Mad as hell - The real face of the BP oil catastrophe

Originally posted by BlackOps719

Originally posted by Threadfall
reply to post by BlackOps719

 

For you to say such things, OP, I'm sure you don't own a car or buy plastics. I think BP is mostly responsible too, but corporate avarice is driven by consumer avarice and, therefore, in my own miniscule am responsible as well.

Now if you've never bought gasoline or petroleum based products, then you are not being a hypocrite and I'm sorry.

Sorry friend, but the blame the consumer angle just doesn't fly. Im no more responsible for this clusterf*** in the gulf than I am responsible for the Exon Valdez disaster because I drink alcohol.
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BlackOps, that is a not an accurate representation of what I said and you know it. Blaming you for the Exxon Valdez spill because you like alcohol is as absurd as blaming me for the GOM spill because I like alcohol. The fact is that our affinities for booze had nothing to with either (not including the Exxon Valdez captain ) but our affinities for oil have. I'm not a person that blames the consumer, either. All I meant to say was that it is naive for an individual to put 100% of the blame on a corporation unless said individual has completely removed themselves from the system. I don't blame myself or others like me, but unlike the OP, I at least acknowledge that I've helped feed the beast, so to speak.

If you look at this clip and feel bad for the animals and anger at
British Petroleum, then you should also feel a personal sense of
guilt and responsibility as well. If there were no demand for oil
based products from the consumer (you and me) then there
would be no man-made oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico today,
or future disasters in other locations. -cwm

unfortunately the land dwellers are next in line. with the coming hurricanes we will say good by to the plants and animals as the toxic rain brings death to all.

Regardless if you or I use products that came from oil, or whether we have the choice to use it or not, the fact remains that this disaster was entirely avoidable. BP - indeed ALL in the oil industry - are the ones solely responsible for contingency plans for just such events. And they failed miserably. 30 years ago the same tactics were tried and failed. 30 years later, the morons tried the same failed tactics.

These ignorant money hungry monsters are the only ones responsible.

We may all in one way or another be partly to blame for their existence - whether because we failed to FORCE change and stop using their poison, or because we willingly choose to do so because it's cheap - BUT we are not responsible for the methods by which these idiots manage their operations.

They should have better, FAR better, contingency plans than to sit on their hands and go "Oh lets try this... Oh that didn't work.. Umm, how about this?"

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I am sick to my stomach every time I view the live feeds. Every time I consider that this catastrophe was simply borne out of greed and cost cutting, lack of proper planning and plain and utter ignorance.

Would a doctor given the responsibility of ensuring the safety of ONE life dare just cut into the skull of the patient, with no backup plan should something catastrophic occur? No.

These clowns in the oil industry are entirely responsible for failing to act responsibly, and by god they should be dismantled and a different avenue of energy/product manufacture be sought. It is not as if we do not have options. These miscreants should be forced to pay for any costs to deliver them rather than be allowed to continue counting the dollars going into their god damned pockets.

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The music is mad world by gary jules.

Brilliant song if you actually listen to the lyrics. I have always loved it!

Pred...

reply to post by BlackOps719


seriously, this bp disaster is the icing on the cake when it comes to greed and the lack of care about the lives these companies destroy. i dont just see one side of the fence, i realize that we need the resources the oil/gas companies provide, but at what cost to obtain them? it seems ironic to have the bp disaster right after the documentary "gasland" hit the airwaves, telling of hydrolic fracture drilling contaminating massive land areas and ground water supplies in many of our states. And thats supposed to be CLEAN NATURAL GAS, just goes to show what they think of the small people in the way of a PROFIT...................................

Pretty near sighted sentiment about the oil spill being OUR fault.

It's like trying to blame us because there are drug resistant strains of pathogens because we want to be healthy. Blame us for depleted soils because we want to eat. Blame us because of overpopulation because people want to have families. Blame us for the pollution that industry causes because people want material things and the jobs that make them....

