New Orleans TV station WDSU confirms via VIDEO BP blocking access to workers on Grand Isle

Originally posted by janon
Wow is this really The United States!? I don't understand how a private security force can close a public beach?

Why is didn't the sheriff do something? Even he seemed to me out of the loop. How can he walk (drive) away from this with a clear conscience without getting questions answered? Who is at the wheel of this train wreck country?

Spot on, spot on. The sheriff left without a good answer to his questions. The sheriff didn't even ask for the mans identification either, that alone could have gotten the man arrested for obstructing an investigation an investigation into why they are stopping or impeding the media from going where they want to go on a public beach. I hate to tell you this, but I think its more than money and jobs. Because both the "supervisors" and the people doing the cleaning up where scared. Another reason why I think it's more to do with being threatened (bodily) than losing a job is that with this controversy being stirred up, you mean to tell me that nobody hasn't called into the station or the reporters cell phone or even talked off camera in a restaurant. I believe it's a combination of two things, one since the majority of the individuals are black they may have told them (both govt. and company) through community leaders or whatnot that they media is trying to make Obama look bad so don't give them no information. Two if that doesn't work all the way they are threatened and have signed papers saying that if they even discuss this incident they will be sued and/or arrested and in private bodily harmed if they talk about what is going on.

This spill is alot worse and they are doing everything they can to keep it real quiet and the last thing they want is somebody saying that it's bad. And it has to be the govt. behind a bunch of this because they are the only ones that could quiet a bunch of people, people still talk even when the govt. says no. But just a company, no way.

I'm a texan, and i know what to do. it's not take "get out , i don't know who i answer to" c'mon....this takes a group effort....with a strat! hello

ON you tube, (nuclear option for oil spill), its in the news check out you tube.

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Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by spirit_horse

 

From my experience and background these "security guys" look, act, and sound like military special forces. I'd just about bet money on it.

You know...I wasn't going to mention it, but after reading your post I too came to that exact same conclusion. Only difference is I WAS military SF for 8 out of my 20 year U.S. Naval career (recruited and assigned to JSOC or Joint Special Operations Command from 1998 till 2004 at which time I went on permanent "shore duty" after complications due to injuries I sustained outside Kandahar, Afghanistan until I retired with 20 years in June of last year).

ANYWAYS...I immediately thought Army Rangers possibly with that 1st "kid". All I know is that...and I willing to also bet money is that the dude IS MILITARY, OR WAS MILITARY with how he handled himself, and most importantly how he addressed the reporter WITHOUT A DOUBT! I spent a good amount of time working with Rangers at Yongsan Army Garrison Seoul Korea conducting RECON/Surveillance as well as "other" operations for weeks at a time on the DMZ, and again...this guy screamed current/prior military.

My .02 (but my Springfield XD-9 came into my local gun store today, and my special order Glock 34 should be in this week...so umm yea I am preparing ;-)

reply to post by hoghead cheese


The deputy sheriff or sheriff whatever he was, knew exactly what was going on and was playing dumb. I promise you his oath will be challenged in the days to come. He will have to be a full team player or resign from the force. His playing stupid just kept the news guy off his back.
seeashrink

reply to post by Newbomb Turk



Agreed. I am a police officer and I have helped train Army SF for the last several years in the civilian sector. I am also prior service but not special forces. They certainly walked the walk and talked the talk. I watched the video three times just to make sure I wasn't having a knee-jerk reaction.
Seeashrink

Edit to say: Don't think I'm crazy, but the first guy even looked like one of the guys I helped train.

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I sure hope they don't use a nuke like russia did. I'M no professional, but that sounds risky.

Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by Newbomb Turk

 

Agreed. I am a police officer and I have helped train Army SF for the last several years in the civilian sector. I am also prior service but not special forces. They certainly walked the walk and talked the talk. I watched the video three times just to make sure I wasn't having a knee-jerk reaction.
Seeashrink

Edit to say: Don't think I'm crazy, but the first guy even looked like one of the guys I helped train.

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I had not thought about it till you guys brought it up but then after i read your posts it dawned on me he said they were told to "Protect the beach" and keep it safe... That is definitely military jargon no? Protect the beach from what? Reporters and civilians? And the fact he wouldn't say who he worked for. Perhaps the military is putting thier people in there under cover as security etc.

Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by hoghead cheese

 

The deputy sheriff or sheriff whatever he was, knew exactly what was going on and was playing dumb. I promise you his oath will be challenged in the days to come. He will have to be a full team player or resign from the force. His playing stupid just kept the news guy off his back.
seeashrink

Now hang on a sec guys....I wouldn't be so quick to judge the cop here. Why? Well from what I saw...the reporter was getting jerked around by this overzealous rent-a-cop (or covert SF we don't really know), but then it fast forwards/cuts to the cop arriving and then showed the cop asking a couple of questions....THEN it CUT AGAIN to the reporter NOW BEING ABLE TO AT LEAST APPROACH THE BREAK AREA TO ASK QUESTIONS.

