US Warns It Cannot Guard Arizona Section of Border

Those people that are coming over the border with OUT wanting to try and contact the proper channels for getting a green card... Those people should_be stoped!

The question IS to the Yanks; If the terrorists are so smart, why does drugs and other illegal situations are allowed AND continue to get past the U.S border in to the U.S???

As I understand, in America you are allowed to maintain a well regulated militia etc. That's about as much as I understand.

Are these militias legally allowed to defend their states from this sort of thing? Surely they must be able to. I'm not talking about shooting everyone who pops their head over the border, just some sort of patrol. I realize the distances involved are vast, but come on this has to stop.

On one hand you have the feds saying don't do drugs and on the other you have the feds making a corridor for easy drug smuggling with a red carpet rolled out. People must be seeing through this twaddle.

I just can't see the people of Arizona and other border states taking this kind of bollox for long.

If the federal government wont act, can local government rally these militias into action? Can't the local sheriff deputize these men?

It's shocking to hear of this happening. How can a part of their own state be off limits. Disgusting.

reply to post by Sam Vimes


Maybe it IS time for the locals to do some thinking and look at the 'old laws' of the state, so the people would know what to do.

reply to post by Sam Vimes


The 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution States:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Also, Article I Section 8 States:

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

(btw, this is the part that militias don't understand, they don't quite get the idea that if they are a militia sanctioned under the bill of rights, they can be ordered by the United States legislative branch.)

For some odd reason, it doesn't state that militias can be formed for ethnic cleansing operations. Maybe the minutemen militia can re read this and think on that for a while.


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Thanks for the info. As a Brit, it still baffles me bit. As a person, I don't think I'd sit idle if I had some sort of legal standing to back me up. It seems a bit murky.

I suppose the last thing anyone wants, is a bunch of trigger happy guys, blowing holes in anyone wearing a sombrero. I think a mere presence of border patrol by locals would at least be something.

The way it's going now it looks like something awful and terrible will have to happen before anythings done. I really feel for the people of these border states especially ranchers and farmers .

Illegals is one thing, violent drug thugs is another.

Couldn't the owners of the ranches/farms could place "ANIMAL TRAPS" on the near edge of their lands - ranches/farms, so if any Illegals came accross on the ranches/farms they would be stuck on the animal traps???

Originally posted by brainwrek
Failure to secure this section of Arizona is grounds for impeachment of the President.

He is willfully refusing to uphold his Constitutionally required duties.

High crimes and misdemeanors at the least, absolute treason at the worst.

This is entirely possible, seeing as it is entirely within reason to expect the Republicans to retake the house and senate. Disapproval with the current congress is at an all time low...

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This is entirely possible, seeing as it is entirely within reason to expect the Republicans to retake the house and senate. Disapproval with the current congress is at an all time low...

I wouldn't count your chickens before they are hatched, you may see some seats switch this term, but I don't think it will be as wide as many think. The problem is, Republicans don't do well with immigration issues either.

And this isn't really an impeachable issue for Obama either. It appears that the poster you were replying to would like to see Obama go to a treason trial but that is not going to happen, certainly not for this issue.

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Where do you get the idea that the Minutemen are here for ethnic cleansing ?

reply to post by whatukno


Deportation has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing.

Try again troll.

Originally posted by whatukno

And this isn't really an impeachable issue for Obama either. It appears that the poster you were replying to would like to see Obama go to a treason trial

but that is not going to happen, certainly not for this issue.

Isnt impeachable???? What planet are you from?

Obama is failing to protect the country from an invasion. Obama is failing to uphold his oath to the Constitution and to the American people.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix

Where do you get the idea that the Minutemen are here for ethnic cleansing ?

reply to post by brainwrek

Deportation has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing.

This is the head of the minutemen, just listen to his own words. Pay specific attention when he talks about the "work camps".

reply to post by brainwrek


Obama made no oath to the American people. Just to the Constitution, and a bunch of illegal immigrants does not qualify as an invasion.

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reply to post by whatukno


Wow your so intelligent. Not, you are complete disinfo anti-obama extremist, I have been reading your post and you out of control. Please please admit to being a troll. It will make alot of us happy.

As for the thread, how do you know that corporations all want illegals in the country. Are you a CEO of one??? Have you interviewed every corporation in America. Everyone on here is freaking out over something very very miniscule.

Wake up to the truth!

reply to post by whatukno


Try looking up the definition of the word invasion.

It would do you a world of good to actually be educated on a subject before you choose to debate it.

reply to post by Y2Zgt

As for the thread, how do you know that corporations all want illegals in the country. Are you a CEO of one??? Have you interviewed every corporation in America. Everyone on here is freaking out over something very very miniscule.

I didn't say that ALL corporations want illegal labor. But there are those corporations that do. I think we should shut these businesses down for hiring illegals, you take away the money, there won't be any reason for illegals to come here.

You generalize, and I am the troll, grow up, get a life, and stop your whining.

reply to post by brainwrek


The feds are in charge of the border and they, not the people, determine what is an isn't an invasion or what happens at the border.

Furthermore, you don't wait till there are 12 million people in your country to start crying invasion.

Since 1986, this number has steady increased. Amazing it took about 24 years to turn into an invasion.

reply to post by jam321


Simply because politicians refuse to call it what it truly is doesnt mean it isnt an invasion.

You are right about not waiting until 12 million + illegals are here to call it an invasion. It didnt take 24 years, it became an invasion the moment the first illegal crossed the border.

From the Constitution:

Article 1 Section 8

suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

It is Constitutionally required that the feds repel invasions, and they have refused to do so. That refusal gives states the right defend themselves and their borders.

The proper course of action here is for the AZ governor to deploy her states NG units to defend and retake this occupied portion of her state.


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reply to post by brainwrek


Oh I see, so you want Obama impeached for something that Congress is supposed to do, is that right?

So what about Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, W? Did they need to be impeached for this "Evil invasion of migrant farm workers"?

reply to post by whatukno


Yes, and and all former presidents who refused to secure our borders should have been impeached.