Most People Don't Care

Originally posted by Armedcitizenry
reply to post by Tha Girl They Call Roc

 

The sad state of America which I am privy to from the inside, is a heavy feeling of apathy. The reason that is taking place is everyone is so self obsessed, it is all about the individual, and most people while perhaps feeling some remorse, couldn't actually care less since it does not effect them directly. If the people in this country don't stand up and start asking questions and demanding answers soon, we all may be in for a hellish new way of life under the socialists.

You do know that there are countries who have used socialized services to the actual BENEFIT of their citizenry rather than the oppression? The Scandinavian countries come to mind as a prime example of nations who are happier, more intelligent, and freer than we are as far as government regulation is concerned.

Quit it with the red-scare, bs. Every single government ever to exist has practiced some for of Socialism... and even so, you misunderstand what Socialism even means. Here, do your homework:

en.wikipedia.org...

Public ownership means that WE THE PEOPLE actually own our institutions. Not some dictator and not some private company who can shut us out of OUR lands and OUR services.

You should know, however, that I am an Anarchist. However, I don't buy into the pure propaganda against things like universal health-care and free college. Those things are some of the ONLY things a government can do right for its people.

Here is a news story about Gulf Coast beaches:

www.cnn.com...

It is a real shame that all of these beautiful beaches are being destroyed.

Mike Adams writes, "It seems downright spooky that on the weekend when the USA is about to celebrate Independence Day -- the July 4th holiday that commemorates freedom from tyranny -- we are bringing you a disturbing report on how the U.S. Coast Guard, under the direction of the Obama administration, has suspended the First Amendment in the Gulf of Mexico.

"Free Speech is now illegal on the beaches of the Gulf Coast. Any reporter, photographer or blogger caught within 65 feet of an oil spill boom, vessel or cleanup operation will be arrested, fined as much as $40,000 and prosecuted with a Class F felony crime by the U.S. government."

www.examiner.com...

Man this aggrevates me!
I haven't been on ATS for a few days, and when I get on I find this thread. Quite a coincidence as I was just talking to my dad and a cousin who were siding with BP... Some people won't change their opinions, regardless of the information you give them. It pisses me off.

A lot of my opinions are supported by you all here at ATS, and my cousin refuses to accept it as "valid information" because this website deals with conspiracy theories. (Even though this topic has absolutely nothing to do with conspiracies)

I live in Missouri. If I could go help around the Gulf I would, but unfortunately I can't. As you said noone cares, and I don't understand it. Oil is pouring out of the pipe, and, correct me if I'm wrong, everything that has been done to "fix it" has either done nothing or made things worse.

Why can't people see that this is a bad thing?

Thanks for the thread, it's good to know that at least some people aren't heartless and selfish...

There have been a handful of similar threads over the years with the same sentiment and the same responses, and it only seems to be spreading. We're becoming further polarized as a civilization between those who care about the world beyond the horizon and those who don't. Perhaps 100 years ago, maybe even 50, it was reasonable to say that things outside your immediate environment did not concern you - when travel was slow and communities were isolated, and when practically nothing outside walking distance had much impact on your life. Now, we routinely do business with people 10s and 100s of miles away on a daily basis, a computer error 1,000 miles away can ruin your bank account, a hacker 5,000 miles away can ruin your life, factory workers 10,000 miles away make almost every product buy, a disease outbreak anywhere in the world could be in your town within a day, ballistic missiles can reach practically anywhere on earth in less than an hour, and we can monitor events around the world in near real-time. But the effect hasn't been to unite people in any way except economically, it seems to me to be quite the opposite: that the things which nominally connect us - tv, radio, internet, telephone, cell-phones, planes, trains, freighters, multi-national companies, economies and markets, etc., have actually served to isolate us from the people we are physically closest to.


As for being able to discuss things with others, I've had a similar lack of success. Close to no one in my age/peer group is interested or even aware of the wider world, except in whatever narrow way it pertains to their hobbies and interests. My parents don't care - they can't afford to - they are far too busy making ends meet and squeezing in some fun/relaxation when they are able. And I can't blame or fault them, they find themselves approaching retirement in a world where a 3-income, 4-person household can barely get by. In such a context, how can we expect people to care about the world when day-in, day-out, their day is spent putting food on the table.

