Time runs out for 1.2 million on unemployment

Originally posted by Erasurehead

People can act all rightous and talk about helping your fellow man and all stuff but it doesn't change the fact that there is no money left to keep paying people unemployment forever.

And you are right, but dont blame the victims. You arent pissing people off because you are pointing out the obvious, that there will come a point at which we simply cannot pay unemployment benefits, you are in trouble for pretending the people not working are some how at fault.

Everyone knows this is a really, really bad situation. Everyone knows it is probably going to get much worse. But dont kick the people suffering the most in the teeth over it. It isnt their fault, they dont deserve it on top of everything else they are going through.

Be grateful it isnt you, and show some compassion for the people who are the victims in this. Thats free, it doesnt cost you anything to be compassionate. Your tax dollars are gone, if you are worried about those, if they dont go to these Americans they will go to fund our next ridiculous war somewhere so we can make some wealthy bastards even wealthier.

I personally would rather it go to our people than some sociopathic CEO of some defense company.

when you start getting rid of those egregious institutions then you'll have case for cutting off the only lifeline these people have in the worst economy since the great depression.

til then, sit down and shut up.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


YEP..YOU SAID IT!! i agree with you my friend..I have been paying into UIB for more than 35 years, give it to our people who need it 'til we can't give anymore..give 'til it hurts!! then hurt a little more...these are Americans in need here..

Good, maybe these people will get off of their rear end and find some kind of work. I know where I am jobs are everywhere, i think they do not want to work.

Originally posted by amari

Originally posted by harpsounds
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In the beginning the government had the money to pay for people working but

back when, workhouses were government run programs and not

private sector jobs. Very seldom do government controlled and run

programs work. ^Y^

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I do agree that government schemes like this don't usually work out, but also, if you leave it to companies, it's still just moving things around. If those companies can now hire extra-cheap welfare/benefits people, there are no new jobs being made here, just the low paid jobs will end up even worse paid.

I think there needs to be some kind of long term strategy to create more jobs. A big underlying problem in my view is outsourcing. My idea of stopping the prison labor, and stopping cheap imports, i believe will bring back some jobs into the country for regular people. Although this will increase the prices on some goods at the same time, I think it's a better option than some of the alternatives.

One alternative mentioned is cutting back some 'unconstitutional programs', but I think while this will free up some money, it's a short term solution, and doesn't do anything to address the long term problem of more jobs being needed. It's a nice idea to do aswell though.

Another alternative might be to raise taxes to pay for these benefits, but again I see that as a short term thing, and there is always such strong resistance against tax rises it becomes very tricky to do.

I think I would rather pay a few dollars more on some domestic goods, and know that i'm getting a product that's making long term jobs for people in my country.


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reply to post by tothetenthpower


I see you are from Canada right. Wow you sure do know alot about the United States I see. So you are saying that minimum wage jobs are everywhere right.Ok then let me get this right you say the unemployed are lazy and will not take a minimum wage job. Well then I guess you have no clue about the way things are going in the US. Did you know that for every one job there are six people trying to get that one job. So how is it so easy to find a job. Hell even Obama knows that there are not enough jobs for the people of this country. Honestly people are losing yheir homes that they worked so hard to get. And I guess you have no problem with people being homeless because they have lost a job at no fault of their own.Why do people such as yourself think they know what is going on in the US and don't even live here. And this doesn't bother you since it hasn't happened to you.Wow i will leave iit at that.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Thank you for that. I couldn't have said it better myself. People need to take off their blinders and see what is really going on around them.

reply to post by harpsounds


When these unemployed workers are being payed by the government to work in

the private sector with unemployment monies remember they are creating goods and services that

can be made at less cost and can better compete on the world market.

In other words Americans are more apt to buy American made or

produced. ^Y^


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Originally posted by brainwrek
Federal funding of unemployment is unconstitutional.

This is a matter that seems to be under debate. The constituation does mention providing for the "general welfare" of the people. Of course everyone has a different idea of what this means, but I take it to read as making sure people are generally healthy, not starving or living out on the streets.

This could be done with government food stamps and shelters, or with direct payments, but I do believe it was not the intention to allow people to just die in the streets.

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reply to post by extremedeath


Would you mind saying where you are and what types of jobs are there? Just curious what part of the country is booming.

In Michigan it is very bleak at the moment. One offer I did get was not willing to pay for any expenses associated with moving, and would not pay enough to even make it worth the drastic life change that would have been involved, including leaving family and loved ones behind. I personally believe it is more important to live as a free man on the earth than to work as a slave to corporations and worry about paying back false debt (there is no money, only debt). My savings will only last another month, and I am receiving no benefits. But I would rather live a free man than a slave where i give ten hours of each day to some master who thinks that 'minimum' wage is anything more than a joke.

