The Filesharing Conspiracy

Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by debunky

 

And you don't seem to be to familiar with deductive reasoning skills. But that's ok. I forgive you.

Lets try:
Your work is protected (I assume) under US Copyright law
US is a member of WIPO
I am in Austria
Austria is a Member of WIPO
This means your work is protected in Austria according to Austrian laws.
If I would aquire an unauthorized copy of your work, you could sue me under austrian law
Austrian law would tell you that owning a copyrighted piece is not prosecutable.
If I distributed your file for free you could try and sue me and austrian law would tell you that as long as I dont have financial interests, this is legal.
One person I distribute it to is from France.
You can then go on to sue this guy, and he will get his first strike under the hadopi act.

Wanna sue any of us 2 under DMCA? Prepare to get laughed out of court.
Did I deduce it enough for you now?

[edit on 1-7-2010 by debunky]

Originally posted by J.Clear

Originally posted by MikeNice81
There is no evidence to back up your claims. There is theory that makes it probable, but theory and reality are two diferent things. It might happen one day, but I don't see it coming soon.

And this is where we are with this. Stargate, please come back when you have the proof ready, I don't think there's any need to elaborate any more about it.

Proof, or it can't be done.

Without theory there can be no practicality
thus I have started the render which will take as
long as it is required and the results will be posted
AS IS....The scientific method DEMANDS that
ALL results be made available for scrutiny
no matter how BAD (or GOOD!) they may be.

And regarding PROOF...in this case it will be in
the eyes of the beholder, some will think the results
will be "good enough", some will think it's utterly
terrible and others will think it beauuuuuuutiful....ME?
I hope people will think it's FUNNY!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by igor_ats

A generation who just waits for a movie to comeout on blu-ray and they then torrent it down. Read a review before downloading. Wrinsing utube for music preview to hear what's good.

I talked to a video-rental owner who was closing down his Business and he told me that there were an awful lot of people browsing videos and reading descriptions in detail without renting anything.

Just browsing through to see what they should torrent-leech next, I guess.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by igor_ats

A generation who just waits for a movie to comeout on blu-ray and they then torrent it down. Read a review before downloading. Wrinsing utube for music preview to hear what's good.

I talked to a video-rental owner who was closing down his Business and he told me that there were an awful lot of people browsing videos and reading descriptions in detail without renting anything.

Just browsing through to see what they should torrent-leech next, I guess.

Where I am from (Austria) Video Rentals stopped carrying all but the most profitable (read: porn) in the mid nineties and started dropping like flies around 2000. (cause, as we all know: the internet is for porn)
Today they are pretty non-existant.
There are also only 2 blacksmiths in a 100 km radius.

Originally posted by drsmooth23
I find that most people arent nearly deep enough to understand that they are hurting other people.

Most people I know who illegally get things over the interweb tend to have very poor taste. They DL a lil wayne album and they think they are on some sort of cutting edge. Really all they need to do is turn on the radio and wait three minutes and he will be on. I had a friend calling me the other day and was asking where she could DL Jersey-Freaking-Shore. I told her to turn her TV to channel 40 and point her web camera at the screen, haha.

I just had to laugh about this. Its pretty mean, but also rings true somehow.

Originally posted by MikeNice81

You might want to read Neil Postman's books. Technopoly and The Dissapearance of Childhood.

Alright, I´ll check it out. But first I`d like to read this Marathon of a Thread. Im stunned by the amount of writing you guys have done.

reply to post by rick1


I think it'd actually be just my point, don't steal it, just delete it or buy it if you like it. And yes, i also prefer streamingsites, but you can't find everything on them.

The other thing is, you can't do what you are talking about in every store, certainly not with a whole album, not here at least. So if i go to the store it'll be a fifty-fifty for me on the album i go out with, why not download, for just a few hours, listen it through, see if you still like it when you wake up, and then go buy ?. It isn't stealing, it's weeding out in the generics (according to your own standards of course), and going straight for the talents.

