MARTIAL LAW ALERT: Gulf Coast Evacuation Scenario Summer/Fall 2010

So is it that you feel your space will soon be invaded? Do you think all of those people will go to one place? They all have friends and family somewhere.

If life was easy then we would all be bored. It is the hardships that bring us together, and bring out the best in us. I will gladly help someone in need, and I do.

reply to post by darkelf

It won't take a 'freak hurricane' a normal one will do. Look at the hurricane maps for 2005 and 2008. Our conditions are currenlty favorable for a season similar to those.

Not sure a normal hurricane is even possible at this stage of the game.
What that means is, any hurricane might look like a freak right now.

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reply to post by America?

Originally posted by America?
I'm guessing if they started Martial Law in the Gulf region they would eventually just declare it for the whole country then,.

I could be wrong, but I'm banking on not yet. But these topics must be discussed in order to prepare for any worst case scenario. It reminds me of when I was diagnosed with cancer. My doctors gave me all the worst case scenarios so I could make an informed decision. Yet none of my family would discuss it from fear. I had to make that decision on my own without support from anyone.

We don't want fear to keep us from discussing these things. Forwarned is forarmed.

reply to post by CAELENIUM



Odd?

I am trying to find your sources for you? I am even quoting your sources for you, and pointing out that your sources agree with me.

Seems friendly and helpful in my opinion, but you are certainly welcome to ignore me, evacuate the coast, run for your life, and peak out in 5 or 20 years. No complaints from me.

Thanks for Joye though. Her blog is very informative and the pictures are great. She also links to University of South Florida research and many other plumes that have been found, and there is a link to a maritime website to track her research ship!

reply to post by redeyedwonder

Originally posted by redeyedwonder
So is it that you feel your space will soon be invaded? Do you think all of those people will go to one place? They all have friends and family somewhere.

If life was easy then we would all be bored. It is the hardships that bring us together, and bring out the best in us. I will gladly help someone in need, and I do.

Not at all. I am hoping my family and/or friends will take me up on my offer. I love your attitude and you are correct it is the adversities that make us stronger.

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She does monitor air quality for crew safety, and they do use protective equipment from time to time! Still no indication that she is worried about air quality inland or at the beaches though.

The EPA provided us with a meter to measure the concentration VOCs (volatile organic carbon) in the air outside the ship (and inside too). We are monitoring VOCs and if necessary are wearing respirators and TYVEC suits. Most of the time, however, we move away from the sampling site so that we can sample the bottles while breathing fresh air. I think anyone working in the area of this spill should be doing the same – monitoring the air quality with a VOC meter constantly, wearing gloves all the time when handling plume samples, and wearing respirators when necessary.

Nope! Just searched her entire blog and that paragraph is the only indication of any air measurements. She never said 1000x or 3300 ppb or whatever the claim was. She is a GREAT source of info though!

[edit on 15-6-2010 by getreadyalready]

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Yes I am aware of the Prophecies ...ALL OF THEM >.
And I am with you on the fact that THIS IS HUGE and may very well be Revelation coming to pass .....and when you add everything up thats happening just in the last week all over the world and in the hearts of people everywhere (right is wrong and wrong is right right now) ....then know that WE ARE AT THE DOORS of it coming to its HEAD ...

Its pretty doggone scary .....PRAYING FOR EVERYONE for sure ......
And praying for my family who live in Florida (Panama City) ........

Originally posted by MagicaRose
I JUST READ THE FIRST PAGE OF YOUR THREAD AND I'M SORRY THAT I DID.


I live on the west coast of Forida and I'm worried about how this will effect me and my family.

I decided that because of this thread I'll stop reading the fear mongering that is posted on ATS.

I've read alot of it in the past few days and after reading yours I became so ill I thought I needed to call 911.

Whatever is going to happen will happen and no one can stop it so I'll just get as prepared as I can and wait for the Emergency Broadcasting Alert to comes across my TV and it won't be a test this time.

I'll read other threads from now on but no more of doomsday crap on ATS.

I hope other members will do the same because all of these threads are good for is to instill fear and I have a feeling that they are posted to do just that.

