Police Said to Taze Grandmother

America has no law, no order and no constitution any more.

It's more and more like Iran every day. Obomination claims to be against the HR violations in Iran - yet what I observe is that Ahmadeviljad is schooling him well.

I think the biggest issue with police departments is most of them don't properly weed out bad candidates anymore like they used to; not sure if this is because of a decline in interested qualified candidates or what. The police force is no place for people who want to get their rocks off by abusing their power, which is what cases like this are portraying, and they are happening more and more everyday.


As mentioned earlier I also don't think we are getting the full story here, and I also am interested in hearing the official side of this story. That being said, if this is the way it went down, that officer should be stripped of his badge and placed in a Siberian Gulag.

wow whats sad is that both cops will get off with no reprecussions and will laugh about this later down the road. These cops were pathetic, of exceedingly low IQ, and probably a bunch of sorry pussies that couldn't control a non ambulatory 86 yearold half dead woman.

you know when the cops protect their own, are corrupt and can't be trusted anymore, and don't work for the greater good they have now put themselves in the grey area we call the second amendment. you do know the real reason the second amendment was created. to make it legally justifiable to shoot cops in these very situations. It's self defense plain and simple. go back and re read the second amendment. it's a checks and balances against corrupt authority. In the wisdom of our fore fathers they would have advocated the young man to get his gun from the closet and shoot both LEO's in self defense. thats what the second amendment was really about. ever wonder why cops don't want you to own a gun.

don't feeel bad when a LEO gets one. they probably did something karmic to deserve it. even if they, in their ubiquitus lack of IQ, arent aare they are acting wrongly.

The Law of One material says as we get closer to the "Harvest," we will see increasing numbers of people becoming very clearly polarized towards service to self or service to others.

To some degree, the act of polarization is not always the result of a conscious decision. It has more to do with being open to or predisposed towards what I call evil acts.

Notable service to self types included Hitler, Rasputin and Atilla the Hun.

The tazing of a bedridden octagenarian is universally disgusting by any standard.

I think it is a road sign for what lies ahead...the twilight zone. God help us.

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Isn't it the duty of all citizens to ensure that the authorities respect the law?

Seems like nobody is doing their duty.

not all police are bad, thats like saying every muslism is a terrorist.
many people in the world have been taking to more violent actions, sexual deviants and selling drugs to kid.
i think i may know why, but its not in our 3D universe.

Imagen an enitiy in the 7th deimenion (or another one) able to shift our thoughts and emotions, not control them but move thier actions more towards the idea.

say you heard a voice in your head saying kill them, or w.e that sounds like your own voice, so you might think its your own thought process but there is a chance that its more.

Just an idea, of course i havn't noticed anything, i am always myself, salm caring observiative

This calls to mind the youtube video of the Texas cop tasering a grandmother. It was like he was making an instruction tape How to Taser Your Grandmother. Turns out he was a taser instructor. It would be nice to know if the officers involved had had any how-to-taser-your-grandmother classes before this occurred. This happened way back in December, but we are hearing about it now because of the lawsuit. We didn't hear about it back then, who knows why.
This looks to me to be a deliberate attempt to make our lives seem cheaper to the policemen. They need to be called out on it. Is this happening all over the country? Are they training cops that it is ok to hurt or even kill the elderly? Is this to make life cheaper so they will have less trouble killing people when Nazi Germany starts?
I called the El Reno police department trying to get the whole story but no one could say anything. Why were 10 police summoned to answer a medical call. Were they having a class in How-to-taser-your-grandmother when the phone call came and they decided this was their opportunity to demonstrate on a live grandmother? Why 10 policemen? This is like Nazi Germany. Has anyone seen Shindler's list? Notice how they dragged individuals off into the middle of the street to shoot them in the head in order to get everyone else to comply. Is this what the police is telling us?
We are still a democracy (or a republic). It isn't too late to ask questions. It is time to get answers. What are they playing at?
I would really like to know the names of the cops involved in case any of them ever tried to run for any political office. A couple of names are mentioned in an earlier post.
It really looks like a demonstration. Maybe their instructor was trying to convince them that they could taser an elderly person without killing them. Or at least trying to get them more confident in their ability to taser elderly persons. If there is some homeland security unit going around instructing cops in tasering the elderly we want to know about it. People in the neighborhood need to be warned. This is like a terrorist attack. It's an attack on the most vulnerable among us. Protect your families, Demand to know when these taser pushers are invited. If this is a training opportunity for your local police it could affect someone you love and care about.