If more people would learn the reality behind the banking system and indentured servitude, the nature of the corporation masquerading as government, and the true nature of our existence here on this planet, then perhaps we could finally break free and live the existence that is possible in this wonderful universe. These arbitrary human created systems of slavery need to break, though it may take 100% unemployment rate to hit before enough people realize the truth.

edit: for what its worth, I even turned in my resume to a local place today. The $%#@ couldn't even bother to look me in the eye when she mumbled how the position I was qualified for has already been filled. So it is not like even someone like me, who is jaded, disillusioned, and well informed about reality, isn't even trying, cause I am. The offer I received months ago that wouldn't pay enough to relocate was the only offer I have received, and it is not like I'm unintelligent. For the first time in my life, July 1st I will let the alleged debts tied to the strawman entity go unpaid. First time ever. Student loans: will be in default. Credit cards: will be in default. I simply have run out of 'money'. I have never before missed a 'payment' but finally had to stop 'paying' so that what is left in savings can buy food for the next 2 months, if it lasts that long.

So the banks can bail themselves out with funny fiat money, yet they can 't just wipe clean our debts (which are fraudulent on their part from the beginning since they printed it based on our own signatures) as we struggle to live frugally and pay everything and still put food on table. The system is so screwed it is only the brainwashed that think any of this is fair or just.

Paying off promissory notes with additional promissory notes... Well I'm done promising anything to these fraudulent, evil, demonic entities which have enslaved the planet through their monetary systems.

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reply to post by Erasurehead


I see you put alot of thought into this thread, but I have a question are you serious the majority of the unemployed want to work and they will take a job the problem is alot of people are over qualified and can't get that job. How does a person who has no money left because they have been through their savngs acct and they have used have used up the 401k plan that was to help them when they retired. So do not keep saying that you know people who are just taking the money and not looking for work, because there are companies still closing their doors and leaving people with a bleak outlook for their future. I think it is time to come to reality and see what is happening around you.

Originally posted by harpsounds

This is a matter that seems to be under debate. The constituation does mention providing for the "general welfare" of the people.

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General welfare is vastly different from individual welfare.

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison criticizing an attempt to grant public monies for charitable means, 1794

I ran out of benefits months ago. Many places were apologetic and compassionate saying they were so sorry but they were not hiring. Some places said that their workers went down to four day work weeks and wern't hiring. In some places you had to speak spanish to get hired. In some places they were laying off people and wern't hiring.

Many jobs insisted on so many years experience and no exceptions. They were not willing to train. In some places you were over qualified. In some places under qualified. Some places were too far to travel etc.

Those who were hiring had way more applicants than they did job positions.

In between countless job seraches, my husband was in and out of hospitals fighting to save his foot due to diabetec complications. He had by pass surgery for blockage in his leg and eventually lost the leg above the knee. It was hell. Then my elderly Mother was in and out of the hospital.
It was a very intense and trying time for me.

I am now living off of money I won in a settlement from an accident. My husand who desperately needs medical coverage currently has none. He was told two years and no exceptions to get on medicaide. That won't be until this Autumn sometime. I am currently trying to affordable coverage for myself.

In the meantime I use my time to help my Mom and husband in any way that I can. I am making jewley and hope to sell it eventually. I meditate and take one day at a time, read, spend time out in nature etc.

For all the cold hearted and misinformed people saying 'get your off butt and find a job'...We are trying and we don't care if it is minumum wage.

reply to post by Erasurehead


Or what about putting the blame where it belongs, the Obama administration, Pelosi and Reid for not supporting and pumping up the only sector of our economy that has ever produced jobs, the private sector.

Ask yourself, what has Obama done for the private sector so far in his administration? Raise taxes, make it more difficult to hire?

All it would take is a business friendly government to make simple changes that will open the floodgates to employment. Simple solutions for all but Obama.

Obama seems to be more occupied with redistribution and penalizing businesses and corporations than creating wealth and jobs. And until he changes his radical ways nothing can be expected from this do nothing administration.

Originally posted by extremedeath
Good, maybe these people will get off of their rear end and find some kind of work. I know where I am jobs are everywhere, i think they do not want to work.

Please enlighten all of us and tell us where you live and where all these jobs are.

reply to post by Erasurehead

I grasp the severity of the situation very well. Its even worse then you think.

It's just that when reading statements like you said regarding people to just move it suggest otherwise.

I myself have been unemployed for over a year and half and have not been eligible to collect unemployment since January 1st 2010. Exactly one month after I was laid off from my job I immediately enrolled into college and have been attending full time while also actively searching for a job. I've had at least 12 interviews with different companies now that I can remember off-hand.

