***SECRET BONE CHILLING – EPA Gulf of Mexico LIVE & DEATH Report***

Originally posted by JakiusFogg

Originally posted by Antoniastar


EXTREME ALERT - Gulf Coast Evacuation!!
www.youtube.com...

"God bless you. Be prepared. Stay alert". (conclusion from video)

[edit on 14-6-2010 by Antoniastar]

You know, I though this was going somewhere, but as soon as I heard the words "given in a vision from our lord and saviour" it just had to get turned off. To be honest if this situation IS TRUE and happening live. The more people that take this SERIOUSLY is more important than pushing some psuedo religious agenda. Stuff like this will just turn more people off and potentially make them ingore VITAL information!

Hi JakiusFogg,

Yes I see your point. As I did before I posted the link to the vid. While watching the vid guess what? It didn't make me want to get down on my knees and repent of my sins or hypnotize me to go to church next Sunday. I gleaned the info that I think is pertinent to the situation. It's not about religion, even though the speaker is coming from a spiritual slant.

You do what feels comfortable for you, fine. But please let others choose for themselves what feels comfortable for them. It's not like I'm walking around ringing a bell and yelling, "Bring out your dead...the dark one is coming!!"

Ya know, I'm wondering now, with such a negative response (from you)...whether there is something in that vid that's better left unsaid.

HM...

Toni

[edit on 15-6-2010 by Antoniastar]

reply to post by dalepmay

if you look back hrough the thread
we have the measurements on the dates mentioned at the amounts mentioned

the date on the epa link has been updated since when I posted
it was for thursday last, the copy on my post was from then as the other posters saw on the link as well, hence the debat about conversion not about the readings
the date on the epa link now is YESTERDAY the 14 june 10

depending on which way the wind is blowing from the spill will affect the measurements

also being heavier then air
altitude will play a part too

please see Apachemans thread on methane which we didn't even deal with at all on this thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...

for the longest time the EPA was only showing OZONE so they just didn't show the higher concentration to the public

making this about AJ is so odd


[edit on 15-6-2010 by Danbones]

Does anyone know how far inland the affected air can move? I live about 180-200 miles north of the coast of LA. Anything I need to worry about? Air-wise I mean.


Edit to correct mileage: I live about 300 miles from the coast! Sorry, long day, dull brain.

[edit on 6/15/10 by jennybee35]

we aren't sure
poeple in alabama 20 miles in reported that the air smelled like wd 40 like being in a shop full of harlies

so read the threads for the indicators and if you encounter them then..
I just found the PDF that has the air quality for a two week spread for various locations through the gulf states

Im to tired to deal with it tonight but it certainly shows how the measurements change Day to day

for the Jones hater here is one of the days where the measurement was as stated from thr epa on the DATE SHOWN

C04‐20100602‐1331‐24 6/3/2010 71‐43‐2 Benzene 1.200 ug/M3

Benzene in the sample exceeded the US EPA Region 6 Screening Level of .250 ug/m3, the state of North Carolina’s legally enforceable annual standard of .120 ug/m3

you guys are so worried about jones
he is such a fraction of the info it just boggles the mind



[edit on 15-6-2010 by Danbones]

Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned
I have three threads trying to warn people about the air quality. Not trying to derail, but I have done a lot of research into this.

This one shows that EPA is showing ozone and pm2.5 levels, but hiding VOC levels
www.abovetopsecret.com...

This one, shows the EPA is monitoring two chemicals in the Corexit Dispersant.
They were updating everyday, and haven't updated in 8 days. Last day updated, levels were rising at alarming rates.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Another one showing high ozone levels on Texas coast.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Why is a warning at least not being sounded?

[edit on 14-6-2010 by OurskiesRpoisoned]

EPA doesn't like to give the results to the common man or they are truly inept at what they do. Anyone recall this:

I'm glad to reassure the people of New York that their air is safe to breathe.

- Christine Todd Whitman, 9/18/2001?

Yes, they are prepping for evac, and there is obviously a full media blackout, not imposed by the gov't, but by BP. They want to wait to the last minute so they don't create fear.

Anyone in the area keeping an eye on birds and other wildlife? Surely they would be affected first. I'm not talking water fowl...I'm talking about anything that you would feed in your backyard feeders.

Thanks, Doyder

reply to post by Gold_Bug


Dude,

All those gasses are as bad as you say but they are also lighter than air and will rise eventually way up in the sky. So we might just see a short term epidemic of sorts as you say but the ozone thingie will be affected later. This part is always bad news of course. I mean, when is news of the ozone layer good?

Well I am ready to live without a car. Anyone else?

Sigh...

