World Cup fans executed

reply to post by mobiusmale


Thank you for mentioning this and drawing a comparison between Islam and the Inquisition. You just hit the nail on the head.

That is the difference between Christianity and Islam: Christianity did some dreadful things in the past, but would come to condemn its own actions in time, and would never again repeat them. In other words, Christianity grew up and left a dark, evil legacy of murder behind. Islam is still trying to enforce the religion the way radical religions were enforced in the dark ages.

It simply does not translate this way into modern society. Now that man has evolved (spiritually, as well as technologically), and people have a true sense of what IS and what is NOT freedom, methods of the dark ages will no longer be tolerated (not to the extent it used to be, anyway). You can't un-ring a bell, as they say.

i am no soccer fan, but it's a shame things like this happen in relation to events like the world cup or the olympics, seems like these events are to show that nomatter our differences we can all get together and enjoy the same thing... then people go and ruin it like this...

Originally posted by Atomic Honey
reply to post by mobiusmale

 

Thank you for mentioning this and drawing a comparison between Islam and the Inquisition. You just hit the nail on the head.

That is the difference between Christianity and Islam: Christianity did some dreadful things in the past, but would come to condemn its own actions in time, and would never again repeat them. In other words, Christianity grew up and left a dark, evil legacy of murder behind. Islam is still trying to enforce the religion the way radical religions were enforced in the dark ages.

It simply does not translate this way into modern society. Now that man has evolved (spiritually, as well as technologically), and people have a true sense of what IS and what is NOT freedom, methods of the dark ages will no longer be tolerated (not to the extent it used to be, anyway). You can't un-ring a bell, as they say.

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Realy? and what about the Pedo Roman Church? Preying on children then covering it up. Kettle, Pot, black springs to mind.

The religion of peace?

And people wonder why we are adamant that we do not want any aspect of Sharia Law being permitted here.

Originally posted by Master Shen long

Originally posted by Atomic Honey
reply to post by mobiusmale

 

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Realy? and what about the Pedo Roman Church? Preying on children then covering it up. Kettle, Pot, black springs to mind.

I knew that was going to come up, just a couple minutes later than I thought.

1.No Christian church of any kind--even the Catholic church condones molestation. I'm not saying nothing's ever been covered-up and that everyone in the churches are innocent--but that's a far cry from not only condoning but in fact encouraging, and sometimes even mandating the murder of human beings.

2.The child molestation, as far as I know has been pretty much reserved for the Catholic church--at least according to the stereotype. The Catholics are but one part of Christianity. Christianity on the whole has its isolated nut-jobs as do all faiths, and even atheists. Murder is NEVER condoned within any denomination of Christian churches to the best of my knowledge. As a matter of fact, I don't believe Buddhism and Hinduism condone murder either (though I'm not up too much on those religions).

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Did Mohammed tell people they couldn't watch soccer? Just wondering!

IRM

It'd be quite a shock to the Nigerians if he did - half the country and a good chunk of their team are Muslim.




[edit on 15-6-2010 by vox2442]

Yet another fail to the propaganda dept then. As Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and a few other islamic countries all have national teams and have qualified a few times over the years for the world cup. And yes they do watch the world cup in islamic countries. Its sad that 2 people were murdered over a game. But it doesnt justify turning their deaths into propaganda just so the "good christians" in the west can continue their "war on terror" and illegal / immoral wars for profit in iraq and afghanistan. Christianity has a long bloodsoaked history that continues even today..

Originally posted by Expat888
Yet another fail to the propaganda dept then. As Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and a few other islamic countries all have national teams and have qualified a few times over the years for the world cup.

Since when are Jordan and Egypt Islamic states. Do you actually know the meaning of an 'Islamic state'?

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by Mdv2

 

Did Mohammed tell people they couldn't watch soccer? Just wondering!

IRM

I think you misunderstood me.

Muhammed did not, but this is nevertheless a murder with a religious motive and not a simple homicide as some people like to pretend. Many Islamic states deliberately apply Sharia Law to their individual interpretation in order to use it as a tool of suppression. Iran and Saudi-Arabia are good examples of Islamic states that use Sharia law to instill fear on their people and hence, stifle the chance of a revolution.

