Republicans kill Senate jobless aid measure (unemployment extension)

Originally posted by rgzing
reply to post by David9176

 

How could the republicans have defeated the bill. Democrats have a super majority. I beleive it is called the media manipulating the news to continue to feed the sheep one false story after another.

It is called the closure rule (motion to limit debate on a bill) it must have 60 votes to pass,so if the Democrats have only 57 votes,Republicans 40 and Lieberman the lone Independent.
If the motion does not pass you have a Filibuster(endless debate),and thus a bill is dead in the water as far as coming to the Senate floor for a vote.

Many of these reps know they won't be around after November anyway. So they are going to vote as their bosses tell them. People need to understand, most of these reps in congress are owned by the special interest. That's why nothing ever gets done. If something gets passed, it's because it has a bunch of special interest portk attached to it. Just look at the Jobs bill. Nothing ever changes, but I think after November, it might. There is an extremely large anti-incumbant fever out there. Look for many reps, especially Dems to fall on any sword that their owners tell them to. it's over for them and they know it.

I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't even have elections in Novemeber. With the country sitting on then brink of economic chaos, as entitlements run out, it's only a matter of time before the natives get restless. This will not be a good year.

Words to the wise, start looking at the big picture, and not the daily distractions. The fun time is about to start.

Im irritated that it contained other things that had nothing to do with the payment extension. Get that crap out of there and just vote on the money extension. That is not hard to do and I find it very sneaky and incredibly annoying that they do it this way.

reply to post by VintageEnvy


Welcome to the Obama-Bush-Clinton-Bush failregime.

LOL at banner.

As if Obama is honestly that different from the long long line of fail presidents.

reply to post by wfaherty



A simple majority passes any bill so in effect the democrats can pass a bill without republicans. What your referring to is a filibuster,Yes this requires 60 votes to end debate. However the democrats didnt even bring the bill to the floor for a vote. So we have no idea if the republicans could have maintained a filibuster do we? ( i find it unlikely 3 republicans would not have voted to end debate there are several republican states with a vested interest in passing unemployment extensions ) Instead there playing politics trying to blame republicans for blocking a bill that never reached the floor come on wake up!

However the democrats didnt even bring the bill to the floor for a vote.

They can't until a vote for cloture is met. That is what the vote for cloture is, to end the debate and move on to a vote. If a vote for cloture doesn't receive 60 votes, this bill is stuck in endless debate and there is nothing the dems can do about it(aside from bring it as a stand alone, which should have been done months ago).

I blame both sides.

However sometimes the incredible ignorance of the political process coupled with the arrogance of people thinking they know what the hell is going on is appalling.

[edit on 26-6-2010 by djzombie]

reply to post by djzombie


A vote of closure is to bring debate to an end if there is a filibuster. They didnt even put the bill on the floor because they feared a filibuster would occur. The democrats have the votes to pass what ever they want. so basically your wrong you dont have to have a vote to vote on a bill you realize that makes no sense right.

What they can vote on is to end debate in case someone is attempting to filibuster. But this cant happen unless you bring the bill to the floor in the first place which the dems did not do. So who is to say how many votes they needed could have been simple majority.But i can tell you to blame someone for blocking it when you didnt even bring it to the floor is lying.

reply to post by Guidance.Is.Internal

Ask other countries who do it? Quite a few in Europe do. I'm not sure how the people there feel about it. That could be an interesting thread.

A vote of closure is to bring debate to an end if there is a filibuster. They didnt even put the bill on the floor because they feared a filibuster would occur. The democrats have the votes to pass what ever they want. so basically your wrong you dont have to have a vote to vote on a bill you realize that makes no sense right. What they can vote on is to end debate in case someone is attempting to filibuster. But this cant happen unless you bring the bill to the floor in the first place which the dems did not do. So who is to say how many votes they needed could have been simple majority.But i can tell you to blame someone for blocking it when you didnt even bring it to the floor is lying.

They have been trying to get a vote for cloture passed on this bill for the better part of two months, that requires 60, until it passes cloture they can do nothing else. After cloture, they only need a simple majority to pass, 51, which they have had at every cloture vote.