If what the artist(s) made is worth it, it'll surely be bought, the people with the problems are the copyrighters, managers, and what else inolved that promotes the "talents" that can a make a strong one-album making sure you have to drag yourself down to the store so that you'll most probably buy something since you are there anyway,

Why not let the people decide for themselves without the pressure ?. is it such a hard thing to do ?. I don't see a problem with the artists since they are the ones actually doing the work, therefore i also don't mind buying their albums, the problem just is that what i'm supporting by buying the album is not only the artists, it's the whole backroom too, and i don't see a necessity in supporting those too much.

It's also a much better way for the band to evaluate themselves on, if they are in it for the money it's easier for them to distinguish if the new styles they might change into is getting people hooked or not so they can actually make more money by keeping taps on their sales

(thought i'd just throw in this small edit here where you probably don't read unless your eyes meets (don't know what these symbols---> () are called in english) first, they're talking about shutting down and banning streamingsites for not taking money from people so they can just listen to the music for free without a care in the world, i wouldn't really know what is fair in that since the misusage of the medias go both ways)


[edit on 1-7-2010 by ipaladamus]

Originally posted by StargateSG7


Without theory there can be no practicality
thus I have started the render which will take as
long as it is required and the results will be posted
AS IS....The scientific method DEMANDS that
ALL results be made available for scrutiny
no matter how BAD (or GOOD!) they may be.

And regarding PROOF...in this case it will be in
the eyes of the beholder, some will think the results
will be "good enough", some will think it's utterly
terrible and others will think it beauuuuuuutiful....ME?
I hope people will think it's FUNNY!!!!!!!!

That's all fine, but I think it's clear there's a few people here who'll be able to make quite an informed judgement on the quality of the results. We'll apply scientific method too in analysing it.

Awaiting the results anxiously

reply to post by debunky

Are you really that insecure that you have to prove something to me. What's your problem dude? Things been a little slow for ya lately?

Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by debunky

 

Are you really that insecure that you have to prove something to me. What's your problem dude? Things been a little slow for ya lately?

Just trying to educate
International law can be a rather tricky subject. It took me a while to get it too. So me, being a scumbag thief, like to share what I learned about it.
Now please send me 100.000$ for the content you just recieved from me. And don't ever tell anybody else about it!

Originally posted by Skyfloating
How can you all be so sure its not? Why is it so easy to access everything?

I have to say it because to me its bleeding obvious & no one is addressing it yet.

Assuming that the main perpetrator of a filesharing conspiracy is this quasi-known 'powers that be' i.e. anyone pushing for a NWO,

the only thing that would be worth their time & effort is to
shut it* all down completely.

*P2P file sharing...

If you don't understand what I mean,
perhaps you could explain to me how
'freedom of knowledge', specifically that -

EVEN classified & exclusive materials are made readily available free of cost to even the most laymen of commoners whether intended to be or not,

is or can be in any way shape or form USEFUL to 'TPTB' ???

other than as the very cause of their exposure....

unless they were attempting kamikaze, the very UNCONTROLLABLE file sharing technology that ALLOWS for things like classified MK-Ultra documents to be spread like wildfire is NOT anything they would actively promote.....or is it? excuse my ignorance if it is but it just seems such a ridiculous idea...

In fact, if anything they would be seeking to control & moderate the technology & have the current in-place set of laws applicable to it.
Currently it is not easily enforceable by law & therefore impossible for 'TPTB' to force their 'censorship' hands much in the way the 'copyright infringement' accusation system is being abused to block anti-Scientology materials under the false pretense of copyright infringement.

IF indeed there was a conspiracy attached to file sharing, it would HAVE to be an attempt to limit/restrict & control it, and as that is the exactly same 'solution' you propose as a 'reaction' to the 'problem' of copyright infringement & 'trickle down' economical repercussions, you would surely seem to them like a blessing beyond what they could have hoped for, in other words, if there was a conspiracy here, you would be unintentionally serving the cause, helping the conspirators to develop there scheme.

So, rather than continue to justify this threads initial cause which may well unintentionally play into a 'problem reaction solution' scenario...

