MA elementary school distributing condoms to students

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by Blender Ace

 

It's not about having sex at 12 or 13, it's about not having sex at 4 or 5.

Kids can't have sex at 4 or 5. Try as they might it's not going to happen. They can be exploited, but again I don't think making condoms available to all students is going to lead to molestation by an adult. I just don't see how you're making these connections.

Furthermore, kids don't learn about biology in Kindergarten, just as they don't learn about trigonometry either.

I learned about biology in kindergarten. I remember learning about the parts of the body and major organs and such. To suggest that kindergartners are going to learn about sex with as much complexity as high school students is a bit of an overreaction I think.

Also, teaching your kids about biology and sending them home with a condom is two completely different things, especially when those kids are 5.

I agree, those are two different things...one of which isn't happening anyway. Condoms aren't being placed into their tiny hands. Condoms are being made available to all students upon request. Make the distinction.

When children are 5, they shouldn't be given any kind of signals that sex is okay.

Sex...isn't...okay? I assume you meant they should be taught that sex isn't appropriate for their age. Please tell me that's what you meant. Regardless, no one in school is telling these kids to "have sex". Even in middle school and high school the message isn't "have sex". The message is this is what sex is.

Teaching them about sex and sending them home with the tools to practice their newfound knowledge

That's not what's happening.

Also, it shouldn't be up to the school to decide when your child learns about sex.

I disagree of course. I don't see the biology of sex as something that needs to be hidden away. And as I understand it the schools aren't teaching kindergartners about sex. They are simply making condoms available to students.

reply to post by SpectreDC


I'm not saying to ignore it, not at all. What I'm saying is that with a 5 year old, you teach them that they shouldn't be having it and if anyone approaches them about it or tries it on them, to run and tell an adult as quickly as possible. Remember, at that age if they are having sex, it's molestation, even if by peers. So, your constantly telling them no and that kids their age don't have sex and then you get their trusted teacher who is willing to give them a condom "just in case". This basically contradicts what you have been teaching them. Sure, as they get older and their minds become a little more capable, you can explain it better, but at 5, the only thing they really should know is that it's not appropriate and anyone telling them otherwise is bad for them (molestation). It is absurd to give a five year old a condom "just in case". That's crazy. Again, I'm not saying to ignore it, but you have to teach your kids how to handle if someone tries to molest them and at 5, any sexual attempt is a molestation attempt.

--airspoon

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by SpectreDC

 

any sexual attempt is a molestation attempt.

You know, I don't condone little kids having sex even if it is with one another but I just have to ask...

If a 16 year old took a naked picture of herself, would you say she's guilty of producing, distributing and possessing child pornography?

And I understand where you're coming from, I just think your concerns are reaching a little too high for what is being done. If your kids is aware of what a condom and god forbid, "needs" one, the last thing that should be on your mind is their access to a condom.

Everyone should have sex!! It feeeeeeeeeeels so good. Stop denying these children their rights... I thought you all were freedom fighters on this site.



/obvious sarcasm

[edit on 6/24/2010 by mnmcandiez]

I did not read all the responses so this might of been said before. So ages 4 to 9 are to young to even think about sex, if they do it's the parents responsibility to watch what the kids do, and since most are to busy, they don't, then its the schools job to improvise. Since they are not handing condoms out like candy, its no big deal, and if some ask for condoms, well then you know who to educate on sex and all that. When I was in school there were kids that were talking and barging about having sex, some were young 13 and up if my memory serves me right so it's not like finding young kids who are sexually active for whatever reasons is like finding a unicorn, they exist. The school has to at least take precautions. If your kid is not sexually active at a young age thats good and all but kids follow the cool trends, I think they should start to be educated at age 10 in basics then from there on to the rest of this sexual thing that they will experience biologically, nature and culturally tv, fashion and the coolness aspect, kids are even more impressionable then adults, literally monkey see monkey do so make sure they see more things that don't have to do with sex then things that have to do with sex when really young 5 to 9 or whatever. And all the school can do is tell them sex is not ok, but what else can they do besides frown upon it and improvise if it does happen, the rest is pretty much out of there hands, what the kids do when together and not supervised, what does one expect when everywhere there is sexual references.

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by SpectreDC

 

any sexual attempt is a molestation attempt.

You know, I don't condone little kids having sex even if it is with one another but I just have to ask...

If a 16 year old took a naked picture of herself, would you say she's guilty of producing, distributing and possessing child pornography?

And I understand where you're coming from, I just think your concerns are reaching a little too high for what is being done. If your kids is aware of what a condom and god forbid, "needs" one, the last thing that should be on your mind is their access to a condom.

