Aliens Do Not Exist!

Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

It is not possible for me to think that anything is possible, so therefore your argument is non valid.

Of course it's possible. You just don't, or won't, for now. You may in the future.

We often think or believe things with great passion that we change our minds about at some later time.

I think you used an invalid argument in an attempt to invalidate his argument.

And it seems a bit petty to pick him up on the phrase 'anything is possible' when the context is a discussion of ET visitation, rather than million miles wide photons (I could argue the possibility of million mile wide photons but that really would take us off topic. lol)


[edit on 19-6-2010 by Malcram]

Originally posted by Malcram

Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

It is not possible for me to think that anything is possible, so therefore your argument is non valid.

Of course it's possible. You just don't, or won't, for now. You may in the future.

We often think or believe things with great passion that we change our minds of at some later time.

I think you used an invalid argument in an attempt to invalidate his argument.

[edit on 19-6-2010 by Malcram]

Even better. Can't believe I missed that.

Too eager to slip in 'touche'

This has got to be the most ignorant thread I've ever read on ATS.

Originally posted by HeavenlyDivine
I'm not gonna read through the hole thread but semantics seems to be a big issue when discussing this. Or rather, illiteracy.

Theres a massive difference between Aliens existing and Aliens visiting Earth. The critics can't seem to grasp this.

SECONDED!

Originally posted by HeavenlyDivine

Originally posted by Malcram

Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

It is not possible for me to think that anything is possible, so therefore your argument is non valid.

Of course it's possible. You just don't, or won't, for now. You may in the future.

We often think or believe things with great passion that we change our minds of at some later time.

I think you used an invalid argument in an attempt to invalidate his argument.

[edit on 19-6-2010 by Malcram]

Even better. Can't believe I missed that.

Too eager to slip in 'touche'

Of course you could. Anything is possible.

Just like the sun exploding and the next day be back in the sky.


Anyway - it's not really relevant to the argument made by Mr. AnythingIsPossible, which was referring to aliens coming to visit us. Or was he?
If I recall (and I do, because I can Cut'n'Paste), the argument was precisely this:

"All I have to say to this thread, is just because something isnt proven doesnt mean it doesnt exist. It simply means you are ignorant of its existence therefore you deny that exists. For people who are all about proof, they are ignorant of things until it is proven to them that it exists. Anything is possible."

I am sorry to say that this last sentence - Anything is possible - was enough to spur me on. His argument is valid all the way to (and not including) the last sentence quoted.

[edit on 19.6.2010 by HolgerTheDane]

Originally posted by Kojiro

Originally posted by HeavenlyDivine
I'm not gonna read through the hole thread but semantics seems to be a big issue when discussing this. Or rather, illiteracy.

Theres a massive difference between Aliens existing and Aliens visiting Earth. The critics can't seem to grasp this.

SECONDED!

THIRDED!

Originally posted by hornum
TPTB have had science and technology far beyond the mainstream knowledge for a very long time. They are capable of traveling around in craft at high speed here on earth and in outerspace. They are capable of medical science that you would find hard to believe. They have installations on our moon. they have genetically engineered humanoids and this is the crux of my thread.
Now I'm sure I will get the usual questions like "Wheres your proof" and the fact is I can't give you any, but you can't give me any either.

That's called a stalemate, and at this point in chess the game is abandoned. Why should your thread be any different?

Seems to me you're on a personal crusade to convince people aliens don't exist and that man is responsible for all the strange phenomena we see in the skies, yet by your own admission you don't have a scrap of evidence to support this.

Sounds like many a conversation I had as a child - "my skateboard's better than yours!" - "why?" - "It just IS!"

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Ok mate,
I can't prove that there are Extra-Terrestrials, but I can tell you this...

I grew up believing that there was NOTHING beyond what I could see, that includes God, Jesus, Yahweh, Mohamed and above all, E.T.'s.

I no longer think that way because many years ago I embarked on an inward journey, which at first led me through all of my memory banks (ooh, it was messy) and then out into the great unknown beyond.
What happened, was whilst circumnavigating the quantum space around my little humble self, I eventually encountered other beings. Two other beings to be precise.

What followed was to be essentially a charging of my soul and a series video-esque shows of various events, past, present and future.

Bear with me, I won't bore you much longer.

