The Filesharing Conspiracy

Originally posted by MikeNice81
Thanks for the links Stargate. I will be reading them in the days to come.

About Vocaloid, I've used it. In less time than it took to program four part harmonies for a lead my assistant had allready went in and recorded two parts with the lead. I then got the singer to sing his own fourth part.

Plus the quality of output was glitchy on uncommon words and letter combinations.

It couldn't give me the right drawl for a New Orleans sounding vocal. It did okay overall but the emotion was completely missing. Even people that didn't know when I used it commented that the backups sounded stiff or stale.

Admitedly we are talking 2006 so things may have changed.

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aaahhh but that software is (was?) $1200 or so
and at $150/hr for studio time plus other costs
it wasn't totally BAD...it just didn't suit YOUR needs!
But for others, THEY might have a use for it because they're
too cheap to get it done professionally and for them it'll be
good enough and then Yamaha (or ME!) keeps improving
it because so many people are buying it because it's
"Good Enough" that it becomes better and better to
the point where it can MATCH or SURPASS human abilities.

If I remember correctly, my part of the whole thread was started
based upon whether or not software can ever be as good as
a real engineer or artist. For most intents and purposes the
answer is NO for current commercially available software

....HOWEVER....

in labs elsewhere and based on what's in our lab, I say YES!!!!
Software can not only MATCH humans but EXCEED their abilities
in SOME areas of multimedia production...specifically those
that are basically algorithmic in nature such as photographic
composition, sound level adjustment or mixing, or simple
graphics design & layout, and voiceover & song production.

And regarding the hardware, I can get so many tracks on
a quad-core to do enough mixing & layering that it becomes
moot to even talk about limits because there are effectively
none; the number of available tracks being too great a number
already for us to use all of them tracks with any usefulness in
general music production.

My comment about array processors is merely for show
in that it highlights the intended uses for our software
which is on high end computers in the $150k+ range.

...BUT...since Intel in 2006 built a prototype of a processor with
80 cores that can perform a trillion floating-point operations per
second and promised them in 5 years time which is only a year
away! Very soon my grid-processing software WILL become
practical on CHEAP home computers.

See website: 80 core processor in 5 years (2006 article)
news.cnet.com...

and

New Chip Design Promises 3 Terahertz (3000 Gigahertz) Processors:
www.informationweek.com...

NOW THAT is hardware we can use for MY software!!!!

Coming soon to a desktop NEAR YOU !!!!!!

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Now regarding my own test, my only WAFFLE is that I must confess
I haven't actually TRIED to turn Britney into Pavarotti....BUT...next
week we'll find out if it can (or NOT!).

And i suspect that no matter what my software does....
It'll be FUNNY as all h***-- Good enough to go all viral on Youtube!

reply to post by Skyfloating


You'll be happy that you bought a few books when the grid goes down. We are heading into the most active part of the Milky Way. That's what the Mayan Calendar is all about. Our sun rises in the very center of the ecliptic of the Milky Way on Dec 21, 2012. At the very least, there will be solar flares, and the grid will go down, at least temporarily.
At the very worst, there could be a pole shift. You'll still be glad to have a book, if you are one of the survivors.
I try to back up important info by printing it out, and for music, I have an acoustic guitar and I've taken the time to learn to play it.
You may have to learn what real food looks like, too.

Originally posted by StargateSG7

then Yamaha (or ME!) keeps improving
it because so many people are buying it because it's
"Good Enough" that it becomes better and better to
the point where it can MATCH or SURPASS human abilities.

That's a leap of logic. Jumping from a tree? It MAY well follow that this happens but I certainly don't think you can call it a fact. I'm remembering how you've rowed back from your other FANTASTIC ASSERTIONS when you've been pinned to the collar a bit. I think only time will tell for this assertion but I'll sit on the skeptical side of the fence for a little longer.

in labs elsewhere and based on what's in our lab, I say YES!!!!
Software can not only MATCH humans but EXCEED their abilities
in SOME areas of multimedia production...specifically those
that are basically algorithmic in nature such as photographic
composition, sound level adjustment or mixing, or simple
graphics design & layout, and voiceover & song production.