These Islamic miliants are no different. They rule through suppression and use Sharia Law as a tool to keep people under control.

why ? I mean just why ?

Pointless total Insanity.... F'ing Sharian Law my ass

and please dont start saying "but the catholics did.... and the christians can do...." which a couple of you have done already

this has nothing to do with them ! this form of Islam (it is a form of Islam whether you say its not, accept it and stop saying it isnt that irritates me) is becoming more and more popular

I fear for the future

also it quoted in the story "Hizbul Islam had previously invited Osama bin Laden to Somali."

I believe Osama was spotted at an Arsenal game in London (while he was at uni) years before he came the worlds most wanted man, so i think he will be watching the wrold cup in his cave ! Most probably cheering on Algeria

reply to post by Atomic Honey

Originally posted by Atomic Honey
Christianity did some dreadful things in the past, but would come to condemn its own actions in time, and would never again repeat them. In other words, Christianity grew up and left a dark, evil legacy of murder behind.

Oh please... The Vatican continues to be a powerful geopolitical force and makes its actions under the guise of 'Christianity'. What crimes you say, what atrocities?

1. The continuing destruction of Orthodoxy
2. The 'situation' in Africa
3. The NAZI 'situation'

etc. I could go on but I rather not list more. Let's not automatically try and deduce which religion is worse when its quite clear that one is a lot more covert in its actions than the other.

ETA: I think its horrible what has happened to these people. Ultimately it does come down to the Jihadist mentality of the ruling powers in Somalia which has caused this, no one can deny that. But, these problems stem down much further than this morbid Islamic ideology.

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Who needs to fabricate anti-fundamentalist-Islamic propaganda messages when...

Sheikh Mohamed Abdi Aros, a spokesman for the militants, said that, "We are warning all the youth of Somalia not to dare watch these World Cup matches." He said that the people of Somalia should focus on pursuing jihad and not, "watching mad men jump up and down."

Apologists crack me up.

Here's an idea. If the vast majority of Muslims do not support the messages of hate, the violent fatwas, the calls to violent jihad, that are constantly being spewed by Imams all around the world...why not break away and form a new branch of Islam that follows only the teachings that promote harmony and peace.

Let this great majority say in a loud voice that they are going to distance themselves from the teaching that involve killing, and oppression and slavery and other forms of violence. Call it, I don't know, the "New Islamic Religion of Peace".

Walk away from the violence preaching mosques, and build new ones dedicated to following the peaceful teachings of Mohammed (before he turned bitter and angry later in his religious life).

But this won't happen.

And if they did...what would be the penalty imposed by the mainstream Muslim leaders, for those trying to create a new beginning for Peace's sake?

You guessed it....

Originally posted by mobiusmale
reply to post by Expat888

 

And if they did...what would be the penalty imposed by the mainstream Muslim leaders, for those trying to create a new beginning for Peace's sake?

You guessed it....

So what do you prupose we should do with 1/3 of this planets population who are muslims?

Nuke em all up?

Originally posted by Doujutsu

Originally posted by mobiusmale
reply to post by Expat888

 

And if they did...what would be the penalty imposed by the mainstream Muslim leaders, for those trying to create a new beginning for Peace's sake?

You guessed it....

So what do you prupose we should do with 1/3 of this planets population who are muslims?

Nuke em all up?

Im sure thats what they want to do to the west!

Say what you want about the West, at least we are permitted to watch the world's most popular sport...without the fear of decapitation.

[edit on 15/6/2010 by Dark Ghost]

Don't worry, with the way things are going here in the US because of the way we are loosing our freedom, and passing laws like the patriot act it won't be very long till the US is doing similar things. Just not as extreme.

Originally posted by Doujutsu
So what do you prupose we should do with 1/3 of this planets population who are muslims?

Nuke em all up?

Not unless we can manage to get them all to stand in one spot...

JUST KIDDING !!!

1) There is very little that we can do most of the time, in Islamic countries, other than try to teach them tolerance and to apply pressure in different ways to be kinder and gentler to their own people. Perhaps much in the same way that we ought to try to persuade Dictators and Communist regimes to adopt better human rights practices.