(at 5:51) “This is the Environmental Protection Agency, they went to the gulf, the made their test, and they found coming out with the oil are some of the most toxic compounds and gasses, they’re in the are in the air, they are flammable, they are toxic and I’m going to name them for you. And, give you the report right from the Environmental Protection Agency.”

Except toxic they are also flammable. So, all it takes is some "terrorist" light a car near the area, or hijack a drone and everything will start to fit in place, right?

reply to post by justadood


Your right in large volumes they don't mix. But I'm talking about at vapor. I'm sure when the water evaporates off the sea it would have to pass through the layer of oil on the surface to reach the atmosphere. Surely some toxins would leech into the vapor?

reply to post by mel0101


I've never been able to understand the 'can't tell the people' mentality!

Talk about ridiculous.

So..people are going to panic are they? Yeah...and? So bleeding what!

A few people are going to be trampled to death, and shops are going to be looted are they? Yeah, so what?!

How many people and businesses are going to die and go under by NOT being told the truth?

How many people are going to have ZERO chance to get themselves out of the way of toxic clouds of chemicals, and huge areas of land blanketed in suffocating natural gas, which will displace all of the breathable OXYGEN available to humans and animals?

Yes, some will die if there happens to be a panic, but many, many more people WILL DIE if they are are kept in deliberate ignorance of the real danger they and their families face.

Apart from hugely obvious aspects like that, it's outrageously patronizing and insulting, to imagine the majority of grown people cannot handle the truth of a thing.

TELL THE PEOPLE, and let the chips fall where they may.

It IS the right thing to do..and sooner rather than later.

I would be very aware of this first possible storm....could be this is what the Gov is getting ready for. It is inevitable that they will come

www.nhc.noaa.gov...

Be well and drive north

Benzene is toxic, bu the good and the bad news is; it's already in your gasoline. About half the stuff you put in your tank would be a toxic waste with no use whatsoever -- but it's allowed to be there so that Big Oil doesn't have to dispose of it. So, yeah, the sooner we get off carbon fuels the better.

Hydrogen Sulfide gas is not THAT toxic afaik -- they let kids make it in chemistry sets. Smells like hell or farts. It's even in what is called "egg water" that you drink in some wells in Florida.

The other stuff mentioned -- not so sure. I'm not a fan of this oil gusher -- but I suppose that when there are undersea volcanoes -- they also put out pretty toxic stuff. Just not Crude oil and not in the Gulf where it already has such a low oxygen content.

Anyway, I figure next year or the year after is when the BAD stuff hits -- and it will be all natural. After all that dead material sits in the Gulf, it's going to make the biggest "red tide" the world has ever seen. There are primitive algae that were in the oceans before Oxygen was a gas animals breathed. And Australia has some experience with this... these particular algae give off spores that act like a neurotoxin to people and animals.

So the "evacuations" will probably be next year or the year after. People in Birmingham Alabama or Savannah Georgia have already lived with doses of Hydrogen Sulfide and other such byproducts of industry for years. It's not healthy -- but we are all supposed to be surprised when people get cancer -- because there are a thousand sources of it and they are almost all preventable.

I don't think it's time to panic yet -- but I would sure as hell move from the Gulf Coast BEFORE you have to.

reply to post by spikey


I think the "don't panic" is about letting the Insiders sell their crap before the rabble. It's also for the rest of the country, so that little by little, this country can fall into a third world Corporate state in a natural way; you just don't respond to disasters and never have "money available" to fix things.

No, we've got money for 700+ military bases around the world and to hunt for Bin Laden for 8 years at about $1 Trillion a year.

The economic impact of this Gulf Oil Gusher is estimated at $1.4 Trillion. So, BP is going to "compensate all legitimate claims" and provide jobs? They are going to cost us more than they've ever "done for us" if you mean by being helpful we invaded Iraq and over throw the elected leader in Iran to install the Shah so they could get cheap oil (not the only company at the hog trough).

You just don't hear about places in America that have "gone dark" anymore. You go about your business and day-to-day. One town over, they've shuttered all the stores -- but that's just one little unfortunate event -- until it hits your town.

I don't think there NEEDs to be an evacuation of the Gulf area -- yet. Like I mentioned, it will probably be red-tides from toxic algae that cause the real problem.

The REAL environmental disaster is due to us losing our Democracy and representation. Everywhere that people have control -- the environment is treated better. You think anyone would VOTE for a paper factory or coal mine in their own back yard if they could get good jobs doing something else? I'm going to be much happier having a wind mill construction plant than I will be having a refinery -- and I think anyone being honest about their back yard would say the same even if they don't think wind mills are a good idea.