No, no, no. Not without proof. This is what we need here. You already made this sort of claim then totally rowed back from it when the challenge was set to you. This is just total waffle again. C'mon!

Now regarding my own test, my only WAFFLE is that I must confess
I haven't actually TRIED to turn Britney into Pavarotti...

Well, I think there's been plenty of other waffle. And you said this could be done. Let's hear it.

reply to post by J.Clear

I'm cornfused! What happened to the guy who was gonna run us all out of business. Seems the only thing he's run out is his own confidence.

Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by J.Clear

 

I'm cornfused! What happened to the guy who was gonna run us all out of business. Seems the only thing he's run out is his own confidence.

The only thing I'll be taking heed of from now on will be the demonstration. No more talk. Game on.

reply to post by Skyfloating


I love your post. You have mentioned some very important things people should be aware of.
I always purchase books from the bookstores and I know many people who do that.
Secondly, as far as movies are concerned, I prefer watching in cinemas or TV. Very rarely I watch them otherwise, I used to rent DVDs earlier from a video store near me but that also sells pirated stuff. I don't deny downloading movies from the internet, but it's very rare for me. I stick to movie theaters and TV for that.
Now comes music, I do download songs from the internet and that too for free which I will change soon when I start earning again.

To me, it is not about how much the artists are getting or losing through my actions (although it does bother me that some artists have quit due to piracy), it is more about the effect it has on people. Having easy access to all the media for free, makes you want to download everything that is suggested to you. Of course it consumes one's energy everyday and most importantly, the attention you should be giving in your important tasks, is diverted somewhere else instead and people are ignoring their real life. In my opinion, going out for movies is far better as it gives you a chance to meet your friends and enjoy with them.

It is evident that when you are spending money on something, you would think about it, make a choice, do it carefully and then choose the movie, book or whatever. But when everything is free including some cheap, horrendous movies/books that you would not buy otherwise, you actually tend to fall for it and everything you watch or read does have an impact on the mind. This is slowly causing a drift in people's lifestyle and the way they think.

It is nothing but the cheap mentality of people to get anything for free. And still, despite the fact that people are saving money on expensive books and DVDs due to piracy, their financial woes are on the rise.

Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by daskakik

 

Your country granted you that right? what country are you from? You don't seem to be well acquainted with international copyright law.

Seems like you aren't either:
If your country is a member of WIPO (Which most of them are) two things are agreed upon:
1) Copyright protection in one member state is copyright protection in all member states
2) The laws that are applied are to be the laws in the country in which the use of the material has happened.

People have been downloading music for a long time. Only since new laws were enacted did people frown on it. Just because the law says its wrong its wrong? It wasn't wrong before these laws were instituted.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Obama's 'Identity Ecosystem' will tie our names to EVERY device we use, replace all passwords

Classic Problem-Reaction-Solution. Create a Problem (Illegal Downloads), Offer pre-conceived "Solution" (Less Freedoms).

I wouldnt be so sure there is no Conspiracy at work here.

Originally posted by Spacedman13

Man i wish i was a kid again, playing , going camping, reading books, enjoying nature, watching the stars.........

Nope. The New Order of the World is for the populace stick to a 2-dimensional screen full of "information" that saps their life energy.

Originally posted by carbonlifeform
That is why i`m planning on buying Kindle

Kindle (and similar devices) is an anti-piracy scheme for books. One of the first the industry (finally) came up with.

Originally posted by MonsantoTriffid
Another reason for increased piracy and hatred of big record companies is their abuse of copyright law. Often they would market things to the point where they would become ingrained in society / common use. I’m talking about things like companies owning Christmas carols etc.