One day I asked them a question.
The show I received in reply was spectacular, showing me insights into our technological developments since the time that the canal system was first established across Britain, and leading right up to where we are today (and a little bit more yet to come) however, it stopped at one particular moment.
That moment is due to arrive quite soon.

What I was shown at that time was not just contact, but connectedness on a global and Universal scale.

That was way back in 1995 and to be honest, I thought they were having me on.
Really. I truly did! What I saw, for one example, was a world full of personal communication devices, which in 1995 was just a wild dream.

As I look around me today however, EVERYTHING that I was shown has come to pass, so then, why am I to doubt that we are all about to experience a major event?



Of course, I could always be just another raving ATS nutter, but then again, I'm not the one who is unsure.

Peas be with you.

Maybe the reason we've never seen any higher order beings is because we aren't one ourselves...

On an evolutionary ladder we are barely out of the forest, we still murder over the dumbest things, oh and we still have not mastered a little thing like space flight (sub orbital stuff doesn't count). We are merely too stupid in the eyes of a being that can zoom around the galaxy. We use simple sources to power our lives, things that consume too much and deliver a disproportionate amount of energy in return. Like I said, we are infants in comparison.

And our solar system, our sun is tiny, it might be too tiny to harbor life, at least in the eyes of superior beings... it might be just too easy to miss. That and our location, we are literally on the outskirts ,the boonies, we are the rotten tooth, slack-jawed idiots that gets it on with our cousins. Who the hell wants to make contact with that?

Maybe they are looking for us but we lack the technology to find what ever signals they are using, they are eons ahead of us. It takes years to send signals out and receive signals back, they probably have a better way.

We are just destined to be alone wallowing in our self-loathing until we can prove we are meant to be out there, once we are, I can guarantee that we will find ET. But we have to get over our self hating ways, band together as a species, get rid of greed, and work towards a common goal.

Yeah, I don't see it happening either, we are just a retarded species. I am truly shocked that we made it out of the cesspool.

You have to be a very close minded individual to actually be so arrogant and say aliens do not exist. have you even done any research on the topic. I strongly suggest watching the movie "The Fourth Kind" after u watch that i dare you to tell anyone aliens do not exist. You probably were planning on saying its just a movie. true BUT the footage in it is actual footage and they even tell u that before the movie starts. and in the movie when the real footage is showing instead of the movie it says ACTUAL footage on it and they even have voice recordings that scare even the best of men. Watch that movie and then tell people aliens do not exist.

Originally posted by hornum
To put it simply, people who believe in Aliens are wrong and are being decieved by TPTB.

Now all you have to do is to go and tell people who have seen aliens that they were mistaken. You know that you're going to have a difficult time of it, as you were not there to experience what they did.

Good luck with that.

Originally posted by hornum
The Alien/UFO topic has been a biggy for many years now and I must admit it has intrigued me no end until recently.

To put it simply, people who believe in Aliens are wrong and are being decieved by TPTB. Now you might say "I've seen one" or "I was abducted" and that is fair enough but where is the proof? or more to the point where is the proof they are aliens?

We have photos of UFOS (Generally fuzzy unsteady images of balloons and lanterns) and we have the same of so called aliens. We have high ranking officials willing to swear under oath to the existance of such things.

I am not saying they have not witnessed something bizzare, I am simply saying they are not aliens.I am going to share a theory which is not new to many of you so bare with me.

TPTB have had science and technology far beyond the mainstream knowledge for a very long time. They are capable of traveling around in craft at high speed here on earth and in outerspace. They are capable of medical science that you would find hard to believe. They have installations on our moon. they have genetically engineered humanoids and this is the crux of my thread.

Now I'm sure I will get the usual questions like "Wheres your proof" and the fact is I can't give you any, but you can't give me any either.

There has been some crazy stuff going on for a long time and TPTB are laughing at our ignorance. Laughing because we are so easily decieved as a species.

There are things going on that we will never fully understand, nor should we, but please understand this, aliens don't exist, humans do! And some of these humans are evil, greedy and manipulitive A holes!

Now if someone can introduce me to an alien and we can jump in thier saucer, fly to their home planet and sight see, bring it on. Until then I'm afraid it's just a bunch of misguided evil humans.