[edit on 15-6-2010 by MagicaRose]

Hiding your head in the sand will not make the reality go away. Better to look death and destruction "the devil" in the face. Turning away from "the devil" will mean that, you will not be able to see him, as he creeps up behind you. If you're feeling so ill, such that you need to phone 911, it is probably most likely because already the poisonous vapours are inside of you. The fumes affect not just on a physiological level. You need to realise that the poisons are affecting you psychologically. In the brain. BENZENE C6H6 inhalation causes FATIGUE and thus DEPRESSION and ulimately SUICIDAL psychosis. You're not alone in this. Everyone else is affected too. I live in the UK, far away from it all, so that I can see the affects that the vapours are having on all of you. Disasters are horrible and I am praying for all of you. My heart goes out to all of you affected ones. Connect to the "multidimensionality physics" of the Holy Spirit of OUR LADY the True God, and She can offer you sanctuary. I have seen her spirit working in my life. She can work miracles in your life too. I insert some links to my music web pages. My music is my free gift to you. It is medicine music. I hope it will help you on a psychological level in dealing with the difficulties in life. Music saved my life. I hope it can save your life too. X
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Surely now the rest of the thread readers can see that she is crazy? Huh?

"The fumes are already inside of you." "Connect to the multi-dimensional..." "From the UK, I can see how it is affecting all of you."



I was debating a kook all along? Why did I try so hard? Why is someone in the UK begging and demanding that we evacuate our own coast? I am 15 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. Maybe the fumes are inside of me too? I can't see the forest for the trees! I'm going down! S...A.......V..........E MMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I've posted something similar to this in a different thread, but I'll expand here.

I don't see the government simply letting millions of people die. There are too many resources in the Gulf area to simply let die. Think of all the medical and military personnel, the oil in Texas, and simply put all the cash money that's in the region that they could use to their advantage.

Now let's talk about the outrage that will inevitably happen if the government lets something like this happen and tries to cover it up. The backlash would be TOO MUCH for the government to handle. There is absolutely no way the government could contain a cover-up of this magnitude. Some believe that 9/11 was an inside job, but 9/11 would be nothing compared to this. Don't get me wrong, 9/11 was terrible, especially if it was an inside job, but the event was a complete surprise. There are too many professional people monitoring this situation for anything crazy to happen without some forewarning.

I know some will say that covering this up is certainly within the government's power, but I think those who say that have an inaccurate idea of how much power and resource is currently at the government's disposal. The government very well may be out to get us and some of these ideas that seem crazy may actually be true, but lets be honest with ourselves, the government isn't ready for something of this magnitude.

I live within 200 miles of the Gulf, and this worries me a little bit. There is certainly danger here, but I'm going to agree with getreadyalready and say that it's not going to result in mass evacuation/herd-thinning.


EDIT: spelling.


[edit on 15-6-2010 by Old_Rasputin]

reply to post by LordBucket

The scenario they describe may be possible, but meetup groups are basically groups of random people who sign up for a website. They have no more authority to speak on this matter than your average late-night Denny's crowd.

And there is probably more truth to be found in the late night Denny's crowd and meetup groups then we will get from the so called authorities...

Many of you I'm sure played a game when you were little. When we did it in school at about the age of 9 or 10 they called it the "Postman" game and some I've heard call it the "Whisper" game.

They would have us sit in a circle. The first kid is given a simple sentence to repeat to the next kid who then does the same, until it goes to the other end. The last person then writes the sentence down and it is compared to the original sentence.

What always happens is that by the time it goes through the class the sentence at the end is nothing like the original. It is human nature and the point of the game is to teach a valuable lesson about spreading stories and gossip.

These threads have become just like that.

There is no danger of fumes toxic enough to evacuate. It's not being suggested. That is a rumor spread by people without any real knowledge of it and likely started by some person who invented it out of thin air. Or perhaps they can't read and misunderstood what they were reading and unknowingly altered it.

Here is a link to a page that will give you the most current real information; without the hysterical nonsense.

This explains the meaning of the colors.

That brings us to the mythical FEMA Concentration Camps, in particular the ones in Alaska which has been debunked so many times, it is incredible there is a person on ATS who does not know they are not real.

A handy link for info on that bit of mythology.

To the Marshal Law crowd. I highly recommend you read the Presidential Orders surrounding this. If the language in them is beyond your ability to understand, find someone who can help with understanding them. There are some serious Constitutional Issues to address in regards to them, but this Marshal Law insanity just makes it worse. It makes us look like crackpots, which apparently a few of us are.