Yep, lots of bad karma the record industry created there.

The next thing to replace Hollywood will be the games industry, as it steadily moves to fewer popular titles and bigger budgets. Can’t wait to see what happens to them.

Gaming is more interactive than movie-watching so its destined to eventually replace movies as #1 entertainment, I agree.

Originally posted by Data_Corrupt


Free Products = people spending there money elswhere, that's where marketing comes into play

Interesting point, well worth re-quoting.

Originally posted by demonseed

I have a few musical pursuits of my own and i was wondering something about your musician friend. You said he can pack a room of 200 people.. but he makes less than $20 a month? Did he make nothing off the concerts?

Yes, he makes something off of his live performances. He only makes $20 a month from online sales. Which doesnt even cover his costs for driving to his stage...

reply to post by Copperflower


Nice post there on page 16. In my world artists and teachers would get the highest pay. But as things stand right now, they are underpaid.

reply to post by StargateSG7

in labs elsewhere and based on what's in our lab, I say YES!!!!
Software can not only MATCH humans but EXCEED their abilities
in SOME areas of multimedia production...specifically those
that are basically algorithmic in nature

I have yet to see any proof of this anywhere. Untill your experiments prove otherwise the answer is no across the board.

...BUT...since Intel in 2006 built a prototype of a processor with
80 cores that can perform a trillion floating-point operations per
second and promised them in 5 years time which is only a year
away! Very soon my grid-processing software WILL become
practical on CHEAP home computers.

Intel hasn't shown this chip since then. Their own page about the chip hasn't been updated either. It wasn't on the schedule for Tech Day on June 30th Maybe it will appear in Febuary. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

I remember reading an article that said by 2010 we would have the technology to implant a computer with the power of a Pentium 3 in human brains. They swore it would revolutionize everything. People would have prostehetics they could control with nothing more than a thought. The list of things just went on and on. They even thought it could attach to sensors in the body and run like a high version of OBDII for the human body.

Technology always promises huge things and usually comes up short or way behind schedule.

And regarding the hardware, I can get so many tracks on
a quad-core to do enough mixing & layering that it becomes
moot to even talk about limits because there are effectively
none; the number of available tracks being too great a number
already for us to use all of them tracks with any usefulness in
general music production.

Given current technology and power it would still take days upon days to do the algorithmic work you mentioned. You could record 800 tracks which is cool, but it wouldn't be able to perform the experiment set forth in less than a month.

I haven't heard anyone else claim a computer could run it's own virtual live show and mix it before. So I'm not even sure if the 800 track play and mix could happen.

There is no evidence to back up your claims. There is theory that makes it probable, but theory and reality are two diferent things. It might happen one day, but I don't see it coming soon.

Originally posted by Valeri
Everything is free on Earth,because you DID NOT CREATE ANYTHING! all the STUFF like houses and money and cars and clothes and food - all the essentials are grown and produced by EARTH

I understand your point. But the keyboard you are typing on and the screen your typeset appears on...were they created by earth?

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Spacedman13

Man i wish i was a kid again, playing , going camping, reading books, enjoying nature, watching the stars.........

Nope. The New Order of the World is for the populace stick to a 2-dimensional screen full of "information" that saps their life energy.

edit on by Skyfloating because: (no reason given)

You might want to read Neil Postman's books. Technopoly and The Dissapearance of Childhood. Really cover your opinion very well. Both of the books are about 30 years old. They are still readily available though. Colleges still use them in teaching classes on humanity and technolgy.

Originally posted by MikeNice81
There is no evidence to back up your claims. There is theory that makes it probable, but theory and reality are two diferent things. It might happen one day, but I don't see it coming soon.

And this is where we are with this. Stargate, please come back when you have the proof ready, I don't think there's any need to elaborate any more about it.

Proof, or it can't be done.

reply to post by debunky

And you don't seem to be to familiar with deductive reasoning skills. But that's ok. I forgive you.