Humans tend to easily believe in the most fanciful things because it takes them away from so called normality, it's in our nature whether it be natural or not. TPTB want it this way because it distracts you, keeps you occupied with nonsence while the truth is played out.







[edit on 17-6-2010 by hornum]

Aliens do exist.

Anything you can imagine is possible throughout the Universes and within the Infinite Creation although in this density and life we are limited to what we can experience.

If your meant to see an Alien you will see one, if your meant to win the lottery you will win it, if your meant to die tomorrow you will die.

Everything in life happens for a reason. Just like the ignorance in your post. Hopefully you will wake up one day and learn from it

[edit on 20-6-2010 by Light soul]

I strongly believe in ancient astronaut theory , there is a whole load of evidence to support this .
Particularly ancient civilisations having extensive knowledge of the stars and motions of the heavens !

Some might say they got that because they didnt have tv , but for them to get this knowledge and so quickly seems likely impossible.

I also think that humans are not indigenous to earth

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I agree that aliens are not real. Of course I could be wrong. I am going on the theory that God created humans, the Earth, and the universe, which circumvents the mathematical discussion of probabilities (which certainly does support the existence of alien races somewhere out there).

Further, I explain UFOs as either government projects that we don't know the details of, or maybe spirits/demons making us think there are UFOs for some sinister purpose.

There you go - I know it's another unfounded guess with no proof. My only evidence for my theory other than faith, is the lack of any conclusive evidence of alien races. I don't believe they would work with our government, I think if they wanted to visit us, they would be doing so in such a way that it could not be covered up, like landing right in a city or something, or communicating with us, or something like that if they were friendly. If they were evil, they would just enslave us or destroy us - in my opinion. I just don't think they would do what they would have to be doing to remain on the fringe with no proof either way - but like I said, I could be wrong, just another opinion.

I would be happy if they did exist, I'd love to see technology for space travel, maybe even faster than light, etc. OH well...



[edit on 20-6-2010 by caverjamie]

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Aliens do exist. I've done extensive research into the existence of Aliens and have proven to myself, family and friends that they do exist.

Recorded history supports this belief as well. Even The History Channel has aired programs supporting Alien existence.

It is my belief that those who don't believe in Aliens, are afraid of them.

Originally posted by The_Undertaker
reply to post by hornum
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Recorded history supports this belief as well.

Without sounding obnoxious, you more or less have put it in perspective. History does repeat itself.

I think there must be "Aliens" or the possibility of Extra Terrestrial life - because look at the variety we have right here on earth.

Consider all the creatures under the seas - this IS a different 'atmosphere' anyway and all kinds of unusual creatures live there.

From strange microbes to phosphorescent jelly fish.

Consider all these strange and wonderful creatures in all places - microbes in volcanoes, dung beetles, there is such a variety just *here* that it seems to point to me that there can be all sorts of possibilities everywhere.

I walk out the side door here, there are swarms of baby dragon flies! They are so cool.
(I live in a forest/swamp). Last evening I cam home and there was a deer eating the neighbors flowers and it stood there, I walked right up to it, it was not fearful and kept on eating. People do put alot of effort into their gardens here and I suppose what are pretty flowers to *us* are tasty dinner for the deers. That's how they perceive it, eh?

Now here I have all these unusual creatures all around me - I think the "humans" are outnumbered here by the forest creatures. They are here, they are not 'human'.

Non humans are right in front of us so why would they not be in space / other worlds as well?

Notice my av. pic - the elusive Wolverine. Very few humans have seen one of these - but yes - they do exist.

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Well it's another "Final Answer" Guy folks...lol
Obviously this guy is well 'connected' and 'hooked up' with Cosmic and Majestic Clearances.

I just love it when I see bandwidth wasted on topics like this.

Originally posted by hornum

Originally posted by Kojiro

Originally posted by ZeroGhost


Like a holograph, there is the whole within the fragment. Even this limited 3D universe makes it all available if you can tune your instrument to it. There are 4D-11D universes too. Each goes beyond forever.

Actually, if you put some stock in String Theory, we already do live in an 11-dimensional universe. It's just that we can't perceive the other 7 dimensions like we do the other four (Time is a dimension) because they're so closely and tightly wrapped around each other (or in the case of the 11th, widely wrapped outside of our universe).

All theories.

And, that would be your theory?

Subjective data is useless according to you.

Non-sequiter.

ZG

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