CIA operative caught red handed?

reply to post by airspoon



this is a publicity stunt for swordfish 2

Ok, I had to reply to this lol. I havent replied to a post in over a year, but this is ridiculous. This guy is no spy for the agency, I worked with multiple agencies and been to multiple courses, I have delt with plenty of people that have worked for the agency; this guy is nothing more then a wana be, who seen too many movies..

reply to post by marsoc


Are you trying to suggest that your a spy? It would be ridiculous to count this guy off from being an asset of any intelligence agency or "ABC". A wanna-be doesn't really produce extremely viable counterfeit money, nor does a wanna-be usually mill assault weapon parts, most likely lower receivers. Also, a wanna-be usually can't get into the social circles that this guy was apparently into. That's not to say that it couldn't happen, only that you can't brush it off when it does.

Did he get out of college and send his resume to the CIA for an "official" position? Probably not, that's not the question posed either. The CIA and other intelligence agencies from foreign countries have assets that do all of the dirty work. That's just the fact of it. It's not like in the movies, where you see a clean-cut all-American infiltrating foreign governments and terrorist groups to bring them down with the full support of the American government, rather they use assets, many times training these assets to accomplish their given goals.

With that being said, I'm not arguing that this guy is or isn't an operative of an intelligence agency. It's impossible to say with the amount and quality of information given.

Not all intelligence agency assets are what we think of them from what we experience in the movies. In fact, our own CIA has used less impressive people to do their bidding in both the Middle East and Latin America.

--airspoon

The whole thing could have been contrived by TBRB (The *......* That Be) as a pretext to further their agenda of martial law.

I smell a rat here.

Trust me i know wat your saying.Obviously Im not gettin into how i know certian things or why i think this, but most people wana belive the more exciting version. I just tend to say in this case this guy is a phony from the looks of it. CIA emblem, story in the paper, etc.. Its easier and a non plausable option to higher outsiders for lots of "work". Counterfieit money and manipulating weapons are easy, plenty of crooks do this and anyone with any kind of small weapons experience or who knows the right people can modify weapons.

CIA?? BS.

He is a criminal planing something.

The 5 foot CIA seal is old school.

We used to draw 4 by 5 foot Calif driver licenses and hang them on the wall then put some one whos photo we wanted on the fake in front of the 4 by 5 foot Calif driver license. with a polaroid you could take a photo.

If the camera was the right distance from it you then could cut out the photo and laminate it and have a fake drivers license.

All of this was old school circa 1970s before computers and photoshop.

Likely he used the CIA seal and a digital camera to make a transparency to make a fake looking CIA ID.
www.americanpatrol.com...

It would have been used like the state seal on a drivers license
Since few people know what a real one looks like it would have been hard to tell it was fake.

No CIA agents make there own weapon in the US. that is done by pros at the agency.

A CIA agent also does not make his own documents they are done by the agency on real document paper with real document equipment.

Now if he never tells the cops what he was up to they will have little to charge him with.
One or two years in jail and he is free to try again.
And they may not even have his real name.

The nice thing about working alone is there are no pardners to turn states evidence.

The argument is that if he was CIA, the information would have been disappeared. But the information is not there is it? The hard drive was not read. There were not enough clues to tie hime to CIA. But if it were a false flag it should have been all over the MSM. Maybe he was CIA, but was exposed too soon to set up a false flag. So the ptb disappear just enough information, like the hard drive, to prevent a connection with them, and then could prevent the MSM from carrying the story. Obviously having the Federal Reserve as his target would be logical, since the Federal Reserve is identified as the key to the country's economic destruction. Getting the Federal Reserve depicted as a victim would be a major coup and could be used to demonize it's opponents.

Originally posted by marsoc
Trust me i know wat your saying.Obviously Im not gettin into how i know certian things or why i think this, but most people wana belive the more exciting version. I just tend to say in this case this guy is a phony from the looks of it. CIA emblem, story in the paper, etc.. Its easier and a non plausable option to higher outsiders for lots of "work". Counterfieit money and manipulating weapons are easy, plenty of crooks do this and anyone with any kind of small weapons experience or who knows the right people can modify weapons.