Deny ignorance by researching topics beforehand. Find good sources. Don't place any credence in sources started by and for crackpots (for lack of a better word).

The sky is not falling yet, but if it ever does, nobody will believe us because of all these crackpot threads. Makes us look like fools to the general thinking population.

reply to post by getreadyalready


You ask the question: " Why clean up personel don't have resperators?"

Well I can answer that question for ya since I have several friends working the spill. BP says they are not needed. Furthermore if you are caught wearing one you will be fired on the spot.

reply to post by Blaine91555

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Many of you I'm sure played a game when you were little. When we did it in school at about the age of 9 or 10 they called it the "Postman" game and some I've heard call it the "Whisper" game.

These threads have become just like that.

I am familiar with this game, we called it telephone. That was back in the late 50s and early 60s.

There is no danger of fumes toxic enough to evacuate. It's not being suggested. That is a rumor spread by people without any real knowledge of it and likely started by some person who invented it out of thin air. Or perhaps they can't read and misunderstood what they were reading and unknowingly altered it.

EPA's air monitoring conducted through June 13, 2010, has found that air quality levels for ozone and particulates are normal on the Gulf coastline for this time of year.
EPA has observed odor-causing pollutants associated with petroleum products along the coastline at low levels. Some of these chemicals may cause short-lived effects like headache, eye, nose and throat irritation, or nausea. People may be able to smell some of these chemicals at levels well below those that would cause short-term health problems. www.epa.gov..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Source

In the past week, 11 workers who have been out on the water cleaning up oil from BP’s blown-out well have been treated for what Dietrich calls “a pattern of symptoms” that could have been caused by the burning of crude oil, noxious fumes from the oil or the dispersants dumped in the Gulf to break it up. All workers were treated and released.
Few studies have examined long-term health effects of oil exposure. But some of the workers trolling Gulf Coast beaches and heading out into the marshes and waters have complained about flu-like symptoms — a similar complaint among crews deployed for the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska www.syracuse.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Source

Long term health effects of oil exposure are unknown because little to no studies have been done. Keep in mind that the EPA also said the air quality at ground zero was within normal parameters.

That brings us to the mythical FEMA Concentration Camps, in particular the ones in Alaska which has been debunked so many times, it is incredible there is a person on ATS who does not know they are not real.

You believe that FEMA Concentration Camps are mythical because that is how you interpreted the evidence. Many others have interpreted that same evidence to believe that they do in fact exist. FEMA Concentration Camps have neither been proven entirely true or false for me so I remain skeptical on this issue.

To the Marshal Law crowd. I highly recommend you read the Presidential Orders surrounding this. If the language in them is beyond your ability to understand, find someone who can help with understanding them. There are some serious Constitutional Issues to address in regards to them, but this Marshal Law insanity just makes it worse. It makes us look like crackpots, which apparently a few of us are.

The president has the right to declare martial law. Whether he will or not is anyone’s guess.

Deny ignorance by researching topics beforehand. Find good sources. Don't place any credence in sources started by and for crackpots (for lack of a better word).

The sky is not falling yet, but if it ever does, nobody will believe us because of all these crackpot threads. Makes us look like fools to the general thinking population.

Deny ignorance means that when no one is getting accurate information, we speculate and determine worst case scenarios. Then we plan for the worst and hope for the best. If you think that these threads are crackpot perhaps you are in the wrong forum.

reply to post by SWCCFAN


Several of my friends are out there working as well, and there is rarely a BP person for miles. 100's of fishing boats from my area have contracted to lay boom and assist in the clean up and they got about 1 days orientation and then turned loose. They can do just about whatever they want out there on the water. If they want to wear extra gear, nobody is going to stop them.

It is possible that they signed some things that said they wouldn't wear it, and it is possible that BP wouldn't like the bad photo ops, but there have already been photos of people on the beach in biosuits, so the harm is already done.

From Professor Joye's blog, she was encouraged to take air monitoring equipment and protective gear.

There are plenty of conspiracies in play here, but I don't believe the fumes or the banning of protective gear is one of them.

reply to post by getreadyalready

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by SWCCFAN

 

From Professor Joye's blog, she was encouraged to take air monitoring equipment and protective gear.