I see a sort of paradox here, in that we are constantly reminded of how much easier life is today than ever before in human history and yet people claim to have less and less time and energy for non-essential activities. We are more stressed than ever, we are more medicated than ever, we are more unhappy than ever, many of us are working harder than ever, and not even achieving the lifestyle which our parents or grandparents enjoyed. If life really has gotten so much easier, why can't many of us afford medical care, why do so many of us virtually never read, why are anti-depressants so incredibly popular, why are we so isolated and polarized, and why don't we care about the massive destruction in the gulf or the unending wars in the middle east or any of the other horrible and very real situations which unfold before us in never-before imagined amounts of detail on tv, radio, the internet, etc.

My conclusion is that the present situation of near-ubiquitous apathy is unsustainable. When people withdraw from the world, those with agendas gain power they have not earned and do not deserve. If we continue to withdraw, we will see the world become what others, such as big-oil, big-pharma, big banks, big government, and any other special interest group, want it to be. And we will have only ourselves to blame.

/rant

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Very interesting interview with James Fox and pictures.

Very scary interview. Anyone with a camera is arrested, freedom of the press, speech, the air over the "spill" is all being tightly controlled.

Sounds to me like someone is hiding something major.

Possibly we're not getting the full story.

Who really controls America?

Read my location.

[edit on 3-7-2010 by ofhumandescent]

Thanks, OfHumanDescent, for posting this. I'm sure this is much, much worse than the MSM is reporting. Which is why there's a media blackout. I read these posts from dismissing this as "just another oil spill" -- they're just burying their heads in the sand. This disaster has the potential of destroying the U.S. and the oceans of the world.

Astroved

Originally posted by Blueangel7
You know, I really don't get the "not caring" thing, because this oil spill will affect the entire planet, if it continues! I have been talking to people in New York, and they could care less. They are talking about their new clothes, and their spa pedicures, just their material possessions! People lack empathy, and that is really sad, not to care about your fellow man! Some people are so selfish and materialistic. My heart is totally broken over this! How can a person NOT care?

That's the hardest part to comprehend. Many people, as long as they are not ground zero in some catastrophe, have been desensitized to world events. As far as to completely disconnect from anything outside their bubble. I've disconnected from a lot of things also, but it is always wise to keep all things in perspective, since 99.99% of all things are connected. I doubt that I will feel any effects from the gulf up in the northern Appalachian range, but I still get mad about it. I've been watching these kind of events unfold for over 20 years. When you convey your concerns and concepts about these tragedies, you end up with a blank stare in return. I knew a guy who lost relatives in the Twin Towers collapse, and he refused to believe it was an inside job. Even after I cited precedence. He was still pissed at Bin Laden.
People need a face to personify aggression and an enemy, or respect and dignity. It's hard to get mad at a faceless entity because there is no physically reactive catalyst. And the conditioning by re-education (schools) and MSM (news, paper, radio, also to include MTV, Nickelodeon, Disney channel, etc) are becoming more persuasive to a Service To Self cult society.
That will be our challenge of the century is to get everyone on the same page.

It's funny you mention the list of participants in helping condition a submission to the PTB and include MTV in it. No pushback on that issue at all here, but rather a confirmation of what you're saying. The "funny" part is I was taking a break from the spill coverage for a day and poking around onliine on Intelligence issues and ran across the article which, for some reason, came up on the search I'd typed in:

vigilantcitizen.com...

One thing, regardless of a specific channel, or newspaper, radio, etc.'s political orientation. media outlets will try and shape and control a story as acceptable entertainment for the American people. We get new filtered slightly different through left and right (think msnbc v. fox) but it will always be to some degree sensational and other hand trimmed to not disturb consumers too much to go out and go shopping.

BTW, some of the above website if you backtrack to its home page will have some pretty weird and controversial segments, but one thing I think he consistently gets right is that Hollywood, whoever or whichever elite controls it, has an agenda and that's to sell. And THAT eats up actors performers, et al without restraint or much caring about who gets damaged how along the way. In this case, I think the people of the Gulf Coast are at best portrayed as victims of a terrible, but limited disaster that can be solved in a fairly short time. I believe this B.S. on the highest order.

What we really need, however, is a radical and fundamental change in how we live and utilize our environment so that it promotes biodiversity, balanced/healthy ecosystems, and light-footprints. With 7 billion people increasingly chasing a voraciously consumptive Western lifestyle, I don't think that'll happen though... tragically.

