US Census 0 - US Citizen 3 (Current Score)

I agree..

YOU ARE WASTING OUR TAX MONEY.. simply because your a tool..

if you had filled out the form when it came (takes all of 2 minutes)
you never would have heard from these people..

so now, you are officially PART OF THE PROBLEM..

love it or leave it man..
love it or leave it..

[edit on 6/10/2010 by KATSUO]

reply to post by mamabeth


This is just over paranoia.

The information that you give to the census, is already out there now. But it's a Constitutionally required obligation of the government. It has been a Constitutionally required obligation of the government since its inception. But apparently you are above this.

Considering the Census added over 400,000 jobs last month, I don't think they'll be leaving you alone any time soon!


On the bright side, at least some people got SOME kind of work right?!

Originally posted by JustTheFacts

Many people - myself included - have received the supplement entitled - The American Community Survey - it has the same penalties attached to it and comes from the US Census Bureau.

ACS is actually quite different from the Census, but last census they actually had a short form and a long form for the actual Census. ACS is not conducted during the decennial census best I can tell.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


You will be happy to know I called that census taker
and left my phone number!
Why should I worry if the census could be used to
profile citizens,what am I?
1.I am a christian.
2.I am a gun owner.
3.I am a patriot.
4.I am against the NWO.
5.I am a member of a conspiracy theory website.
6.I am pro-life.
7.I am heterosexual.
8.I speak my mind and loudly so.
9.I have been known to slam islam a time or two.
10.I also think the government is getting too big for it's britches.
11.I support Israel.
So, do you think I have anything to worry about?

[edit on 10-6-2010 by mamabeth]

reply to post by mamabeth


None of that information they are interested in, they want to know:

How many people were living or staying in this house, apartment, or mobile home on April 1, 2010?

Were there any additional people staying here April 1, 2010 that you did not include in Question 1?

Is this house, apartment, or mobile home: owned with mortgage, owned without mortgage, rented, occupied without rent?

What is your telephone number?

Please provide information for each person living here. Start with a person here who owns or rents this house, apartment, or mobile home. If the owner or renter lives somewhere else, start with any adult living here. This will be Person 1. What is Person 1's name?

What is Person 1's sex?

What is Person 1's age and Date of Birth?

Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin?

What is Person 1's race?

Does Person 1 sometimes live or stay somewhere else?

Source: 2010.census.gov...

oooh such scary questions!



[edit on 6/10/2010 by whatukno]

Originally posted by links234
This may come as a shock to you but there are more laws than just the constitution that you, as a citizen of the United States, must abide by.

We, as a society and individuals, cannot pick and choose which laws we follow and adhere to. Otherwise every generation would be required to draft a new constitution in accordance with the popular beliefs at the time.

Not participating in the census because some questions aren't specifically stated in the constituion is akin to disobeying traffic laws because they're not specifically stated in the constitution.

And there are some laws that the government must abide by, like the Constitution.

The government is not abiding by its own laws, therefore the citizens should not have to abide by laws that are illegal.

If the Constitution does not grant the government the authority to ask you what color your skin is, then the citizens do not have to answer when the government comes asking.

When the government ceases to obey its own laws you have tyranny.

And that's exactly what we have in this country today.

A criminal government.


[edit on 10-6-2010 by mnemeth1]

I took the two minutes to fill out the form and sent it out the very next day. When I received a reminder in the mail, I threw it away. I have not received any more forms nor has anyone come to my door. If someone does come to my door claiming to be from the census burea, I will inform them that I did indeed fill out and return my census form. I do not allow anyone I do not know to enter my home unless I have invited them. This includes but is not limited to cable, phone and utility workers. I will not answer questions from anyone coming to my home no matter what 'credentials' they show. That is not paranoid. It is common sense.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Nope. Afraid it would be you that does not know what they are talking about this time. You may have gotten them together for some reason but they are not part of each other or the same thing. The ACS is a completely different survey that is sent out monthly, not every 10 years. If you do not like the questions on it, that is one thing but to claim that you protest the Census because of questions on the ACS makes no sense.

Are you freaking insane ?
I never protested the census - I answered the 10 questions and sent it back without a problem.
Thsi ACS document states that it comes with the same penalties as not filling out the census and tells you to visit them at the census burueau website for more information.

This is an intrusion and will not be answered - period.

reply to post by Freedom or Death


Congrats...you have accomplished NOTHING.

I'm not sure if any of my neighbors turned us in or not.

Turned you in??? Wow...you are seriously disturbed.

Maybe the should turn you in....the the mental hospital.

reply to post by mamabeth


Yes first of all they probably already have all that information, with all the other good little citizen things you do like, get born, get issued a ss number, live in a taxable property. However I would rather have them double check their info because some people like to be paranoid and skip town and not tell anyone which leaves the bills still going to an empty house. Maybe the government likes to know some random hobo doesn't live where you do. Also do you honestly think Obama is anywhere near liked enough to turn the United States against a type of people I mean really?

Originally posted by signal2noise

Do you feel like a real man by busting the balls of some dude that's probably being paid minimum wage to go door to door and collect this info?

On the weekend, do you go to the VA hospital and bust the balls of the wounded?

Ok Signal

1) The people doing the census probably need the work. So I am doing my part to keep them employed. They should be thanking me, not cursing me.

2) What do veterans have to do with this conversation?

Am I somehow Un-American because I don't choose to be counted in the census.

Is it the tax revenue that you are really interested in?

Really interested in hearing your reply.

[edit on 11-6-2010 by Freedom or Death]

Originally posted by Freedom or Death
Ok Signal

1) The people doing the census probably need the work. So I am doing my part to keep them employed. They should be thanking me, not cursing me.

