ALERT - is lava now on the sea floor in the Gulf?

That isn't lava. You'd know if it was lava. it would be moving cracking and popping.

and it would be moving.

Sulfur is yellow like that.
Couldn't that just be some sulfur forming there?

I don't have much to add....just that and a reminder that the moon is getting full, that affects depths.

[edit on 21-6-2010 by hadriana]

That ROV is getting really busy now.

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I recommend having a watch.

Quite a perspective...

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Originally posted by Recouper
I just saw some activity on Skandi ROV2. The ROV seemed to manipulate a fitting on the end a of a line which you can see it holding on to with its right manipulator in the below picture. There was a lot of white substance coming out of the fitting and after that it just allowed it to rest on the the sea floor while still holding on to it.
In the below image you can also see the rusty bar and concrete block that Spy66 was referring to earlier. The ROV's left manipulator is holding on to it.
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Also, right now, the ROV is currently roving...

What you see here is one of the arms grabbing the handle to the anker. The handle is at the end of the wire. Its in a shape of a triangle.

Earlier the ROV went for a spin, and came back to the same anker. It first grabbed on to the rusted bar, when it did that you could see the whole anker move. Than it grabbed the handle at the end of the wire. You can see it is attached to the anker as well.

This is a pre installed anker. I dont know how many times i have to tell you people this before you get it.


PS. i am not shouting at you Recouper. You have at least read my posts. Thanks

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

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I possibly should have clarified my position... or my opinion...

Basically, I'm convinced there is no lava anywhere in the vicinity. What convinced me of that most is that if there were lava at the surface that close to the leak the whole area would be breaking apart and changing very dynamically. Also, I would expect all vessels above to have left the area long ago and there would be no rovers hanging around.
I'm no expert, it's only my opinion. I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised.

The theories about methane levels raising, effervescing and causing a massive disaster are worrisome to me. I can see the logic behind those theories. But lava just quietly appearing right next to the well and nothing much happening as a result doesn't seem very logical... to me.

But like I said, I'm no expert, it's just my opinion. I'm sharing it for consideration now and I hope I'm constructively adding to the debate.

Thank you theregonnakillme for the thread. Although I think you are mistaken, I'm thankful that people share their valid concerns for peer review. And I could easily be wrong.

It well could be sulfur depositing out of solution as the gas escapes as in a molten state it can be very reddish. Are there temps available at the well head? we know the oil was coming up ~400 (C-F?) .
It is irrelevant the well has fracked an active geological area and at a good depth. The area is riddled with "hot flows" of asphalt and mud showing the magma has pushed into the crust high enough to affect this well.
One decent fracture to a vent or laccolith and the viscous high pressure magma is on the move at pressures which separate strata and deform the crust, and overpower the pressures of the oil/gas mix many times over or fuel that pressure to cause the blow out of an already c*^ked up well.
Some thing did occur seismically and was reported here as a world wide unknown shock that did not conform to usual eathquake readings. Ever see a glass just pop from internal stress, too many hot cold cycles and it will just go pop.
How about the seismic event? the sharp Pop it showed, was it the crust popping like a glass due to the stresses of the fractured ocean floor?(And ,no, I do not think the world will fall apart like a broken glass. the analogy was only for the sudden fracture due to stress)
A lot of unknowns that are explained by a volcanic component to the issue.Although I expect this to fall away just as when I said weeks ago the well failed when the rig died. It was confirmed in my eyes during the "top kill" attempt and later confirmed by"experts"
The bottom line is they are not sharing the data and we are left to look at the existing facts to extrapolate from. The existing facts lead to the real possibility of volcanic involvement. As far as the lava itself goes it is a highly viscous fluid at extreme pressure if it wer to rise in a fissure it would squeeze in like putty and harden when it cooled, rapidly, the fact that thie reddish feature persisted for quite a while seems to discount the rapid cooling red hot lava would undergo at 4C. As for the lava boiling the water or separating the bonds of H and O. The first cannot occur at 2000psi and the second cannot occur, period, the most you will see of this is heat distortion and a upwelling near the heat source. Volcanic vents spew water at over 700F that does not boil because of the pressure.
I would leave a volcanic involvement on the table until this plays out further. It goes a long way to explainng the "burp" which fragged the rig and fracked the well.
N.

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If this is the well they have the funnel installed on. I sure wouldn't want to be on the boat on top of this leak. Jesse's what a mess BP has made.

They knew that the well produced methane gas when the rig blew up. But if the well starts to produce other lighter gasses as well. That means the flare boom on the boat can create a new disaster.

If the well starts to produce more gas, as all oil wells usually do after a while. They would have to shut down the whole operation, and hope that they can stop the leak by drilling a different well.

I must say this has turned into a very rewarding post. The participation has been far greater than I imagined and most of the time the contributors have added to the thread rather than just try and tear it apart. This is why I love ATS, people actually think about what they are saying instead of just trying to get a laugh (G.L.P).

One has to watch the Government or BP shills spending hours upon hours trying to get us to buy their BS, but who cares. When the 150ft wave finally kills us we will at least know who is responsible! They had better hope there is no afterlife, or they are in for a very unpleasant eternity.

I think in stead of worrying about the lava we should now direct ourselves to how we are going to take back the country before OBAMA gives it away while at the same time allowing it to be destroyed!