Agreed. Most people arent REALLY concerned about the well-being of beaches or the ocean. Sure, they get all righteous and blame BP or 'the government' for polluting, but how do they live? The Gulf was full of dead zones for the past decade from urban and agricultural run-off, and that isnt just 'the government's' fault. Its ALL our fault.

Its funny to me to see people freaking out abut 'prisitine' tourist beaches being covered in oil, as if those luxury hotels and paved roads and strip malls and McMansions are all TOTALLY sustainable or something. As if they arent actively destroying the ecosystem, too.

No, acknowledging that might mean we are ALL complicit and everyone knows Americans prefer to be victims and BLAME 'others' for their problems instead of looking in the mirror and coming up with REAL solutions.

Hello Folks,
I am breaking all my own rules to post anything online but I feel it is a must. I have not read through the entire thread but after page 5 I just can't handle it any more. And please forgive me if I do not speak clearly enough. I don't speak well....

I just wanted to let others know that even tho I am just about as far away from the gulf mess as I can be, being here in Montana. I do understand everyone's frustrations. I am another one of those crazy people that cares to much. I cry for many of the people I see around the world that have bad things happen to them due to stupidity. I also cry for those that are to caught up in their own life to even care about a neighbor down the street let alone what is going on in the gulf. To the point I have become a recluse over the years. I cry for the animals that do not deserve this and the multitude of things that will happen because of the chaos. And that list goes on.....

People need to realize that this affects all and I mean ALL of us. Maybe not today or even tomorrow, but it will. It has taken a big part of my diet from me because I now am not sure I can trust the fish.

I do not understand the human species as a whole. and refuse to play the games they play..

Please Take Care and Be Safe. May the Great Spirit watch over and guide you on your Journey....

~AM~

p.s please forgive me if I do not reply after this. I just wanted others to know they are not alone in their frustrations and heart ache.







[edit on 6-7-2010 by amethystmoon]

I live on the gulf. If a person could take time and see what is here and what we as a people stand to lose, I cannot possibly understand how it would not effect them in some way. lives are forever altered generations of families who have drawn their existance from the gulf and its resources face the hard reality it may soon end. Your comments are in fact very beleivable regarding the complete apathy of some people. These are probably the same mindless idiots who elected a president who is without question the biggest disapointment that claims the title of commnder and chief. recently I had an opportunity with family to spend what may be forever the last time at the gulf completely enthralled at the abundance of life threatened, and for what. the greed and carelessness of a foreign corporation whose only concern in their earthly existance is the amount on the bottom line at the end of the day. Go ahead and buy BP all their money is paying for cleanup right now They have singlehandedly increased the job force by thousands. I personally know of a 1 week paycheck for 80 hrs totaling $1,335.35. to pick up their oil. Now whose mining liquid gold?

Most of my friends and family are always talking about the oil leak and are very concerned. We have joined boycotts and really don't know what else to do other than let people know we should all be concerned.

I'd like to share this song. I really like it, and I thought some of you might, too.

The big boys will handle it alright. They're busy digging a hole that they are going to bury the rest of mankind in.

I care and I'm in the midwest where it's "safe".

Very shortly I don't think anyplace will be "safe".

This will affect our rain water, drinking water, crops/food, livestock, the chain is endless.

Been saying this since day one - the oil gusher and now the Coexit they are pouring into our gulf may just be the final straw that breaks humanity's back.

Had a bad feeling about this since day one.

The culling has begun and the world as we know it is about to change in a big way.

None of the people I work with or deal with on a day to day basis have a clue or care about this, it's as if everyone is on autopilot.

I'm amazed how most people (at least where I am at) just don't care.

-- Day 78 --

reply to post by CodyOutlaw


Very good post got me to thinking.

Maybe the reason a lot of people are so apathetic about this is that they are too overloaded with information and that in and of itself has caused many people to "switch off'.

Another post I starred said the words, "brink of mass extinction" and just that phase sent shivers down my spine.

Buckle your seat belts folks, I suspect the next big dip on this roller coaster ride is right around the next bend.

this is my first post . so "Hi" to all. and yes i do care . How could you not care about the animals? while i sit and write this . there's an animal taking it's last breath in the Gulf..