As I said, i blame both sides. To say they haven't brought this bill to the floor for a vote is simply wrong, as they've brought it the floor for cloture at least 3 times since I've been following its progress. The republicans have filibustered every single time.

Cloture vote is a vote to end debate, they are one in the same.

[edit on 26-6-2010 by djzombie]

We can't keep paying unemployment benefits forever,I agree with the Republicans stopping it on this basis.

Would the problem just switch the problem over from unemployment to welfare though?

We might start seeing people do things like get divorces on paper to become single parents to qualify for welfare if we don't keep pay unemployment until the worst is over.

Are they really weighing the pros and cons? Or are they going by some principle that has little to do with the reality or gravity of the situation?

reply to post by ofhumandescent


It's not going to hurt the Republicans,they'll win one if not both Houses of Congress this November. I think Barry is going to be a one term President,a 21st Century Jimmy Carter.

hey those government jobless figures will look allot nicer now once these million people get dumped from the unemployment system.. as you may or may not know, there jobless fugures don't include the jobless that aren't drawing unemployment.. or those working part time etc..

The government figures are very far of from reality ..

reply to post by ugie1028


I hope You can find a job soon,God Bless. I'm lucky to still have a job,I work in Retail and We're pretty much down to part time with very slow business. It's a good thing that My Wife makes a lot more than I do!

reply to post by Trudge


Sadly,I think it's been that way really since at least the late 1800s.

Originally posted by rgzing
reply to post by David9176

 

How could the republicans have defeated the bill. Democrats have a super majority. I beleive it is called the media manipulating the news to continue to feed the sheep one false story after another.

Before you post...Confirm your *snip*

I cannot believe you got stars for posting blatent bs.

the democrats do not have a "super majority"...Scot Brown was elected in February.

on June 25th the vote was 57 to 41 to pass the bill, with every republican voting against it.

the dems needed 59 votes to pass it.

it was a filibuster!!!

crazy ATS propaganda when simple rules of the senate are claimed to be mainstream media bias!!!!!
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[edit on Tue Jun 29 2010 by DontTreadOnMe]

I agree with the Republicans on this decision for three reasons:

1. The added pork was unnecessary and should not be passed
2. Those who are unemployed should not be able to receive government help forever. There has to be a time when enough is enough.
3. I would believe in the sincerity of Democrats to pass this extension if it wasn't for the fact that they support Obama's moratorium on oil drilling, which is now sending US jobs elsewhere - Following Moratorium, Gulf Oil Rigs Moving To Brazil

There is also this, from the Washington Examiner -
Study shows 522,000 jobs lost by 2015 due to Kerry_Lieberman's cap-and-trade bill

Please stop for one moment and understand that the greater good overcomes the shortsided self centered aspect of the situation.

I personally, am sorry you are unemployed; however, standing there and pointing a finger is a bit absurd.

Republicans and Democrats are equal, sorry thats not a news flash here on ATS. I do give them some blame, but not even most of the blame. You want somebody to blame? BLAME YOURSELF!

When was the last time you flipped over the product you intend to buy and ensure it says "Made in USA" ? honestly answer that? I refuse to buy china, prc, taiwan. I will support other nations on a case by case bases.

Not only have our politicians sold the floor out from under our grandchildren and ourselves, but the majority of people shopping at that lovely 24 hour wal-mart have done the same, and every single American citizen on this board are guilty of this.

its called responsibility, so stop crying and pointing fingers. Did your bananas fly in from South America? Why did you not op't to buy the Californian raised Avocados instead of the Mexican raised?

Just stop acting like your innocent, the problem is people won't take responsibility, and with responsibility comes accepting many decades of selling your own country out without realising it. Well it sucks, it happened, now you, me, and my deeply indebt child (though shes 15 months old) as well as every other American are up to our elbows in debt. Figure it out and stop looking for scapegoats. Dont like politicians? Dont support them, Don't vote them in, stop blaming one side or another they are the same, and you helped them. Accept responsibility and do something about it or quiet down.