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I find your post a bit interesting. But quite odd, because if there was a very active volcano just underneath this particular aria of the reservoir. You could start to speculate on how they really got a drilling permit for this well, at this specific location.

Have you seen the actual seismic charts done to find this reservoir?

Originally posted by IcarusDeepSea
Is it the saser!!! the laser the laser!!! aaaahhhhhh!!!!!!

sorry you got ignored buddy. That was an excellent explanation but as you can see the same three people are posting here repeatedly. They already have it set in their minds what it is and they are not goin g to let anything convince them otherwise. great find man!

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Very compelling.

If the well caused an emergence of lava I would suspect the event to be far more vigorous, or violent. Would not lava find its way into the actual well and would that not then cause the well to spew out debris and cause the flow from the well to be very irregular?
Also I would suspect that the whole assembly atop the well would fall apart and collapse or topple in some fashion.

Please could you comment further?

Leaving a volcanic involvement on the table is a scary thought. I would definitely like some details that may help to visually confirm or deny such a possibility using the live feeds from the rovers.

Originally posted by twitchy



Area is geologically stable huh? Concept of Magma is ludicrous? 'Drill into magma', what kind of straw are you trying stuff into this thread? Nobody said anything about drilling into magma. Talk about ludicrous Blaine, come on now. You google Mohorovic and throw it around with some authority, but you don't seem to understand that the geolgy of the reigon in question here is FAR from geologically stable, and yes, magma...

Trolling eh. Read a few pages of unrelated material and your an expert?

You are relating mud volcanoes and asphalt volcanoes from unrelated stories.

I took the trouble to look up the geology of that precise area. It is available by the way. It is listed by the USGS as "Geologically Passive" in fact. Are you familiar with the term passive?

I'll just crawl into the woodwork and play dumb so the wild theories can fly scaring people for no reason. So the wild eyed fear merchants can have fun scaring the kiddies for giggles. Volcanoes and Tsunami's OH MY

I do have a degree in Geology by the way. I admit its been since the nineteen seventies since I've used it for anything, but the basics have not changed. I know what a Geologically Passive area means. What salt domes are. What an Oil Reservoir is and the difference between a permeable and impermeable layer.

When this volcano of yours erupts, you let me know. As I recall I first learned about the Moho in High School Earth Science and the first attempt to drill through to it. It has still never been done.

I also understand the base of the Oceans Crust is not magmatic. That there are miles of solid rock below. That if that area were as is being suggested, instead of thousands of wells there, there would be no wells there. That passive means there is no danger of what you suggest.

I'll leave you to insulting people and trollish behavior, let others review and check out what I've said and see who is spouting nonsense.




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Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by Recouper

 

If this is the well they have the funnel installed on. I sure wouldn't want to be on the boat on top of this leak. Jesse's what a mess BP has made.

They knew that the well produced methane gas when the rig blew up. But if the well starts to produce other lighter gasses as well. That means the flare boom on the boat can create a new disaster.

There is only one gas lighter than methane that is found in the petroleum which is flammable, Hydrogen and it is only slightly more flammable than methane which is CH4 the smallest aliphatic carbon unit( minus the radical CH3) the balance are toxic acids , HCL,HCN, SO2, etc. the remainder is mostly helium and radon.
N.

The picture sure LOOKS like lava, not asphalt.

Found these interesting things to add to your thread.

1. www.ngoilgas.com... It's one of the "proposal" methods. I wonder if this 'method' would give the appearance of lava flow?

2. Oddly enough, it wasn't until last December 2009 that the world got it's first view of lava forming new seafloor at deepsea! This web page is about the Pacific and not about BP's Deepwater - and it has a video which I can't see because I can't get videos. But, it might be useful comparison to those who can see videos. Also, rather coincidental if the OP's BP image is of lava forming seabed, that would be twice in a year! We've been to the moon but haven't seen our own seafloor forming from lava?

Deepsea Vocanic Eruption Video

They have speculated that there is tones of ancient toxic gases being ejected with the oil into the gulf. Meaning if the oil does not kill the gulf ...the toxic gases will. I thought why don't they slide a larger diameter pipe over the existing pipe they cut and extend it to the surface where they could cap it. They use rovers for welding at that depth anyway; that's how they could secure it in place. If the pressures are to great for the weld then drive the pipe into the seabed. This is using the same technology they use to create these wells to begin with. I don't know...just thinking out loud here.

I think the pipe they are showing on the ROV1 feed is glowing hot from frictional forces of all of that ejecta coming out of the pipe. There is a lot of grit coming out of the well along with the gas and oil. This is heading up the pipe and making it glow. I have seen this on geothermal wells also.

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Great post, I've learned something there .

If the sea bed caves in, as in a worse case scenario, then IF there is a volcano down deep what could we expect to happen?

And regarding that worldwide termor you mentioned, have you any links to read about it by any chance ?

Thanks

I was just looking at Rov2 just not and it looks like the rate of oil coming out has increased significantly since I looked last night.

Rov1 seems to be pulling up some type of line or piping from the sea-floor...what is that?

Anyone else have an observation or explanation on this?

[edit on 21-6-2010 by realmatrix]

I agree , the flow of the oil seems to increased since last night - is it me or do you guys see it the same way?