The fact that 10 officers went there on a medical call is very suspicious. This was their opportunity to taser an elderly person. That's what they went there to do. This shows a hideous criminality. If they get reprimanded at all, I hope they throw them all in jail, including the instructor, and throw away the key. But I guarantee you that any investigation will find that their actions reasonable. They won't suffer any consequences at all. I guarantee you.

I live only 10 miles away from this place. I also guarantee you that the El Reno Police Chief when he get's back on Monday will get asked a couple of questions. But feel free to call him yourself.


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Wcitizen,

I agree with you. it is societies place to keep the laws and cops in line. thats what the second amendment was ultimatly about. checks and balances.

The LEOs keep stretching how much further they can abuse their authority cause the civilians haven't done anything to stop them. why should the LEOs stop there is no deterent for their behavior.

Maybe the citizens should take a stand for decency and start making things a deterent for the LEOs. COPS you work for US. not for your station chief and whatever agenda he personally has going. you are not in the businss of covering your buddies asses, and framing people. you are servents to the citizens, now start acting like one. which means yes, you need to actually be polite to citizens and say things nicely with a please. You do not have the rights to do 50% of what you are doing. and just because some judge will clear you of wrong doing because you both serve the same masters doesn't mean you are in the clear with the civilian population. ask yourselfe why nobody cares when you guys get offed by civilians and why you guys have one of the highest suicide rate of any proffession. cause due to your pathalogical behavior nobody is willing to love you. awww sucks when humanity rejects you cause you abused them in return.

sorry but I've never had an intelligent conversation with an LEO. It almost always feels like I'm talking to a moron, or somebody who is clearly not the peer to most of humanity. ever feel like you have to dumb down to hold a conversation with most cops, not all, but most. it's almost as if they were the dumb ones from high school who were jocks or something. the conversational dynamics are just as crude when dealing with arguably a lesser intellect and or life form. bet most of them were those same limited in mental scope individuals from high school too. I bet you statitically COPS have lower IQ's than the average.

This is almost textbook for why people don't trust law enforcement any more.

I don't care how threatening her posture was, or even if she WAS weilding a knife. She was 86 years old for crying out loud. I will agree there must be more to this story, but for goodness sake, where did they get trained? Did they get trained at all or screened for psychological problems before they were issued badges and tasers?

As for the two videos posted, I am so angry right now. Where is the respect for the elderly? Because if cops have no respect for them, then I have no respect for cops, same as if they had done this to any other innocent and/or disarmable party.

I found this follow up story just a few minutes ago.

Police have admitted using a Taser to incapacitate the suicidal woman Dec. 22. Officer Duran wrote in a police report she pulled a kitchen knife from under her pillow and threatened to kill him. "I tried talking to Varner and calm her down but nothing would work," he reported.

The officer reported she took "a more aggressive posture on the bed" when other officers arrived. He reported she raised the knife above her head and said, "If you come any closer, you're getting the knife." He reported he feared she would injure someone.

NewsOK

They "claim" that she went on to threaten to kill them like she did the Japs in WW2. As well, they are using attempted suicide as the reasoning behind committing her.

I still think they are over the top with how they handled the situation. I have taken knives and guns from people standing toe to toe and its neither difficult nor easy to do, but I would think that 10 trained police officers could accomplish the task with no real threat of injury.

PIGS
Posutring of Immorality from Gluttonous Sickos


In contrast to popular beliefs of late, I have friends on the force. They are good people. They do their job well and are not these power tripping 35 year old adolesence that we see in the news. So, I never ever lump all LEOs into one pile.

Good god, how much of a threat can a feeble 86 year old pose? This sickens me to the core.. if that were one of my grandparents I'd seriously get angry.