For the past 5 months I've finally been able to manage my bills by doing contract work when it's available all while still attending college at nights full time. I will be graduating in the fall. Nearly every single person at the community college is either fresh out of high school or is like me.... attending school to re-educate themselves and find a new job.

Many of the people who I've met that have been doing contract jobs are also in the same exact situation. These contract jobs are in no way a viable way to sustain a life or family consistently when you have no control over long or often the work will be available. Those of us who have been unemployed and doing this kind of work no longer qualify or fall under the statistic as unemployed when in-fact we are.

I'm not trying to tell a sob story, but I feel its necessary to give some context to my arguments and reason to why it pisses me off so much when people consider those collecting unemployment lazy or unwilling.

I have yet to meet a single person who's collecting unemployment to be happy with collecting $412 every 2 weeks and in fear of even contracting a cold or any other health issue. Mind you the people on unemployment were hard workers who paid into the system in the first place.

Some will even try and use the argument that you can just get a minimum wage job than. Well my friends again the reality is companies do not want to spend the money to hire and train somebody for a low pay position who has a 4 year college degree with experience in upper management or whatever the case may be. Just to loose them the instant they do finally find a better job. The employer in this case begins to loose money.

Those on unemployment are the victims of the economic crisis, not the cause.



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Originally posted by elocin
The welfare system in general is completely flawed. Instead of just sending people off on their own or to a job coaching centre to find work in an unrealistic way, they should contract companies to come in to hire whoever applies for welfare. You could collect unemployment while you are on a waiting list to be hired. There are tons of jobs that require no skills or education, or brains at all for that matter, and those companies that hire for jobs like that should be FORCED to accept the unemployed who are on assistance. The jobs offered to you should be within your capabilities. If the person doesn't work out with the company that hired them, they can fire them back to welfare. At least that way there would be more people in the workforce, and they would be able to make out the people who are just abusing the system and penalize them accordingly.

Could someone enlighten me as to why this could not happen?

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
This is happening because the majority of people do not truely empathize with their fellow man.

No, tired of supporting their 'fellow man' when they need to keep focused on their own family.

Harsh?... how bout this,... get a job. Anything. Quit waiting for the golden parachute.



This isnt the depression of the 20's,.... far from it.

And three years unemployed, is two and a half years too long on the program.


Sorry if this is too harsh, and I can take the comments,.... but ten years down the road what will be the excuse. huh?

The people that suffer the most from poverty are children.

We need to reopen the sweatshops here in the states so those lazy no good brats can earn their way! I am tired of paying for their fancy schools and free lunches.

Eat the Rich!

reply to post by smirkley

No, tired of supporting their 'fellow man' when they need to keep focused on their own family. Harsh?... how bout this,... get a job. Anything. Quit waiting for the golden parachute.

You seem to fail to see how the unemployment system works. Have you ever been on unemployment?

Those who are collecting unemployment paid into the system in the first place. The money they are receiving is the money that was taken out of their paychecks and matched by their previous employers. Even if the person was making $100,000 at their job the most they can collect varies from state to state but typically $412 a week is the maximum and is only available for 10 months. After 12 months from the start of benefits to be eligible for more benefits you had to of made a certain amount from another employer.

Here in Texas you had to have made at least $2,000 at another employer to qualify for another benefit claim. If you are even approved at that point your unemployment benefits will probably only be about $100 and are based off wages earned outside of unemployment. Rather a bit of Catch-22 if you ask me.

You also must maintain records of actively searching for employment. In Texas you have to actively search for at least 6 jobs a week and provide proof. You also must attend classes provided by the Texas Worforce to help obtain a new job. Failure to comply with these rules means you pay back every single penny you collected and possible felony charges.

The entire point of unemployment and the Workforce Commission is not to hand out paychecks for free. It is a system in place to help those collecting to also obtain a new job. The reason the system is running out of funds is NOT because people are just sitting around collecting a check. Its because there are just so many laid-off workers drawing from the system.

Harsh?... how bout this,... get a job.

Where do you suggest we get a job? If you can give me a valid answer to this my friend than I think you should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize as you just solved the largest part of the global economic crisis.

The argument of just get a job does not work. Depending how much a person is drawing from unemployment they may very well be earning quite a bit more than minimum wage, McDonals or Walmart can even pay. Also, do you think companies are going to spend the money hiring people looking to "just get a job" when they are highly educated and have advanced experience in whatever their previous profession was?

Companies are not going to put themselves at financial risk in hiring over qualified employees. It's just not going to happen no matter how many times you chant "just get a job!"


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