You know for a fact that making them return to your home over and over again actually extends their contract?

2) What do veterans have to do with this conversation?

Am I somehow Un-American because I don't choose to be counted in the census.

What could possibly seem un-American about refusing to abide by the constitution?

Is it the tax revenue that you are really interested in?

Really interested in hearing your reply.

[edit on 11-6-2010 by Freedom or Death]

You get mine for free.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by Freedom or Death

1) The people doing the census probably need the work. So I am doing my part to keep them employed. They should be thanking me, not cursing me.

You know for a fact that making them return to your home over and over again actually extends their contract?

What like we have permanent census takers who just sit around and collect a paycheck and wait for the next census 10 years from now?

If they are temporary workers who get paid by the head instead of the hour then things are more skewed than I first thought.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by Freedom or Death
2) What do veterans have to do with this conversation?

Am I somehow Un-American because I don't choose to be counted in the census.

What could possibly seem un-American about refusing to abide by the constitution?

I'll tell you what, when the American government decides to actually follow the constitution then I will as well.

Until then kiss my ass.


[edit on 11-6-2010 by Freedom or Death]

The census cost 41 billion so far
That would feed a lot of needy people in the world!
Who needs their numbers when their bellies are empty!
Stop the counting and start feeding the hungry with the money used in the Census!
I agree with OP screw the Census
If you need a count do it with plates of food not threats of if you don't answer you go to jail!

Originally posted by Freedom or Death

What like we have permanent census takers who just sit around and collect a paycheck and wait for the next census 10 years from now?

Asking you questions is similar to throwing my face into a wall. I asked you a question. If you can not answer it, just say you are talking out your wazoo and have no answer. Tossing erroneous questions to imply I said something I did not is weak.

If they are temporary workers who get paid by the head instead of the hour then things are more skewed than I first thought.

You really are just spewing nonsense. Sorry I thought you might have something to say. How you surmised that I said anything of the sort is far beyond me because as far as I understand it, no matter how many times someone comes to your home - you are still just one head.

Perhaps you should just answer my question instead of trying to toss out these BS distractions that have nothing to do with what I asked.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by Freedom or Death
2) What do veterans have to do with this conversation?

Am I somehow Un-American because I don't choose to be counted in the census.

What could possibly seem un-American about refusing to abide by the constitution?

I'll tell you what, when the American government decides to actually follow the constitution then I will as well.

Until then kiss my ass.


[edit on 11-6-2010 by Freedom or Death]

While I am flattered by the proposition, aside from not swinging that way I am most certain that given the demonstrated intellect, attraction would be hard to find.

So then you must feel that way about all laws in this country, no? Are you proudly standing up to tell everyone that you refuse to follow all laws until the police and politicians do to as well?

Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
The census cost 41 billion so far
That would feed a lot of needy people in the world!
Who needs their numbers when their bellies are empty!
Stop the counting and start feeding the hungry with the money used in the Census!
I agree with OP screw the Census
If you need a count do it with plates of food not threats of if you don't answer you go to jail!

How do you know how many hungry people there are?

How do you know how many people are in need of anything?

reply to post by links234


Herein lies the problem. While there are laws that are on the books that are not directly in the Constitution, those laws must conform to such.

As the Constitution is the higest law of the land, it is such that we citizens be ever vigilant towards not only federal law, but State, city and local laws that may violate or go against the very basic principles of the Constitution.

While in its most basic form, the census is a constitutionally mandated function. It is to count the Peoples of the United States. That is all. Count the numbers of citizens that reside within the Union.

Where the backlash resides, resides within the additional questions being asked. Sex, marriage status, ethinicity, etc. These serve no Constitutional purpose. They do however serve a much more nefarious political purpose of redistricting in accordance with the political, race and economic makeup of such a district.

This is where I believe the backlash resides. Case in point: I undertook one of the Economic Studies that the Census department partakes in outside of a census cycle.

This study is not only the most intrusive, but also most annoying study the government does. Questions about the make up of my economic status, my income, my education, etc are only used to make up a general demographic of my area for political reasons, not to ensure that representation via the House of Representatives is kept up to date.

You see, that is what the census is for. It is not supposed to be for the political pandering of ‘money’ for your district. This has become the political norm that most Americans have fallen for. It is just as easy as ads that say something to the effect of ‘Vote for B, it is for the childeren’……

In response to mnemeth1 and ownbestenemy in their reply to my earlier post I offer you what undercover reptoid brought on the first page of this thread:

The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

Source. Emphasis is mine.

The law that directs the census is Title 13. So yes, everything they ask is de facto constitutional.

reply to post by links234


reply to post by links234


I do not question the enumeration set forth and laid out in the Constitution. That is what is needed to count the persons of the United States.

…in such a Manner as they shall by Law direct. –Part of Article. I, Section 2.

To enumerate, as Webster-Merriam defines is “to ascertain the number of:” It is to count the people. What people are leery to and questioning is the additional questions that come with enumerating the citizens of the Nation.

To perform such, the Constitution instructs Congress, via law how such enumeration will take place. It does not give a blank check to Congress to gather demographic information on districts to best suit their needs, which is one of the many claims on why such personal questions are asked. It does not grant the authority to have the census be performed by the Executive Branch or the Judicial.

My quote above is how you seem to believe, among others, that it gives Congress to go above and beyond because it is directed by Law to ask such questions. Again, the only authority prescribed is to enumerate, or in an easier word, count the persons of the United States. What the above does say is that in 1790 the way to perform the enumeration, say via postmen was the ascribed method. In 2010, if they passed a law that stated the Census will be conducted via email, then that is the law of how Congress, not the People, will perform the count.