2) Inside our own Countries (assuming you live in a free(er?) Western society Country like the USA, Canada, Australia, England, France, etc.), we need to have an absolutely zero tolerance policy when it comes to hate speech and hate action.

Muslims/Christians/Anti-abortionists who meet to plot a bomb attack? Zero tolerance. Throw away the key.

Imams/Ministers/Priests/Rabis/Other who use their "pulpit" to preach or teach or incite violence, or the breaking of any local country laws...no matter if such action is advocated in a "Holy Book" of some kind. Zero tolerance. Throw away the key.

Any individual religious location, where a leader has been found guilty of encouraging others to break the law (from murder on down), should lose their tax-free status, and all other special legal priveleges. If it happens twice, the location must be closed.

3) In each Country an exhaustive review of all tenets and teachings of every religion should be conducted. All tenets, rulings, instructions found to be clearly outside of the law, or to be clearly unconstitutional should be identified as such, and be subject to legal action if they are taught in such as way as to suggest followers should conduct such illegal activities (not just talking about them in an historical context...but advocating for them).

4) Severe restrictions and sanctions should be placed on Countries who openly espouse anti-humanitarian beliefs...particularly if they promote the export of these beliefs (as Islam does).

In other words, let's respect people's right to worship as they please, within reasonable constitutional bounds. Religious practices that are contrary to national or international standards of decency, or legality should not be tolerated. Period.

Complicated? Sure. Messy? Maybe. Very difficult to sort out Country to Country? As always.

But, bottom line, we need to stop giving a free pass to people, just because they claim to be following the teachings of their religion. All religions... not just Islam!

But yes, absolutely positively the brakes need to be put on the modern brand of Islam that is causing so much death and destruction around the world.

If it is illegal for me, it is illegal for you...don't care if your Imam says that your great book says its ok for you to cut of my grandma's head for something or another.

Just stop !!! Or the world needs to stop you.

reply to post by mobiusmale


The most extremist brand of islam Wahabism/Salafism originates from Saudi Arabia.The same country that has the closest relation with US after israel and the same country that practises Sharia law to the max.And also the same country that gave birth to Osama and his 9/11 plane hijacking pals.Yet no one pays attention to that?

If we want to see a change than we need to start from the roots.

Why do I get the feeling this (in part) might have had something to do with it?
This kind of influence...



Regardless, they knew they could have been killed.

If it was important enough to them to take the risk then my hat is off to them.

More people need to risk all for what they believe in - win or loose - I'm telling ya, THAT is life, it's when you're really alive, living for what you believe in come what may and to hell with the rest...

In my opinion they're HEROES!

You're a good soldier
Choosing your battles
Pick yourself up
And dust yourself off
Get back in the saddle

You're on the front line
Everyone's watching
You know it's serious
We are getting closer
This isn't over

The pressure is on
You feel it
But you got it all
Believe it

May they Rest in Peace

peace

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reply to post by Doujutsu

I could not agree with you more.

The Saudi Royal family is duplicitous in the extreme. They have allowed a very extreme brand of Islam to be practiced within their borders, to save their own skins...and have looked the other way (or helped) while it is being exported.

All the while they try to look benign and pro-West.

They need to "grow some", if they want to be treated as equal partners in the West, and stand up against the excesses of extreme Islam.

This is unlikely due to very well founded fears that they (as individuals) will be exterminated by the extremists.

So...for us, we must play along with them economically, but put very severe restrictions on their ability to invest in religious infrastructure inside of our Countries.

Ultimately, (perhaps after we have other reliable sources of energy) we will have to draw a line in the sand with them.

This situation is, and will be, a real challenge.

Originally posted by tezzajw
While they engage in killing each other, they're not much of a threat to others.

Bug out of their country and let them live their enslaved lives as they wish.

It is not possible to force rational thought upon them.

In their region, they're using religion to dictate law and order. In the West, we use the courts. Same difference. Meh...

I'd have no problem with that if THEY WOULD STAY IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES!!! Problem is that they also believe that their religion requires them to spread it through out the world.