Cops Kill Father-to-Be in Botched Marijuana Raid

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


Geez I really hope you are not serious. There is something seriously wrong with a menatality that says a person deserves to be shot and killed because they had weed in their house.

It's exactly that kind of thinking that has this country so F-d up


If I were you I'd be really careful about eating rolls or bagels with poppy seeds on them since they contain low levels of opiates. So by your own reasoning you would deserve to be shot for eating anything with poppy seeds.




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This is what frustrates me about the issue of legalizing marijuana. The benefits of legalization are so obvious yet our PTB don't have a clue. I'm proud of Sarah Palin for speaking up. I wish more politicians would wake up.

Imagine the increased tax revenue that would boost the economy.

Imagine the reduced costs to police, court and prison systems.

Imagine the boom to the agriculture industry.

Imagine freedom from having your whole life ruined for a nonviolent pursuit of happiness.

Imagine the drop in pot smuggling.

I could go on and on...

Most politicians don't have a clue and this is the CHANGE we did not get.

reply to post by FearNoEvil


Oh they have a clue alright, and that's exactly why they won't legalize it. They need this "war on drugs" to keep things exactly the way they want them.

reply to post by chise61

I tend to agree.

And if true, they are the real criminals.


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reply to post by paraphi


No, the US is paying the price for allowing our police force to become militarized.

We're not so naive as to want our police force walking around with "water pistols", however we don't want our police force using jackboot gestapo tactics, breaking down people's doors and shooting and killing people and innocent pets over something as harmless as some GD F*****g weed


Edit because I forgot a word.

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reply to post by FearNoEvil


It's true alright, and they are indeeed the real criminals, along with any LEO's that willingly use such gestapo tactics in unwarranted situations. One of the worst things they use are those damned awful no-knock warrants. I'd love to see the numbers on just how many law makers, judges, LEO's, etc are snortin stuff up their noses, or getting drunk and beatin the crap out of their wife and kids.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
I would absolutely love a look inside your medicine cabinet.

Anyone that thinks people should be shot over having pot better not be taking any legal medication since it is pretty easy OD on Aspirin but not pot.

Better yet. They better not be taking that remaining percocet for their backpain when it was prescribed for shoulder pain. That is also illegal.



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reply to post by chise61


My point is a general one, although cannabis is part of a trade within which vast sums of money is made and criminality takes place. The US police have become “militarised” as you put it precisely because the criminals are armed to the teeth. Their whole philosophy and approach appears to be based on self preservation. In this case, how were they to know that the person shot was not armed? If experience suggests that the person will be armed then the odds of a pleasant ending are reduced. Let’s face it, half the time criminals are trying to protect themselves from each other so keep the tools of their criminality to hand and this is especially true when drugs are involved due to the large amounts of cash involved.

Again, the US is now paying the logical outcome for a gun culture. It’s not about “weed” – it’s about the fact that the person you are dealing with may be armed.

I have to say that I am not defending US police as from what I have seen they are generally over enthusiastic with tasers and guns, but hey, that’s your gun culture that’s done it.

Regards

Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Get out and do something. That is the only thing that is going to change it. Keep trying to explain to people, showing these examples.

Really? Washington DC's residents legalized the use of marijuana for medicine back in 1999. Bob Barr (the Barr ammendment) stopped what the voters wanted.

How can you say "go vote, it will change everything", when obviously it doesn't?

Otherwise, we have the nation that our votes apparently have created.

No. We have a nation that the law makers have created. When was the last time you got to vote on a law?

and yet we keep electing the exact same people from the exact same two parties.

the better question you could ask me is, "when was the last time you voted on a candidate that actually won?" I refuse to vote for GOP or Dem candidates. So i am always in the minority.

I cannot be blamed for how stupid the people I live around are. I was born onto this Earth like everyone else. I just go about living my life to the best of my ability, and hope and pray that someone elses stupidity doesn't spill over into my life.

Voting is the only way, short of armed revolt (and i am game for that, when everyone else is finally fed up enough). Unless you have another solution?

Originally posted by crazydaisy
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

Yea U.S.Govt.com - s%#t - and what do you have in you medicine cabinet I ask again. Enjoy your drug of choice - ignorance!

I don't have any illegal medicines in my cabinet if that's what your asking. I know what can happen, that's why I choose not to do such things. Drugs destroy people, they need to make alcohol illegal too. I have been there, I made decisions and faced the consequences, he shoulda known that your house can be raided if the police has probable cause and a warrant. Should not have kept that stuff in the house if he wanted to live.

reply to post by paraphi

The US police have become “militarised” as you put it precisely because the criminals are armed to the teeth.

The problem with this is that they are using their military tactics on non-criminals, in increasing numbers. And in many of these raids not only are there no drugs found, but there are also no weapons found.

Their whole philosophy and approach appears to be based on self preservation.

No that is not what their whole philosophy is based on, nor does it apply to all of them. For some it is simply a power trip, an abuse of authority, and the act of placing themselves above the law.

In this case, how were they to know that the person shot was not armed?

They couldn't, they were right to believe that he may be armed. However that does not justify shooting to kill on the assumption that the person may possibly have a gun.

I have to say that I am not defending US police as from what I have seen they are generally over enthusiastic with tasers and guns, but hey, that’s your gun culture that’s done it.

No, actually it's the ever growing mentality within our police force that all citizens are criminals in one way or another and are to be treated with disdain that has done it.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Originally posted by crazydaisy
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

Yea U.S.Govt.com - s%#t - and what do you have in you medicine cabinet I ask again. Enjoy your drug of choice - ignorance!

