Revelation; The Seven Churches (have been warned-pt1)

well, 5 churches were warned
God was pleased with Philadelphia and Symrna

Originally posted by pasttheclouds
God is everything, because he created everything from within him,

The classic theological understanding of Creation is that God created "EX NIHILO"- i.e. "out of nothing". That is the only understanding that is compatible with the Biblical statements.

Running all the way through the Bible, in almost every line of the Bible, there is the distinction between what is God and what is not-God. That distinction is absolutely fundamental to the Bible.

You can present your "God is everything" as a philosophy.
What you cannot do is present it as Biblical teaching, and as long as you try to present it as Biblical teaching, that presentation will be challenged.



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will this do ?


“I am the LORD; and there is none else” Isaiah 45,22

Hear, Israel: the Lord is our God; God is one: Deuteronomy 6:4

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. Deuteronomy 6:4-5

Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me." Isaiah 46:9

Within Christ the entire physical manifestation of God is embodied. Col 2:9
God is one Deut 6:4

the trinity is a christian invention when it divides god,
god is more then three, still he is both way(the spirit of truth and revelation), son (created) as father(non created),
he is three yes, but not as a in 3 divided god.


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see my previous post before.

Originally posted by xstealth
well, 5 churches were warned
God was pleased with Philadelphia and Symrna

a) I meant the seven churches as a group.
b) If you read the OP, you will see that I was referring to the "warning" about the danger of persecution.

Was it on one of my other threads that you criticised on the basis of the title without bothering to read the text?

Edit] Yes, it was. It was "666".

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god can create out of nothing when he creates from himself, but god is eternal the same,
so nothing can not exist in him, because everything allready is.
god never created god, still created himself through us, what was created always exists or god is not all,
an if he is not all and the same every reference outside of him changes his being by the contrast it shapes. Truth can not be divided.


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"You shall have no other gods but me"- you cannot get away from that.
And you are part of the sustained campaign of this world to draw people away into "other gods".

There is a fundamental distinction in the Bible between God and evil- you cannot get away from that. If you try to obliterate that distinction, then you are trying to draw people towards evil.

now you are judging something you dont understand yet.
Jesus became one with god, but still you use the older law
to judge what im saying, meaning in that sense you condemn your own god, which is a false god because in your view jesus is divided from god himself,
which is impossible where god is one, even when he is divided.
dualism works in 2 directions, and there is no father without a son, but no son without a father, and they have to work as one, to allow god to be only good, and still having evil and good in him, there is only truth, still lies are included in the truth. this is the paradox, and the diretc reason why humanity exsists. To let God be everything without being everything.
I am not driving people towards evil, in every post i talk the law of god and oneness, the problem is when miracles will happen soon, people that are not prepared will be so afraid they will allow evil to come up after the first phase of hope. The ones who defend Jesus in dogma will possibly forget his law when they are not prepared to always remember that law. Evil does not exsist, incapacity does, and ignorance does. Ignorance is another word for evil, because it looks like peace, but it never stopped the evil it was obliged to stop, so it could repent. From left to right.


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That does quite nicely, thank you.

As you quoted, Mark 12:29

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

Which was a direct quote from the old testament (Deuteronomy 6:4)

Despite the trinity, we'll agree that the christian God still fits the description of a MONOtheistic entity.

Which of course means He can't be buddha, allah, or anyone else.

Despite us thinking so, we do not create God. We create our own gods sometimes, but not the Most High.

allah is another name for the same god,
god in the quran has all the names,
and one of them is truth, which is the same as yours.
why do you think the quran antichrist has one eye ?
because his other one is closed to see the duality of things.
symbolism.
buddha is another name for christ meaning manifestation of god,
or annointed or final seal of the prophet as described in the quran.

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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
the problem is when miracles will happen soon, people that are not prepared will be so afraid they will allow evil to come up after the first phase of hope. Even the ones who defend Jesus will forget his law when they are not prepared.

We have already been prepared for false teachers to come along bringing "signs"
It was mentioned in the passage which I quoted from Deuteronomy, and it was mentioned in Matthew ch24 and it was mentioned in Revelation ch13, when the actions of the Beast, the antichrist, are being described..
In all these cases, the warning was that we should take no notice of them.

I'm grateful to you for alerting me to the fact that you represent such a false teacher who may be bringing deceptive "signs"

Originally posted by DISRAELI
There would be a parallel to the menace of "Satan's throne", in the sense of experiencing hostility from the centres of power.
The later chapters of Revelation describe the rise of a great persecuting power, "the Beast", leading to a "war on the saints" which involves the suffering and death of faithful believers (e.g. ch13 v15).

Amen... The believers fortunatley only have to face 1 death, the non believers must die twice. DISRAELI Your doing a great job bringing clearity to these text, thanks. When I would read Revelations i would get a little confused when reading these parts. Took me about five times to read Revelations befor I began to get a better understanding..

