Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

The artists who really consider it piracy are the 1% of gigantic musicians. They feel threatened because they made so much money on album sales they don't understand the business model has changed.

The vast majority of independent artists encourage You to download their albums. They figure at least the music is getting out there and You are more likely to go to shows.

On a side note:

If the industry really wanted to stop piracy in music they would stop releasing music digitally. Its too easy to transfer files between computers and players.

I only buy records in vinyl. Sure people would still copy and transfer the files but it wouldn't be how it was intended to sound. The person would have to manually edit all the songs, the levels would be inconsistent, the sound quality would be dependent on the equipment etc. You get the idea...

reply to post by jdills1196


Never heard of it before. I used to sub Rhapsody and that was pretty good. I'll check it out though, thanks.

What a joke, seriously? That wont happen, sorry but there is no way they will charge you for a crime you didnt do, there is probably another provision in there that we are not seeing that gets them around a different law, with a different agenda. We just need to submit!

reply to post by an0maly33


if you want a free trial (1 month)

Use this:
vip.grooveshark.com...

I'm using it right now.. I love it. They also offer an ad supported web based free version.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I have actually pondered those points. I am in the process of developing my own software. I have wondered what measures, if any, I would put in place to thwart piracy. It's my belief that people that pay for software will always do so. People that pirate will always do so. It's those on the fence you need to grab. DRM and high prices are usually what push those people to piracy. If they just want it for free then there's nothing you can do about it. We are at a point now where commercial software is so entwined with DRM that it actually inhibits the ability to use the product for paying customers. Think they're going to pay next time or pirate?

Why not first tackle the Catastrophic destruction the oil is causing in the gulf coast ?? Safety first!

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He gets paid too much to care.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Well, people who pirate 10 songs, and later buy the CD have been sued for like 100's of thousands of dollars. Also under these new laws, if you break DRM on something it'd be illegal. I guess it should be the public's decision.

They try to say piracy is so bad, but maybe they should find the real reason why people resort to piracy.

I'm a gamer so I'm speaking on this and this only. Most gamers I hear from complain about the DRM, infact there is DRM that makes it harder for gamers to play than pirates.

One example I like to mention is this.

There have been developers lately running pay what you want sales on their games. You can pay as little as a penny(.01-.32 or so yields them no money but they let it happen anyway) Even though the minimum was 1 cent the average paid between everyone was a decent amount. Honestly though, the game and entertainment industry is doing just fine. It's bringing in record profits.

However you have greedy CEOs who want a piece of the pirater pie even though most pirates won't buy that stuff anyway. So they count it as a loss against their sales, when their sales are stronger than ever.

[edit on 24-6-2010 by Judohawk]

I don't even recognize this government.

So I don't even know what any of your are talking about.

I do what I want. I don't harm anyone else's liberties.

Don't like it?

Try and stop me.

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Yeah I bought a pack a while back for $5 bucks... I need to go back and redownload all that :/ THANKS FOR REMINDING ME!

Originally posted by an0maly33
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

I have actually pondered those points. I am in the process of developing my own software. I have wondered what measures, if any, I would put in place to thwart piracy. It's my belief that people that pay for software will always do so. People that pirate will always do so. It's those on the fence you need to grab. DRM and high prices are usually what push those people to piracy. If they just want it for free then there's nothing you can do about it. We are at a point now where commercial software is so entwined with DRM that it actually inhibits the ability to use the product for paying customers. Think they're going to pay next time or pirate?

Don't put copy protection on it.

If you do, I will never even PIRATE your stuff. I will boycott it.

See, I am SICK of buying a brand new software disk, then having my DVD drives not even recognize it because of protection.

Then I have to spend 2 hours cracking the damn thing I paid for with real money!

Yes, between 1998 and 2010 I have bought over 500 games, this is a MASSIVE amount of profits.

And since around 2004-5, I have been FORCED to pirate my OWN software in order to get it to even WORK on my computer.

So I have been boycotting anyone who uses this absurd BS copy protection.

IT will NEVER stop piracy. It only stops ME the paying customer, from actually using the software I paid for!

I have been FORCED into piracy of my own property which I own. My DVD drives just simply get rejected all the time by this crap.

Oh crap double post.

Lag?

[edit on 24-6-2010 by muzzleflash]

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Hear hear!

Tell it like it is to the 'oooh...piracy is theft boy, so upset that he nearly didn't come back here?! What, the power of a whinge was too strong a lure eh?

Give us a break.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I agree Muz,

I shudder to think of the amount of money i have spent on movies and games since the 90's.

Certainly much more than the products were worth, that is for absolute certain.

The entertainment industry has done very nicely out of me over the years, i figure they owe me the odd film or game, here and there for the amount of times i've paid a lot of money and received total rubbish from them.