I simply state that if it were not for file sharing, I would not have the hundreds of books exposing government, military & secret society crimes against humanity, I would not know the truth. It would prevent me from making educated choices about my impact on the world around me, I would not know who to boycott, or why.......

Its like in that movie "Idiocracy",
personally I would like to know whose arse is on the screen
and why it is farting.....

again, if it were not for file sharing, I would have NO means whatsoever of accessing 2/3rds of the information I have about those who would seek to harm ALL of us.

sometimes the laws are meant to be broken.

-B.M

P.S) if you disagree on the file sharing thing being the best weapon against TPTB then point out even ONE alternative means of getting the information, where TPTB CANNOT find out about it or control/restrict your access to it.

There IS NOT one single other technology that allows unrestricted access to files like that, and therefore it is the ONLY technology that CANNOT be infiltrated and CENSORED by TPTB....

Am I the only person here that realizes how important that is??

EDIT:

SkyfloatingClassic Problem-Reaction-Solution. Create a Problem (Illegal Downloads), Offer pre-conceived "Solution" (Less Freedoms).

I wouldnt be so sure there is no Conspiracy at work here.

So its seems then you 'get it' but its interesting that at the point of writing that post your opinions on the conpspiracy at hand (if indeed there were one) to be the opposite view of what you thought it would be in the OP, if it were indeed that you were doing this intentionally, you would be doing quite a good job of a "problem-reaction-solution trick" yourself!

hmmmm......

you know...on this website, anythings possible.....

[edit on 2/7/10 by B.Morrison]

reply to post by B.Morrison


Ive been saying for awhile that the mere existence of the Internet debunks the notion that "everything is under control" by some "PTB". People are ranting about not having "freedom of speech" or "free Information" while there is more freedom of speech and Information than ever before in History - thanks to the Internet.

On the other hand, downsides need to be considered. The possibility of a "PTB" needs to be at least considered.

Being overloaded with Information and Consumer Products does not necessarily translate into Freedom.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by B.Morrison

 

Ive been saying for awhile that the mere existence of the Internet debunks the notion that "everything is under control" by some "PTB". People are ranting about not having "freedom of speech" or "free Information" while there is more freedom of speech and Information than ever before in History - thanks to the Internet.

yes, but it also seems that everything 'we' do on said internet can be monitored. Therefore it is no longer 'free', it is simply the illusion of 'freedom', which is specifically, "freedom given to you" basically, IPs can be tracked, what seems free today you discover is the evidence against you later. anonymity is somewhat of an illusion because sure you can download this doco and that doco anon. from one website and go oh wow alex jones is intense! but likewise you can download the same thing from a different website and be put on a watch list.

like the 2 American kids who downloaded the 'anarchists '****book' and were tracked and put on the FBI watchlist as suspected terrorists. Really they were simply country folk who like blowing up things in their paddocks around the farm for #s and giggles....

as far as I'm aware...
EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET EXCEPT FOR P2P CAN BE & IS EASILY MONITORED.

if the above statement is erroneous than please enlighten me as to a legal alternative means of accessing documents that the corrupt members of the GOVERNMENT and the MILITARY DO NOT want THE PUBLIC, to know about. (TPB in MY eyes)

If you know of an alternative means for me to uncover the truth behind government & military LIES, without the possibility of being monitored, I would love to know, honestly I would.

But I've yet to discover such a thing if it exists. File sharing is the closest thing to foolproof security I've ever encountered.

this is the only point I'm making but I think its important, no?

-B.M

P.S) part of my posting this is to indeed find out if I HAVE got things right as to the 'secure-ness' of P2P....I'm hoping some tech savvy people out there might know something about it all...

[edit on 2/7/10 by B.Morrison]

reply to post by B.Morrison


If it is true that p2p is the only thing safe from uninvited eyes then that would be important yes. But is that true? Wouldnt I have to encrypt and anonymize myself?

Originally posted by B.Morrison
as far as I'm aware...
EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET EXCEPT FOR P2P CAN BE & IS EASILY MONITORED.

...

Originally posted by Skyfloating
But is that true?

Nope.