Hold on a minute. "Trust me" "I'm not getting into how I know certain things"? Come clean! If you know something say it. This makes you look like a disinfo agent.

Haven't read past the first page however....

it seems as though many would underestimate organised crime at first glance.

he was posing as an agent to extort money from somebody working in the reserve.

he most likely knows and is working with another person in the reserve. hes observing as if he were a real agent (may even be an ex or current operative with the array of skills) and most likely taking pictures of the person too.

my guess is he counterfeits government id's and then approaches the person in the reserve hes extorting, thats what the mosaic is for. hes obviously got somebody connected to the cia in the loop if hes able to authenticate the cia mosaic they use for the id's. the picture with bono is an on-hand example of his photoshop skills, or a practice run for a specific effect, but in any case not real.

the reserve is full of extort-able acts so this doesnt surprise me at all, and anybody who can setup a makeshift machine shop, manufacture lower receivers, and fake id's/passports/cia badges/money is definatly no "wannabe".

each one of those skills require very specific knowledge.

he more than likely obtained all of the equipment using other peoples credit and identities, launders the bills through the local "meth" market, and buys the rest of the rifle parts using the good cash (and fake id's), assembles and sells them to the more higher-up people in the local drug game.

wouldn't be surprised if he was making the meth too, that would cover all the biggies... guns/identification/drugs/money. and if he is extorting the upscale banker type he must be able to play the part, which suggests firsthand knowledge/experience.

This guy brought "audit the fed" to a whole new level!

I like the "I work with the agency" replies or "I know how operatives work" ones. There always those "in the know" whatever the thread is and however ridiculous.

I think him selling drugs on the street is the best hint so far. As some already said, you very much underestimate organized crime. Of course, that absolutely does not mean he's got nothing to do with government, on the contrary in fact.

[edit on 27/6/2010 by SassyCat]

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Perhaps he is very smart and resourceful...so smart and resourceful that he has been able to convince smarmy, overconfident coppers that he isn't.

Bono of U2 is clearly planning to overthrow the Federal Reserve as part of his master plan to monopolize his power over the World Bank. The man who has been arrested was helping him in a conspiracy to establish the "Bono Standard" by printing low denomination bills with Bono's face, thus making us the richest country in the world because we have the only Bono in existence.

Duh.

No seriously, this guy is a genius of sorts and a dangerous one at that in the eyes of law enforcement. CIA operative? Not so sure. Either way, he is quite knowledgeable compared to most and I'm sure the CIA is now crapping brick houses as they attempt to figure out how one man could maintain all of these operations single-handed.

This guy is NOT CIA or some secret agent, and anyone who thinks otherwise just wants it to be true. For God's sake, the guy couldn't even afford his electric bill! He was stealing power from the apartment complex and had a generator running. On top of that, he was bleaching dollar bills and printing $50's and $100's on them. This is NOT the behavior of a government agent on US soil, covert or otherwise. Nor would a CIA agent have a 5 foot CIA seal in their apartment if they were trying to remain undercover! Heck, I don't even think a known CIA agent would have such a thing. It's the delusional wannabees that have props like this guy. The difference here is that this guy was really good at being a scam artist and was only caught because of a fluke (the gas smell coming from his generator alarmed neighbors who called 911).

I don't know what he was doing with the binoculars aimed at the Federal Reserve. It could just be a coincidence. Maybe he keeps the binoculars there because he is paranoid about being caught and uses them to check the area and see if anyone is closing in on him. Maybe he is delusional enough to think that he is some kind of agent. Or maybe he is a crazy ATS member who thinks the Federal Reserve is evil and he was planning on investigating, exposing or possibly even attacking the Fed. The possibilities are endless with this guy. But I think the least likely possibility is that he is employed by the government. He is just your above-average con man and there are quite a few out there. If you do your research you can find stories about people similar to this guy getting busted all the time pulling scams that most of us could never even imagine or think were even possible.