And while i'm ranting, perhaps if the 'entertainment' industry's media prices reflected the true cost of production together with a healthy profit margin, people wouldn't bother to pirate anything.

A typical mass produced game (any platform) costs peanuts per unit to the producer/manufacturer, even factoring in distribution and advertising.

If the price of production cost a hypothetical $5/£3/4Euro, and the retail price was max $25/£15/18Euro, virtually NO piracy would exist. There simply wouldn't be a need. I recon 3-500% profit is a healthy enough margin, but because of their greed, the majority of people with average means, will at some point engage in either piracy, or be in receipt of pirated media.

It's their own fault, they're too greedy. As usual.


[edit on 24/6/2010 by spikey]

Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I agree Muz,

I shudder to think of the amount of money i have spent on movies and games since the 90's.

Certainly much more than the products were worth, that is for absolute certain.

The entertainment industry has done very nicely out of me over the years, i figure they owe me the odd film or game, here and there for the amount of times i've paid a lot of money and received total rubbish from them.

Yeah seriously man!

I cannot count the times I bought a game that was so buggy and undeveloped it just DID NOT WORK AT ALL!
On Anyones system!

And then they don't even release working patches or anything.

It's outright theft through LIES. The LIE = Them claiming to sell me a working product when TO THIS DAY it is not workable in any way.

IMO They are the TRUE pirates. I am merely a paying customer being robbed outright.

It's a sad day in America when there's a NATIONAL/WORLDWIDE crisis happening in the Gulf and politicians are STILL worrying about things like piracy.

I'm not for or against this issue... Why? Because RIGHT NOW, this shouldn't even BE a @#$@##@ issue!

That would be akin to my father being sick and dying of cancer, and instead of sitting by his bed trying to help him, I'm outside getting mad because a bird pooped on my car!

WHEN WILL THE UNITED STATES WAKE UP!

reply to post by muzzleflash


Definitely a shared thought process here Muz! Sounds like very similar experiences too, and that's on both sides of the pond, so that tells you it's rife everywhere and pretty typical.

I would elaborate a bit more, but you summed it up much better than i would of.

What are they honestly going to do?
For ISP to spy on them.
Or are they going to use programs on our computer with out our knowledge.
I think its a bad idea.
The Cyber world is the most powerful invisible piece of land there is.
Normal rules do not apply.
And I think that is what people often forget.
The Gov is good at war, with guns.
But I mean, the hackers of nowadays who are very much powered by the massive piracy rings. These people have power.
I mean 10 years ago some guy hacked into nasa.
I think there would be a massive push over.
They would honestly be charging people in just about every house hold... HMMM Kinda like another substance that they try to arrest us for... *cough*DRUGS*cough* Its going to be the same thing.
Why, you might ask?
Everyone's doing it.
I can honestly say as a 21 year old male, I dont know ONE, not even ONE!!!! person who buys music online.
I have a few friends that buy cd's and hey I my self might buy one a year.
Remember the cyber world also has that really ugly world...
to relate it to the drugs.
Music is like pot...Lots of people enjoy it, some not so much...
They are nice and like to chat about their heros.
Video games.. Well those are the guys tripping out complaining of bats in the sky and some hallucinogenic they did prior.Which would explain why they are so distant.
and of course they too enjoy music just like the music guys.
And then you have the big NASTY.
The porn industry.Now there is alot of music on the internet but not as much as their is porn.
The thing is people have this desire for the product now.
Anyways I am ranting here.
In the end, I think they could potentially screw themselves.
And as everyone always says.
How the in the hell is one of those CD's seriously worth 30+ dollars?
If artists gave up a little bit of dough and dropped the record companies.
Maybe we wouldn't even care to download.
10 bucks, hey why not...if I like you that is.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I agree Muz,

I shudder to think of the amount of money i have spent on movies and games since the 90's.

Certainly much more than the products were worth, that is for absolute certain.

The entertainment industry has done very nicely out of me over the years, i figure they owe me the odd film or game, here and there for the amount of times i've paid a lot of money and received total rubbish from them.

Yeah seriously man!

I cannot count the times I bought a game that was so buggy and undeveloped it just DID NOT WORK AT ALL!
On Anyones system!

And then they don't even release working patches or anything.

It's outright theft through LIES. The LIE = Them claiming to sell me a working product when TO THIS DAY it is not workable in any way.

IMO They are the TRUE pirates. I am merely a paying customer being robbed outright.

We get sold on the glitz and glamour of the advertising. A cruddy movie can be marketed to look like it's a sure-fire Oscar winner.

It's much akin with a candidate's campaign(Speaking of piracy and pre-crime). I'd be all for a law that made a crime out of politicians making false promises in order to get votes. After the said-candidate gets elected they will no longer be able to say "oh that was just campaign rhetoric".