Among other methods of snooping into your downloads and uploads, there's Deep Packet Inspection.

Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news...


TheAssoc.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by B.Morrison

 

If it is true that p2p is the only thing safe from uninvited eyes then that would be important yes. But is that true? Wouldnt I have to encrypt and anonymize myself?

I'm sorry but I don't actually know that. admittedly I should have made certain before posting but in a roundabout way I think someone will answer that for both of us..(hopefully)

I don't know about encryption, but I do know that anonymity and bypassing certain security systems in place for some sites is getting easier & more mainstream due to things like the foxyproxy plug in for firefox.

However despite the few security measures I AM aware of, I ALSO know that if an interested entity was powerful enough they could get info directly from your ISP, if you use Paypall or e-bay someone who intended to could track you down to your home, if you use google maps on your iphone they could track you to where you stand, and there's no shortage of satellites out there to observe things..

I know it sounds paranoid but logically its really not that far fetched, the technology is there for those who would desire to use it, all there is to doubt is the desire....and if you take into account the importance of a well-sedated majority, there is a definite 'need' for it in the eyes of those who would seek to maintain any level of 'control' over the (perceived as) 'wild' public.

the documentary series called "the century of self" is a great summary of this 'sedated majority' idea I'm talking about...its a fantastic watch & I highly recommend it.

But regarding the security benefits of P2P, etc I now realize it's more complicated then I made it out to be & there's nothing more I can contribute to the topic until I get more educated on it myself so I guess I will have to wait & see...

-B.M

[edit on 2/7/10 by B.Morrison]

reply to post by TheAssociate


not at all, thank you for the correction, one cannot benefit from knowledge if it is false.



P.L.U.R.I
-B.M

P.S) if there really are the underground anti-NWO groups 'out-there' that I sometimes imagine fighting the various secret societies out there....

which is probably a fantasy, and one I personally find is fueled by the claims of people like B.Fulford....

but if there are groups like that out there,
and they do rely on technology like this & other means of hiding themselves online,

they must have a really freaking difficult time doing it....!

[edit on 2/7/10 by B.Morrison]

reply to post by TheAssociate


I found the following from the link interesting & worth posting...

Targeted advertising

Because ISPs route all of their customers' traffic, they are able to monitor web-browsing habits in a very detailed way allowing them to gain information about their customers' interests, which can be used by companies specializing in targeted advertising. At least 100,000 US customers are tracked this way, and as many of 10% of US customers have been tracked in this way.[citation needed] Technology providers include NebuAd, Front Porch and Phorm. US ISPs monitoring their customers include Knology,[9] and Wide Open West, and probably also Embarq[citation needed]. In addition, the UK ISP British Telecom has admitted testing technology from Phorm without their customers' knowledge or consent.

Quality of service
Applications such as peer-to-peer (P2P) traffic present increasing problems for broadband service providers.....
.....
.....
.....This is the approach that service providers use to dynamically allocate bandwidth according to traffic that is passing through their networks.
Other Vendors claim that DPI is ineffective against P2P and that other methods of Bandwidth Management are more effective.

but I guess the most crucial...

In addition to using DPI for the security of their own networks, governments in North America, Europe and Asia use DPI for various purposes such as surveillance and censorship; many of these programs are classified.

it then goes on to list some interesting things about the various nations governments usage of DPI.....

-B.M

[edit on 2/7/10 by B.Morrison]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by B.Morrison

 

Ive been saying for awhile that the mere existence of the Internet debunks the notion that "everything is under control" by some "PTB". People are ranting about not having "freedom of speech" or "free Information" while there is more freedom of speech and Information than ever before in History - thanks to the Internet.

On the other hand, downsides need to be considered. The possibility of a "PTB" needs to be at least considered.

Being overloaded with Information and Consumer Products does not necessarily translate into Freedom.

edit on by Skyfloating because: (no reason given)

What better way to hide than in plain site. What you give people is information overload. That in itself insulates better than just about any safe or encrypted network.