I don't have any illegal medicines in my cabinet if that's what your asking. I know what can happen, that's why I choose not to do such things. Drugs destroy people, they need to make alcohol illegal too. I have been there, I made decisions and faced the consequences, he shoulda known that your house can be raided if the police has probable cause and a warrant. Should not have kept that stuff in the house if he wanted to live.

I do nothing, myself. But that is my choice. I take pain killers when necessary, under doctors orders. Daily levothyroxin and usually some motrin.

But whether i CHOOSE to use drugs or CHOOSE to drink is my choice. It is an act of personal liberty, and you (nor anyone else) really has the right to make choices for other people, especially when it pertains to personal liberty.

To quote Pythagoras:

“As soon as laws are necessary for men, they are no longer fit for freedom.”

We live under far too many laws. It is not the way the US was designed, and it is not the legacy that was meant for us by those who died to give us liberty. It is an affront to every gravestone on a battlefield that we so easily and cheaply give away our rights.

And it is an affront that very same liberty that we have people who so easily choose to remove the freedom of choice from the average person.

No. I am a patriot. I will not stand idle while our citizens continue to be victimized. I will speak out. Being unruly is our legacy. Being free is our right, give to us by God.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Originally posted by crazydaisy
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

Yea U.S.Govt.com - s%#t - and what do you have in you medicine cabinet I ask again. Enjoy your drug of choice - ignorance!

I don't have any illegal medicines in my cabinet if that's what your asking. I know what can happen, that's why I choose not to do such things. Drugs destroy people, they need to make alcohol illegal too. I have been there, I made decisions and faced the consequences, he shoulda known that your house can be raided if the police has probable cause and a warrant. Should not have kept that stuff in the house if he wanted to live.

That is insane, this is AMERICA buddy and it is founded on the basis of leaving me the hell alone whether you like it or not. You know damn well what was meant by medicine in you're cabinet and if you don't then you need a reality check. If you think this was right in any sense then there is little hope for you as what happened was the height of immorality and authoritarian, out of control government. You're days of forcing people to live as you do are limited...enjoy them while you can.

I was prescribed "propranilol"...do you know how many that has killed? Can you tell me how many cannabis has killed? Have fun in you're backwards reality. You have the same mentality that the nazis had while slaughtering jews and other undesirables...sick to the core.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Shouldn't have drugs in the house...he gets what he deserves...that kid woulda grown up with drugs...don't have drugs or don't do drugs or suffer the consequences

Dont have stupid in the house. Oh wait, sorry...

Almost aimed for a warning..

cannabis has more than 200 different drugs in it so when anybody said its a drug they would be wrong. but what everybody dosent relize is we get most all our drugs from plants fom vitamin A to zinc as they say. its not about the plant being harmfull. they controll everything we hold close to us and i mean everything. if it dosent make you "earn" or want to earn money its illegal. plain and simple

reply to post by HistoryIsOnlyHisStory


That guy died because of marijuana?

I am horrified that this man lost his life. Please, police, go after murderers and people who are selling hard drugs.

reply to post by HistoryIsOnlyHisStory


Another person dead for a plant, wow. Yeah i know people will say he actually died because he made a furtive movement (if the police raid your house you might be slightly twitchy from stress no). In truth though if the plant wasn't illegal the raid would never have occured. I just want to make this absolutely crystal clear.

This man died because he possessed parts of a plant, a substance which has less harmful effects than alcohol or tobacco.

Seriously.

enforcement and rights given to "doctors" or people who forge and of falsify scripture so that you feel content should be the main priority in the "war on drugs"

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by HistoryIsOnlyHisStory

 

Another person dead for a plant, wow. Yeah i know people will say he actually died because he made a furtive movement (if the police raid your house you might be slightly twitchy from stress no). In truth though if the plant wasn't illegal the raid would never have occured. I just want to make this absolutely crystal clear.

This man died because he possessed parts of a plant, a substance which has less harmful effects than alcohol or tobacco.

Seriously.

Well...it has less harmful effects than a bullet, that much we can prove for sure.

But it doesn't matter how harmful it is. This nation has a concept meant to deal with harmful products: Caveat Emptor. No legislation needed. And if we followed such principles, still, instead of wanting Uncle Sam to be our nanny, we wouldn't have crap like McDonald's either. Caveat Emptor tells you that you are smart enough to know what is good and isn't good for you. Personal responsibility, not nanny state.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Well...it has less harmful effects than a bullet, that much we can prove for sure.

But it doesn't matter how harmful it is. This nation has a concept meant to deal with harmful products: Caveat Emptor. No legislation needed. And if we followed such principles, still, instead of wanting Uncle Sam to be our nanny, we wouldn't have crap like McDonald's either. Caveat Emptor tells you that you are smart enough to know what is good and isn't good for you. Personal responsibility, not nanny state.

Personally i say legalise everything and if people want to shove that rubbish into their bodies then it's their choice. The advantage of legalising such things would be the elimination of the mass funding given to the drugs war, the ability to tax the trade, freeing up vast prison spaces and most importantly, making the whole thing safer as the products involved could be standardised.

Again though, a man is dead because of a plant.

I just get annoyed that we allow alcohol and tobacco but we ban less harmful drugs. Every year thousands die because of alcohol alone and yet the only time you hear of someone being killed because of marijuana is when a drugs officer shoots a suspect.

It's the same in the UK.