Sheesh..... You know, anyone who wants to can just give up their humanity and go running off naked into the woods to live off of the land. But good luck to you with that...

We need oil for the lifestyle that comes with being human beings at the technology level we are at today. Unfortunately, the powers that we look to in order to safeguard these lifestyles apparently turned a blind eye to the dangers of allowing a company to make guarantees they all knew they couldn't keep. It's not just BP at fault here, but also all of the government agencies that rubber stamped their permits and are now all scrambling to cover their asses when it has become obvious that they were not qualified to assess the risks OR did know the risks but enough $$ crossed palms to allow it to happen anyway.

But this isn't really anything new when it comes to the relationship between governments and big money, now is it?

So OP can you categorically say you do not own a motor vehicle or use any product that comes from petroleum based chemicals - like plastics, nylons and other synthetic materials?

Otherwise you might be speaking a bit hastily.

Like a recent poster said, if there was no demand for the oil, we wouldn't be in this situation.

Or be in a war in Iraq or Aghanistan.

reply to post by Nomad451


Your post is so very very true. We are dependant in everything we are. Who doesn't use a telephone that relies on plastic that is made with petroleum. This is our own disaster.

This vid as well as many others, makes me cry for the ocean, the wildlife and for humanity.

For all of you who are placing the blame on the OP and others, they/we have nothing to do with the blatant disregard of safety measures ignored by BP. The OP has presented a profound video and shared his thoughts and feelings and for that I thank him.

We need an alternative to oil. We need to take care of the earth and the wildlife and human beings and get rid of the people in power who don't give a damned about what is important in life.

It is a shame that it has had to come this far to open some people's eyes. I never dreamed that I would be alive to witness such cruelty and devestation. This is not how humans were meant to live.

A good question to ask is, "When is a man-made disaster NOT caused by
negligence at some level?".

When an airplane crashes and hundreds of people die, you don't see these
forums lighting up with anger at American, United, etc.. airlines for hiring
a bad pilot, or not inspecting the engines frequently enough.

There have/will be "disasters" caused by many industries. Oil, Nuclear,
Coal, Airlines, Manufacturing,...you name it.

As long as there are human owners, operators and overseers, there will
be small and large scale disasters. Since none of us are willing to give
away everything and live 100% off the land like Tarzan, we'll just have
to keep generating demand for products and services that are produced
and delivered by imperfect human beings.

We have no idea how many disasters are prevented each and every day
on this planet due to safety measures. If we did, then perhaps we'd be
more tolerant of the occasional occurrence.

The video of the oil soaked animals is bad, but it pales compared to
the human suffering that this oil catastrophe is causing. The offshore
drilling moratorium will make it even worse by several fold.
-cwm

reply to post by BlackOps719


Well said. I want prosecutions, prison time, seizure of assets, maybe worse.

I have to agree that we are all partly to blame for what is happening in the Gulf. If humanity were not so heavily dependent on oil then the "greedy" oil tycoons would lose their reason to drill deep into the Earth. We are providing them with a reason to exploit the Earth as well as each individual who uses oil-based products on a regular basis (EVERYONE).

I am not hero and I'm not alone. Many people I know are doing everything they can to conserve. The problem is we are not given enough choices. If we all had the choice to use other forms of energy yet chose oil, then we would all be to blame. We have marched, protested and begged. We get what is offered. So if you want to play the martyr and take the blame, be my guest. Stop blaming the rest of us!

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You say we are not given enough choices as though our fate rests in the hands of "Gods" who tell us what those choices are. We all have the power to make new choices or realities for ourselves. I feel as though people are simply submitting to the status quo when they say "we get what is offered". People need to take some responsibility for where humanity as lead itself.