The majority of people will never get past the music, movies, and sports on the net. They will be too busy trying to stay "culturally literate" to ever really see or say anything. They will be too busy checking all of the Lebron James trade talk, Eclipse previews, and finding out if Heidi and Spencer were ever married. They spend so much time on trivial matters because they want to seem to know as much as everybody else at work. Or, they will be trying to escape from their own crushingly dull life. Then there are the people that will be downloading every new indie rock band trying to stay just one step hipper than their friends. People will gorge themselves on pointless noise. They will know tons of information but have no knowledge.

Then you have the people that will come for the news. They will read Drudge, or Huffington, but probably not both. They will read CNN and learn a lot. However, it will all be without context or reference. So, they will be building a database of useless knowledge. The secondary benefit is that they will be filling up on propaganda and "appropriate thought." (Read Chomsky's writings about the role of intellectuals in society to get the whole picture.)

So by the time you weed out the majority how do you get the minority to miss the big picture? You make sure any yahoo with an idea and 45 minutes can get a website. Then you develop a tool like a search engine so that people have easy access to the idiots and the truth.

I remember looking up FEMA trains. When I did there was some random BS from Alex Jones. Then there were literally two pages of results filled with the exact same thing. Every article about the trains was a copy and paste from one of the first results. By the time anybody scans that far in to such bad scholarship they are going to doubt what comes after.

To make things even easier for TPTB with so many websites out there people are bound to run in to a site that confirms their beliefs. How can we use the fact that both sides have posted their beliefs to increase confusion and foster division? Give them message boards where they can come together and yell at each other for days. Then they get defensive about protecting their ideals and world view. So it becomes not only a matter of information overload it becomes a stress mechanism.

The few that keep striving after all of this have to worry about hoaxes, disinformation, and conjecture. By the time they do dig through to anything useful they are haggard and beaten mentally. They might learn something useful if there is enough out there to give context and useful information. Then when they try to share it with the population in general almost nobody cares. They either never cared or are so weary from the journey that they can no longer care.

The number of people that care will be small however it will be large enough to be divided. There will always be the portion that attacks the findings because it upsets their world view. It doesn't fit in to their orthodoxy so it must be crushed. Another group of people will read it and not understand it because they are so overloaded with information that they can not put it in to a useful context. A third group will read it and become frustrated because they don't know what they can do about it. (Eventually members of the third group fall back in to the majority.) A fourth group will grab hold of it and take it to some illogical extreme and damage the integrity of the research itself. The remainder accomplishes nothing because they can not agree on a plan to do anything about it. The divisiveness seeded in to them along the path makes it nearly impossible to band together for a common goal.

That is how seemingly unlimited freedom of information and speech destroys resistance. I could probably write a small book on the matter. I think I'll leave this as a modest overview for now.

Also like others have said. On the internet tracking a person's actions is beyond easy. From the moment you log on somebody is watching you.






[edit on 2-7-2010 by MikeNice81]

I can't believe I read this whole thread. But my opinion as to file sharing and copying other people's work, if you like a piece of music, art, book or whatever and would like a copy without paying for it, I say:

1. If you like a song, go out and get the instruments, learn how to play them, record it yourself and listen to your own recording of that same song.

2. If you like a movie, go out and get a camera and related equipment, gather some friends, find the right locations and produce your own version of that same movie so you can watch it any time you choose.

3. If you like a painting, go out and get some brushes and canvas, take the time to learn to use them and produce your own version of the painting so you can contemplate on it anytime you choose.

4. If you like a book, sit down and start writing your own version of the book so you can read your version over and over any time you choose.


All the above options will still let you off easy, as it disregards the years of thought and contemplation that are required to first come up with the original thought and inspiration behind the work. It also will save you time in the planning of that work as you all ready have been given the "blueprint." It may take some time for people to do this, as it's not as easy as just pushing the "duplicate" button, but it will go to show just an inkling of what the musician, artist or author had to go through to produce the original.

Anyone that says this is just too time consuming or they aren't able to do this themselves, I think, should have no reservation in handing over $15 for a CD, $25 for a book, $15 for a poster, or $20 for a DVD.