If you remember...that lil gung ho punk ass in the beginning wouldn't even allow the reporter to take 3 steps...and then you actually see him asking some questions at the break area. So I actually took it as the cop might have very well put that 1st punk in his place (because I also think that I saw that it was mr. jerkoff's sidekick telling the workers that they didn't have to say anything if they didn't "want" to...where did the 1st jackass go?).

The cop might of had his ass pulled aside schooling him for all we know....ya know? And maybe that cop handed that dude his ass and out of respect the reporter chose NOT to include that in the final clip? I dunno...just feel that we don't have enough info to convict this cop and accuse him of not upholding his oath...something I took VERY seriously when I joined the military, and STILL take seriously as a retiree...we should extend that same attitude to the cop until we are given something that proves otherwise...just my .02 ;-)

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by Newbomb Turk

 

Agreed. I am a police officer and I have helped train Army SF for the last several years in the civilian sector. I am also prior service but not special forces. They certainly walked the walk and talked the talk. I watched the video three times just to make sure I wasn't having a knee-jerk reaction.
Seeashrink

Edit to say: Don't think I'm crazy, but the first guy even looked like one of the guys I helped train.

[edit on 13-6-2010 by seeashrink]

I had not thought about it till you guys brought it up but then after i read your posts it dawned on me he said they were told to "Protect the beach" and keep it safe... That is definitely military jargon no? Protect the beach from what? Reporters and civilians? And the fact he wouldn't say who he worked for. Perhaps the military is putting thier people in there under cover as security etc.

And you would be affirmative in your assessment there ghostrider...beach is protected, and all secure...no civilian casualties to report, awaiting final BDA at this time, no additional amplifying information for this report, how copy over?

The jargon was definitely present ;-)

I would like to show you all a community news page from Ft Myers FLa, a statement from Governor Crist, My bro in law lives there and was telling us that they have measures in place already, he was telling us that tar balls, oil streams, ect have been showing up but that the efforts to contain were swift and had been, so far, very successful. The efforts are a coordination between the fla state depts and BP approved workers, it outlines the entire plan, concerns do include air quality. Please take the time to read this.

www.fortmyersbeachtalk.com... s.html?nav=5051

Originally posted by Elieser
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

 

The sheriff on the 4 wheeler asked them as well and they said town security, then he asks "who is employing town security?", the response was something like "I cant...." "We've been instructed not to discuss that".

Actually, he said 'Talon Security'

On their website, it says that they will stop all unwanted access from the clients property - So BP own the beach now?

Originally posted by Elieser
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

 

The sheriff on the 4 wheeler asked them as well and they said town security, then he asks "who is employing town security?", the response was something like "I cant...." "We've been instructed not to discuss that".

They said Talon Security, not town security. A google search will show several companies that use that name. There is also this link on the first page of google that I found interesting: e-mail from 2000 on skeptictank


The official site for talon security: TSS

reply to post by Newbomb Turk


Point well taken. I just don't know. Speaking as a cop, I don't trust half the cops I know in this county. I hope you are right, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Seeashrink

reply to post by seeashrink


I hear ya, it takes a criminal mind to be a good cop, so the badge is the only difference between the two.

I am wondering why a you tube video is being taken seriously here, it could be a fake?!

Anyone with a camera can fake a vid now, I have to say I am shocked, this is ATS, and not one person on this thread has questioned the validity of the video in question.

Why would someone make such a fake vid? To promote hate, against BP and the government, to promote fear, ect. It is done all the time.

Some very professional looking videos on you tube are fake, including of the moon and planets, science experiments, aliens, oh the list could go on for days.....

reply to post by space cadet


Agreed, I am by no means an expert in videography. It very well could be a fake. If so, its some excellant acting. It seemed very impromptu to me.
Anything is possible, it didn't feel fake, but I have been fooled before.
seeashrink

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

So where are those people denying that this is true now? Why is BP above the LAW?

since when the government or any private company can prohibit to:

1) speak to anyone you want
2) walk freely into a public beach

This is so alarming. this morons only following order and its all due to not hurt BP stock value on the market. If anyone has BP shares please sell them as they need to be accountable for this massive enviromental disaster

Oh man, if I'd be around there I'd get into that beach with a 600mm or more lens and see what they have to say about that. I bet they'd "mistake it for an rpg" and just shoot me. Also as I've stated billion times I'd have video recording the whole time too.

man, day after day this continues to completely T me off. I live in tx and i garuntee no douche on the beach claiming to be "security" would keep me or anyone i know from walking our own beaches and doing what the gov and BP are so blatently inept at doing. no, when it finally reaches us we will take care of it ourselves because thats how we do it in tx, we take care of our own and we surely dont sit back while the gov ruins our resources... ur either a part of the solution, or a part of the problem.