It is very sad We really do need the help of our space brothers and sisters who have the technology to help us clear up this mess, and get all that hidden technology out in the open so we have clean energy.
Please, if anyone reading this is open minded enough to believe they ARE there, waiting to help us, check out this link, READ it and sign the petition.
In the last 48hrs there are over 4200 signatures.
Love and light to you all

Oops...sorry, forgot the link www.petitiononline.com...

I'm not very experienced on here;0



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I shed a tear for these poor animals. Sad to see what this has done, and will continue to do, i've said it before and i'll say it again, we cannot be to blame for this, what choice do we have? everything we own came to be through oil (Pretty much) but there are no alternatives, noone has taken a giant step to create a product not dependent on oil. we have no choice, when all the things we depend on to live or most anyway, is made from oil. How can we be to blame? until those in power decide to give us something else, there is no choice...and if this has not opened their eyes, (Which it will not, they are too blinded by the dollar signs replacing pupils) it will not happen. If only I had the power to snap my fingers and make it dissapear, then these creatures could continue to flourish. but alas, I do not, and neither do any of us....god help us.

reply to post by Nomad451


Are you kidding? You gotta be man. Only the SIMPLE MINDED would resort to such a biased conclusion. We are all to blame, hey? Every single product or invention which establishes a foothold to escape from our collective dependence on this filthy product is destroyed. Either by a swift purchase of plans and patents, plus a quick bribe of a few million dollars. The ceramic engine (which employs zero oil), high output steam engines, electric battery technology (battery companies are owned by various organisations and businesses which lead back to oil companies. Follow the money trail), the list goes on - in which technology is improving in leaps and bounds are being suppressed by those who stand to lose the most. There are thousands of products out there which are of major benefit to us all. If not directly, then indirectly via a cleaner environment, less pollutants, more clean jobs and the overall freedom of our species, which do not fall into the "planned obsolescence" category. Industrial hemp would save the world. And before any potentially bigoted misunderstandings about industrial hemp, do your research on the subject and see how redundant oil really is. What you know to be truth today will not necessarily be truth tomorrow.

Our dependence on oil is a choice we do not have very much power in making. The only thing which improves choice is money and power. Anything which offers a clear path from lies and deceit is HEAVILY regulated, discredited at mass by established institutions.

I think you're unaware of more than you're aware of. I don't wish to waste any more time here on this thread. There are more constructive things to be done right now. But I could not scroll past your comment without your ignorance smacking me in the face. You need more self education on thinking for yourself and not letting the established institutions sway your critical thinking, especially at a time like this.

Peace bro.
Hope you find some of your own answers soon.

reply to post by BlackOps719


I think your anger is misplaced. Do you really think any of the people you named did this on purpose or intended for this to happen? I am not saying I am not as angry as you are, but think about what you are saying.

reply to post by BlackOps719

Thank you for posting this. But, please; let's not jump on a bandwagon here ...
Where were the people of the Gulf when companies like BP moved in? Who was parading with placards 50 years ago insisting residents were selling out a drying up, dangerous industry?
I'm sorry, but, someone has to be the lone voice in the wilderness here saying, "I told you so".
The current oil spill is merely a reflection of society's insatiable appetite for crude and the perils held within.
Please stop gawking at the poor little birdies (insert "children, mammals, mothers, critters") on the PC and do something that will assist mother Earth. She needs us now more than ever.

When will people understand that nobody gives a # about those animals? People will act like theyre pissed off for a few minutes or hours ..maybe even days or months and then hop in their car and drive to the nearest BP gas station to fill up. It only bothers people when it effects them directly.

The reality is, 15 more oil spills could happen right now and people still wouldnt get off their ass to do something about it. The only people helping with this spill are either those directly effected by it or those with enough money to pay someone else to worry about it for them. It shows they care, but I dont see any of the actors or politians with a pair of gloves on.

This whole situation doesnt show how stupid BP was. It shows how pathetic humanity really is. People would rather destroy the ocean and eventually the entire #ing plannet for the almighty dollar. Thats what makes me sick to my stomach.