There are plenty of conspiracies in play here, but I don't believe the fumes or the banning of protective gear is one of them.

This is a conspiracy site, what we discuss are conspiracies. I think that exploring all aplicable conspiracies related to a subject makes us more aware and more prepared.

As far as PPE goes, I used to hate it. It often makes the job more difficult and more uncomfortable. But I am also reminded that the EPA claimed that the air quality at ground zero was well within normal parameters. We now know how accurate that assesment was.

I'm not ready to cry OMG OMG!!! but I'm not going to accept anything on face value. I like to question everything and that often means going into subject areas that some see as 'crackpot'.

I'm an absolute neutral in the case of Obama.
So far Obamas speech sounds like a band-aid for a decapitation.
Far better than an anouncement of martial law though.
What a great speaker. He nailed it as far as performance.

reply to post by darkelf


Hi Darkelf,

I noticed the ones getting sick are those on the boats directly over the water. I think that needs to be factored in. As to long term effects, I agree but we may never know. Such things are often impossible to gauge. I'd guess that anyone working in an auto-mechanics shop is exposed to far more in a month than anyone will be that is exposed to this before the toxins dissipate.

Regarding the FEMA Camps. Most of the claimed camps are in accessable area's and yet, nobody can provide proof. That to me is proof. As to those in Alaska, I fell for that originally. It did not take me long to find out a couple were fiction and the rest have been debunked since.

For instance the one in the wilderness east of Anchorage accessible only by train or air. That area is overflown by tourist and locals many times a day and no railroad tracks exist. What they claimed as tracks were from viewing aerial photo's of a power line which is the only thing leading that direction.

Now to the one Northeast of Anchorage. I've flown over that area in small planes more than once. Anyone who rides a train has a clear view of that location. The camp simply does not exist. That is the one that can hold 2,000,000 they say.

I think the truth is that when it was exposed that the one in the wilderness east of here was debunked, they simply changed the story to the one to the Northeast where the train tracks really are. I find that enlightening also.

Knowing for a fact those are both fiction or the product of purposeful lies, I can't help but come to the point I doubt it all.

As to the Presidential Orders and their meaning, every time I read it argued the content of these orders is taken out of context or flat out misrepresented. When people try to have a sensible discussion of them, in context, they are ignored by the sensationalist crowd that seems to want the government to do these things. You simply can not have a reasonable conversation due to the hysterics.

These Presidential Orders I see as the real conspiracy, but not in the way they are being falsely presented.

We are an advanced, highly educated people. The idea that the government could round us all up and that the people they would need to do so, would even be willing, is on its face insane and the product of pure histrionics. They can only manipulate us in a direction we are willing to be manipulated. They do this all the time by the way.

I am not in the wrong forum and I think you see this from a different viewpoint than I do. We should eliminate the nonsense as quickly as possible so we can explore the real issues. Look at all the brain power being wasted and the people who could add to these discussions that are being chased away.

The end goal should be to uncover truths and expose the public to them. You don't do that by simply saying if you don't agree, you don't belong here as that is the antithesis of denying ignorance.

In my mind, the only true conspiracy theorist is a Skeptic. Those who think its all true no matter how outlandish, don't care if its true or not as they have an agenda. The hardcore Disinformation people also have an agenda to misdirect. Only the Skeptic is capable of getting at the TRUTH.

By the way, thank you for your reasonable response.

reply to post by darkelf


man these dumbasses couldn't stop rapes in the superdome

if they start relocating people all hell will break loose.

those southerners are fighters, they won't allow the US to bully them without fighting back

reply to post by Blaine91555


Thanks for your participation. I have no problems with skeptics as they are needed to help point out where we may have misunderstood a subject.

I do not live in the gulf any longer, but I have spent many years down there in the Pensacola, NOLA, and finally the Corpus Christi area. I still have many family and friends in those areas. I feel it is my duty to find out as much information as I possibly can to present to those loved ones. And this is why I start and engage in these threads.

Years ago, I used to work with groups that used a process called 'brainstorming'. No idea was off limits. After all ideas were exhausted, then we would determine their viability. That is how I am approaching this crisis. Nothing is off limits at the moment and I am willing to explore every idea no matter how crackpot it may sound.

Keep up the healthy skepticism though, because that is the only way we will be able to sift through all of this.