulge, and our leaders are lizards.

Don't take too much of this site seriously. I don't accept anything at face value, here. The other ironic thing is that the threads of actual merit.. with solid research and good info, are quickly buried and forgotten. Why? Because people prefer a huge, secret story, disasters, and massive cover-ups, more than they are interested in the truth. It's sadly ironic how deny ignorance is the credo of this site, but it couldn't be farther from the truth.

Yeah, to be honest pretty much everyone on here is either paranoid or an idiot. (Not to generalise)

The idiots say that BAD things are gonna happen, and make stuff up.
The paranoids go AGH NO! NOT NOW! HELP ME!

Then you have some people who just sigh and go, "lets see if this one actually happens."

Once you've joined the rank of the sigh-ers, ATS looks less scary, and turns pretty funny.

Don't let stuff get to you, my friend, the internets is full of fear-mongerers and downright liars. If something bad is gonna happen, then there's nothing you can do. But I'm pretty sure 99.9% of the stuff people say on here won't happen.
If you can't tune it out, don't read it.

Paranoia is good in small amounts. And I started here paranoid. It didn't last long before I started switching stuff off and making my own mind up. It's not hard to read a thread about the end coming or aliens abducting people without believing it's gonna happen once the switch is on off

Happy reading!

[edit on 4/7/2010 by Ayana]

Originally posted by fleabit
Much of the "research" on this site is done by the ol' cut and paste routine, often from less reputable conspiracy sites, or sensationalist media sources.

Yes. Its a conspiracy site so what do you expect? News from CNN or something?

Conspiracies, by their nature, offer little in regards to evidence for obvious reasons. Even 9/11 which clearly was a inside job has about zero chance of ever being officially recognized as one. Same with the killing of Kennedy and other events.



[edit on 4-7-2010 by Copernicus]

reply to post by RamsOnTop


You expressed my feelings exactly, I too was a visitor a while ago, and then one day I signed up, that was just about 3 years ago now.. But I stumbled across many theories that just had me looking over my shoulder constantly. I used to think I was doomed, but once I saw all the conspiracies falling apart I was able to relax a little.

ive been looking into topics on this site for a while now.ive just joined.and im more scared now than i was yasterday lol peace.

[edit on 4-7-2010 by confusedascanbe]

Hi community.

I dont feel scared, just feel depresed from the news here.(on other topics)

Thats why I stick to other fun topics.

Not that I turn a blind eye to reality.

I hate going to the bus top,,feeling small and useless.,,
and sad reading bad news all the time.

The news really makes me cry seeing others steped on,,abused,little children in need,,,,,,,the news is horrible!

I hate the news,,its all bad yet there has to be a few sparks left of kindness and happiness..

I know how you feel.

K

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“George Lakoff is famous for being one of the founding fathers of cognitive linguistics, for battling Noam Chomsky, and for arguing that using the right metaphors is the key to winning a political debate.”

As I understand it Lakoff speaks of framing our contentions in a manner that determines perceptions, ours and others.
A.T.S. and damned little else “scare” me,
The reason being is that I have gained control over how my mind processes what it eats. Outside forces have far less impact on my old “fear part” ever since I struck up a friendship with Critical Thinking.
I am no longer fear-based at the gongs on of the world’s events.

However, ignorance: the lack of knowledge, mine included, should have reduced me to the state of catatonia.
There is a maxim of law that states “Ignorance (of the law) is no excuse.” This maxim is applicable to most, if not all, areas of life.

Critical thought, once learned, brings light to the dark and blows fear away.

Most folks residing in the upper 2/3 of North America have allowed the Power Elite to usurpt our power.

Serendipity gave me this quote
“The bar, the pulpit and the press nefariously combine to cry up an usurpt pow’r and stamp it Right Devine” ~ 1695 (unattributed)

I would modify it to add, “The Banks” even though it is the presses that spew out worth less fiat fractional reserve money.

Back to “scares me”
Nah! I’ve covered it.















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