Originally posted by DISRAELI
We must consider the possibility that there would also be a parallel to "the slanders of the Jews", in the sense of experiencing hostility from former co-religionists.
Later passages in Revelation suggest that a substantial portion of the Christian community would be willing to compromise their faith and to accept the claims of "the Beast".

This, helps 1 to understand why so many that CLAIM to be followers of CHRIST THE LAMB, dont seem to behave as they are. But hide in the mist as religious FAKE FOLLOWERS/leaders/dictators.... And when it comes down to sacrifice via (ALLOWING OUR BLOOD TO BE SHED IN THE NAME OF THE LAMB AS HE DID FOR US). Their true selve will curr like a frightened dogs running with their tails between their legs straight to the side of the EVIL 1 BECAUSE IT APPEARS CONVENIENT to live as fearfull slaves then to die for CHRIST. Why at the same time true followers will be safe in heaven viewing what the ignorant evil 1z are about to experience...Encouragment!!!! either way death will be upon all either you die for the lamb or die when he tears this place apart and then you gotta die again..SAD

Originally posted by DISRAELI
How should faithful believers be conducting themselves in the face of these dangers?

Many should pay close attention to prevent extreme suffering!!!

Originally posted by DISRAELI
There is very clear advice in these letters, which centres upon the words "patience" and endurance". The churches are praised because "you have kept my word and have not denied my name" (ch3 v8), because "you hold fast my name and you did not deny my faith" (ch2 v13).
They are urged to resist the temptation to compromise, to be faithful, if necessary, "even unto death".

The key instruction, perhaps, which makes the endurance possible, is-
DO NOT FEAR (ch2 v10).

FEARLESS... again DISRAELI great job, this intelligence strengthens the soul and prepares it for ANYTHING IN OUR WAY!

Originally posted by DISRAELI
These chapters are written to give them a warning, but also to give them an assurance, that the promises offerred at the end of these letters are available to "those who conquer".

WHICH IS ETERNAL LIFE WITH PERFECTION... GOD BLESS ALL MEN AMEN

As you can tell DISRAELI, I loves this thread it is very informative my friend...

Originally posted by pasttheclouds

buddha is another name for christ meaning manifestation of god,
or annointed or final seal of the prophet as described in the quran.

As I said, you are trying to lead people towards "other gods", which is in conflict with the first commandment.
So, if the Bible is true, your teaching must be false.
I accidentally typed "your teacher must be false", but I now realise I was right the first time.


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im gratefull for the fact that because of my "false teachings" as you think they are, it will help you to remember the focus on god as one as love and the things i said, when they pass, that because of ur doubts u will restrain even when , which is the way. there will come a prophet and prophets not to bring absolute wisdom but to bring hope while they will be judged by the fears of the world, people who will not have doubts in their hearts first can not choose the answer when they meet it.
i care about all, but i know my words can not change outside his will.
the new prophets will not be like before, they will be young of heart and open of mind.
thats why daniel wrote "he will not regard the god of his forefathers", because of their more complete understanding of god as one as love.


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Thank you for your comments.
This was an older thread, but the fact that someone was being controversial seems to have been instrumental in bringing it to your attention.
So good can come about in some very unexpected ways.



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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
the new prophets will not be like before, they will be young of heart and open of mind.
thats why daniel wrote "he will not regard the god of his forefathers",

Daniel made this comment about a great evil king, who would be the ultimate enemy of God..
I think this proves my point about where your teaching is aligned

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thats the dogma that shapes the dellussion that was promised yes.
New age thinks the new promised ones will be accepted, when in reality
they work double, one part will bring hope, but to the others they will allow their fears to come out. Double edged swords. Michael the prince, all those that will live to complete the law so that by the rejection they will take on them, they will allow everyone to come home if they wish by their regrets or reflections, so that we all can live in love once, after the storm passes by after the hope they shined out for a time allowed a time of preparation.




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Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13

Originally posted by DISRAELI
These chapters are written to give them a warning, but also to give them an assurance, that the promises offerred at the end of these letters are available to "those who conquer".

WHICH IS ETERNAL LIFE WITH PERFECTION... GOD BLESS ALL MEN AMEN

Yes, exactly, and I really must do a specific thread on those promises a little further down the line. It isn't just about warnings.
Let me see- some point in September, I think.

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I did keep that promise to do a thread on the promises, and I now attach a link accordingly;

The seven churches have been promised

Originally posted by pasttheclouds
they work double, one part will bring hope, but to the others they will allow their fears to come out. Double edged swords. Michael the prince, all those that will live to complete the law so that by the rejection they will take on them, they will allow everyone to come home if they wish by their regrets or reflections, so that we all can live in love once, after the storm passes by after the hope they shined out for a time allowed a time of preparation.

Malachi says that the Day of the Lord will be a day when the arrogant and the evildoers will be burnt up;
"But for those who fear my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings"- Malachi ch4 vv1-2
As far as I can tell, this seems to be what you are getting at.