Now I am not defending the actions of the police in this or any other tazer incident, However isn't it odd that lately we have seen more and more of these accidents happening with the police. If i was TPTB and i wanted to control the people. first thing i would do is control the media. With that i would then have my police goons out there forcing my agenda on the people. Being bullies and beating people up. However I would be covering it all up with the media.

Now in this case its either a show to let us know how far the cops will be allowed to go in the future, Or as it seems the media is covering it up as much as possible and only small papers are following it since they are more free to write what they wish.
In cases like this, though sad, It is very fortunate for the 2 civilians to have survived the ordeal. what if the bad cops would have tazered the woman and her oxygen blew up? or better yet they kill her with the tazer? the grandson would have probably attacked them. Leading to a beating and jail if not death. Now suddenly we don't have the witnesses to the death of granny. suddenly Its the officer's word against no ones. Now if the knife part was true and she was being aggressive, it doesn't mean she had to be aggressive towards the cops, it could have been towards her grandson or even herself. since she was supposedly suicidal perhaps she was threatening to kill herself so the too her out quickly.

They should have their bodies zapped multiple times for that, but the outcome could have been a lot worst and we may have never heard of it.

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I am sickened by the claims in the link you provided, and can only hope it is an embellishment, at least to some degree. But I don't hold out much hope. It just sounds so bizarre. I will be interested to hear the other side of the story.

if they did this, they should go to jail. abuse of the elderly is something that we cannot tolerate. ever.

1 Cop or 100 Cops, does an 86 year old woman really need to be tasered?............for any reason?

Just because a cop has a uniform on doesn't mean he is God. The klan had a uniform on, were they God? You better watch yourself these days around 80% of these so called cops if you plan on staying healthy. They are no different than anyone else. You have the good police, Officer Jack McLamb, and some idiot killer cops, like the ones that taz old people, so they want mess up their hair style.

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Sorry buddy but it would if the had the tasers!

How many 'dirty breech' offences you think are in court each week?
How many 'assaulting an officer' charges are genuine?

Our coppers couldnt be trusted with the stick they were allowed and theyre just itching to whack your legs with that nice wee telescopic baton as well.

Or have you forgotten the treatment that fella got at the riot in London last year? They skelped him over and he died! As well as a couple of lassies who were attacked that day.

Nnnnnnoooooooooooooooo....'our' police would never do that ! LOL

This is horrific.

The scary part for me was imagining myself in that situation. Typically, the tazers are employed on younger people not posing a threat, which in and of itself is a sad state of affairs. This however, being an old bed bound woman, is simply insane.

I imagine if I were in that situation, I would do one of two things. If I had a gun on me, I may use it, because from and common sense approach, tazing an elderly bed bound person is not less than lethal and risks death. Considering how many cops they had, I would likely have been taken down after shooting the tazing cop. The other option would have been to tackle the tazing cop.

I work with law enforcement and have been a deputy with the local sheriffs department. This situation was unnecessary and if one of the cops had been killed by a family member defending their granny, I would feel justice had been served.

Am I the only one that sees using a tazer on someone hooked up to oxygen as a bad idea in and of its explosive self?

I hope granny's hair wasn't done up.
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Personally, I'm so sickened and appalled, and enraged by this and so many other horrible stories and videos of retirees, youth, pregnant women, and unarmed men getting tazed that any candidate who puts the brakes on these instruments of torture has my vote. I would volunteer on the campaign and give actual money to do something about this.

I posted a thread about NZ beginning their roll-out of tazers recently.

Check out the article if you like.

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Any candidate could gain significant support by regulating the use of these things more humanely and with some psychological training/assistance on the scene, when needed.

I know too many psychology grads with no jobs. They could make a huge difference in lots of ways if integrated with the police.

Regardless, candidates need to prepare to make the needed changes. It's clearly necessary and overdue.

Thanks for the posting. We must not forget these people.

Ho Hum, another bad cop thread.

Why, oh, why doesn't anybody post a thread about all the good cops?

ANSWER: Because they are so very few and so very far between.