And finally... if he were a government agent and he knew that the police were looking for him, the last place he would go would be to his girlfriend's house or to any family's house for that matter. The government would have stepped in and told the police to back off, or they would have relocated him somewhere else in the country, or they would have sent him to one of their safe houses somewhere and told him to lay low.

This guy is NOT a spook. He's just a thug and a con artist with above average intelligence.

Just my two cent,

Counterfeiting, Meth, Producing fake IDs, modifying and manufacturing gun parts = $$$$$$

Counterfeiting, Dealing Meth, Producing fake IDs, modifying and manufacturing gun parts = lucrative skills

He is a guy with skill sets that make him valuable to a number of people, legal or illegal.

In these tough economic times, many people are working for themselves and as contractors to a variety of clients.

He could be working for the Russian mob, other organized crime groups or any number of governmental agencies(Inside or Outside the US).

Plain and simple, he got busted with a lot of naughty items.

If he is an asset risk to whomever, he will be gone.

This story doesn't add up in so many words. For one why would he use a gas generator to produce electricity when he is bleaching bills and can just pay for the electric bill? I am interested in seeing a picture of that CIA logo. Maybe he was planning on heisting the federal reserve? It is possible he was bleaching bills and making them look real and then his plan would be to pose as an agent and convince the Federal Reserve that the bills were coming from there. Then he would go in and confiscate any bills he thought were fraudulent as well. Sounds like a nice plan to me HEIST THE FEDERAL RESERVE! But yea I doubt he was a real CIA agent. Although it is amazing how smart some people can be at scamming. And if this was his plan we probably wouldn't of heard anything he would of got away with heisting them.

reply to post by XtheMasque


I'm sure they will invite him to the next job fair they have.

CIA?? BS. He is a criminal planing something. The 5 foot CIA seal is old school.

This.

If you think a 2-bit amateur criminal is a spy you need ton get your head examined.

CIA seal: old school background for a fake id.
Fake id/passport equipment : see above
Machine shop: amateur mod to sell on black market
Encrypted computer: Free software on the net (truecrypt) that the FBI cannot break is one click away, it not some super encryption, its used by everyone and it's free.
Binoculars in a penthouse: everyone I know thats lives in an apartment has binoculars.
Drugs: His real job.
Counterfeit: Buying clothes and drinks at the bar. ( you only use poorly made bills in high traffic area where the teller does not actually look at your somewhat crummy job).


Get a grip people.


[edit on 27-6-2010 by wtfhuh]

reply to post by world_dogma


CIA job fair?!

Why didn't I get the memo? Here I am building hoverboards and no one told me a damn thing.

reply to post by seenitall


I would have to agree that many here are unaware of the sophistication of current organized crime operations. Possible knowledge of intelligence agency missions is highly possible. A few of our own agencies have trained and worked with foreign government agencies to infiltrate, influence, and control organized criminal activities. South American drug interdiction quickly comes to mind. Was/is this guy directly connected to the CIA? Some of us are speculating so because of some tile work he had done to his apartment floor. In my opinion this guy and whoever his handlers, associates, are/were, want us to believe that. Another case of shock and awe.. Albeit mild still shock and awe. As we have seen, shock and awe is usually followed by, or part of some kind of transitional operation. Intelligence agency involvement with someone selling drugs and attempting to manufacture illegal firearms?? More like organized crime allowed to grow and expand eventually leading to the average citizen asking our government to please save us. Eventually the people will be glad to have our Constitution and Bill Of Rights ignored so as to have a perceived sense of security. Save us from the cartels, save us from the homegrown terrorists. Bottom line folks, ignore the three ring circus. Focus on the facts. Our intelligence agencies have already taken and manipulate our constitutional 4th amendment rights. They allow information like this story get out so we will come here and post our feelings. Is all internet traffic monitored?? Yes. Can this information be used to monitor the success of their agenda? Yes. Whats the agenda? Ask corporate and the regulatory agencies. Sorry for the thread drift but I saw a similar operation busted in my apartment complex recently and it makes me laugh the similarities.