The real problem with the Gulf Oil Gusher is the long-term environmental impact downstream of there, and the economic impact on fishing, the harbors, on everything connected to the coastline -- that Gulf economy is dead. This is the COST of being cheap on "no regulations" and unfettered capitalism. Everybody's retirement fund lost about 50% of it's value in late 2008 because the Banksters got to lobby congress with billions of dollars to repeal laws that didn't allow them to "make the same damn mistakes" that resulted in $38 Billion in bonuses this past year. "Yeah -- OOPS, a lot of money fell into my pocket but it looks like your account went belly up Mr. Gullible -- so sorry!"

BP and Dick Cheney wrote the regulations they follow and so they got to skip having to drill an extra well -- which they are drilling now to attempt to shut off the spill. They got to skip an Acoustic Blowout Preventer for $250,000. Seems pretty cheap now that we are looking at $1.4 Trillion in damages. It has really been short sighted this concept of "saving tax dollars" by getting de-regulating (only the stuff that is useful), and getting Big Government off industries backs (but not off start-up companies). Most of these regulations like Oxely Sarbanes are supported by the HUGE Multinationals -- because it creates barriers to entry for small competitors.

Anyway -- you can save money on your car by never changing your oil -- in the short term. But it's not a good idea.

What you are seeing is how in a 3rd world country that cannot control the Big Criminals, how everything turns to crap one disaster at a time. Haiti had an earthquake that killed thousands and destroyed an entire city -- that same earth quake in Los Angeles, causes traffic delays and broken pots -- why? Building Codes and housing regulations forced down the throats of construction companies who'd rather charge you the same money for a building without steel in it.

The disaster we are seeing in the Gulf is just pure Capitalism -- and you were only taught about the GOOD stuff it can get you. Now you are seeing it from the eyes of the Third World. It's just our turn folks.

I just had to mention that when I first read this thread with its air quality reports, I started freaking out. In a panic, I started researching hydrogen sulfide.

0.00047 ppm is the recognition threshold, the concentration at which 50% of humans can detect the characteristic odor of hydrogen sulfide,[12] normally described as resembling "a rotten egg". Less than 10 ppm has an exposure limit of 8 hours per day. 10–20 ppm is the borderline concentration for eye irritation. ...

1000 ppb is 1 ppm. With that, you could have 10000 ppb and still be exposed for 8 hours per day.

I guess I won't cancel my Georgia vacation.

reply to post by trailertrash


Hydrogen Sulfide Kills
By Mary Gayman
Forewarned is forearmed


Hydrogen sulfide (H2S) gas is normally heavier than air,
Our two sons, Todd and Brett, discovered their friends and co-workers, Michael Skinner and Horatio Bonahora in the bottom of a manhole on January 13, 1984. The cause of their deaths has led to continuing efforts at educating others on little known aspects of H2S dangers.

www.swopnet.com...

as I said the average person in america has the science education of a 12 year old
that a stat not my opinion
no offence indended


[edit on 15-6-2010 by Danbones]

What benzene is
Benzene is a chemical that is a colorless or light yellow liquid at room temperature. It has a sweet odor and is highly flammable.
Benzene evaporates into the air very quickly. Its vapor is heavier than air and may sink into low-lying areas.
Benzene dissolves only slightly in water and will float on top of water.

www.bt.cdc.gov...

Did anyone give this video already?

www.youtube.com...

This is coming from EPA scientists, and at least one independent scientist who are saying any exposure to the amount of gases which they have been monitoring and are coming from the leak is a health concern and will cause problems for people.

This morning i woke up and went to get breakfast when suddenly i felt weird then all i could see was nothing but weird colored lights everywhere and then after 10 seconds slowly i could see regularly again,a headache followed for a little while longer , it lasted for 20 seconds.
Could this be a result of this oil "volcano"?

[edit on 15-6-2010 by Nogard2012]

A LOT of those gasses, are HEAVIER than air. That means, they DISPLACE BREATHEABLE AIR. Having worked in the "water/wastewater treatment" industry, I am aware of SAFETY PRECAUTIONS, about climbing down, into closed, underground areas, YOU ALWAYS TEST THE AIR FIRST- or wear an air-pack!! If you don't, and the area is depleted of oxygen?? You climb down. Start feeling dizzy, pass-out. Someone above sees you, and climbs-down, to help- they pass-out, and both end-up DEAD. WE ALWAYS WORE AIR-PACKS, and had SAFETY LINES ATTACHED, when going "underground".
SOOO- WHEN a big storm blows from the South- watch-out, you poor coastal/inland people!!
I have family, in Baton Rouge. I worry. Yes- I even pray.