If a 16 took a picture of herself naked and distributed it, no I wouldn't consider her to be a criminal of any sort. That has nothing to do with whether a pre-adolescent is molested. A 5 year old and a 16 year old are completely different, to include the mind-set. If you research the topic, you would find that it is considered molestation for a pre-adolescent to be fondled, even when it's done by a peer. This doesn't mean that the child doing the fondling is a criminal, it just means that the child was molested as s/he is incapable of giving consent. This child will most likely grow up with major psychological problems due to the "molestation". If a child in your home is being molested, even by a peer, the state can and most likely will remove the child from your home (that doesn't mean that I agree with the state taking such a move, only that this is how seriously they take it). A 5 year old, unlike a 16 year old or even a 12 year old, is completely incapable of giving consent in any meaningful way.

--airspoon


Edited to add: If a 5 year old is aware of a condom and god forbid needs one, then you have some serious problems and a condom should be your last concern.

[edit on 24-6-2010 by airspoon]

This is excellent!

the last thing this country needs is pregnant elementary school kids!

I didn't read all the posts yet but I will say that my mom's a teacher and had a sixth grader who was pregnant, and if schools had been handing out condoms sooner, maybe it wouldn't have come to that. Which isn't me saying much about it one way or another - just speculation.

reply to post by airspoon


Proper education is necessary and not just handing out condoms. To be honest kids these days are getting more and more sexual active these days from younger age and that's one truth you cannot hide from no matter where you stand on this issue. It's way better than abstinence education. But each to his own.

Originally posted by SpectreDC
Originally posted by airspoon
And speaking about logic, again lets look at the logic of the situation. In order to ask for a condom, they need to know what a condom is. If they know what a condom is, and they're FIVE YEARS OLD....well, I think there should be action taken by the parent to make sure their curiosity doesn't harm them by taking control of curiosity.

Actually no, Parents won't be informed if any kids request a condom

Parents will not be informed if their kids request condoms.

Officials say that there's no set age when sexual activity starts and students who ask for condoms will also receive counseling and information on abstinence.
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Debate over the decision focused not on whether condoms should be available, but whether the policy was too restrictive for students, particularly those in high school.

source: abcnews.go.com...

[edit on 24-6-2010 by Crimson_King]

This is pretty disgusting, but unfortunately not a surprise. At least your teachers aren't asking that Pre-K children be allowed to "express and explore their sexuality" with each other like one idiotic kindergarten school was doing in Oslo, Norway.

But look on the bright side, most of these kids (hopefully) doesn't know what these things are. They're probably thinking: "Awesome, free balloons!".

You'd be surprised how young some people have sex.

I don't think its right, but kids don't understand what they are doing at that age, so if they have access to condoms its for the better.

Trying to prevent them from having sex is a never ending, never winnable battle, and all the governments can really do is try to make it safer, rather than attempt to eradicate it.

[edit on 24-6-2010 by Concept X]

So they are not handing them out, they only offer them when the child asks.
I'd rather have a sexually active 6th grader ask for a condom and get one, than have them get turned down and punished for trying to be safe.

I was sexually active in since 5th grade, and used condoms from 6th grade. I think this may not be a bad idea.

Oh and I pretty much did know "what I was doing"

[edit on 24-6-2010 by GeminiSky]

I can't believe that elementary students are included. I guess in a perfect world we would all make wise decisions regarding this and hope this post goes throught bc it is my first post on ats hey everyonereply to post by Blanca Rose

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


Exactly! This whole thing is just plain wrong. And they make it all sound like the parents were all irresponsible or neglecting parents while they (the school) are always in control and aware of what the kids are doing... please!

I do understand that some parents do indeed suck, neglect and fail to develop a real relation with their kids but I really don't think it's up to the school to intervene by-passing the parents authority when it comes to this subject.

Sexual education is fine and I'm for it for teenagers 14+, below that I don't see a place or reason for it. Unless of course things are already way screwed and the whole plan is to wipe out this whole concept of children for once and for all and transform 4 years old into sexually active individuals.

Where the hell are going?

this was posted like 2 days ago if my brain is still keeping memories in the right way

It's, purposefully, disingenuous to say "MA school distributing condoms to students." Saying it that way makes it sound like students are handed condoms with their school lunches.

There are many problems with this policy. But here is one that many might not have thought about ... Who wants to bet that this is part of a gradual process to open up the way for legalized pedophilia? If you can get young boys to wear condoms then you are essentially telling them sex is okay and you don't need responsibility. Kids don't think about AOC laws, and many adults don't either. The people in the news are those who "got caught" and doesn't represent the huge numbers who don't.

This policy is DANGEROUS. It will cause much, much, much more harm than good.

Sad, sad, sad.

reply to post by airspoon


If the school thinks that these little kids are really going to ask for condoms, they're crazy. They don't want their parents to know about them having sex, and if they asked the schools for condoms, then their parents are going to find out. They'll just find an alternative way to get them.
But this creates a bigger problem. If the schools start giving out condoms, then these kids can just assume that sex is okay at their age. I live in Massachusettes, and if my mom found out they were giving condoms to elementary kids, she would be infuriated, and I believe parents in the Cape are feeling the same . . .