The Protocols of the Learned elders of zion

Originally posted by bazurko

Originally posted by O. H. KRLL
I know some of you heard of it, its obviously a strange book. Lookie here:

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

Im not anti-semetic or anything.

I read behold a pale horse by william cooper a couple of years ago, he said the word jew is jused as a metaphor, so it must be used in an other way

Some clame Hitler also read the protocols of zion, that's why he killed so many jewish people.


peace

As far as I know these protocols were distributed partly by the Brittish and the French and the Germans perhaps, in order to grow nationalism among the Jewish people in Russia, they had similar schemes going in the Middle East towards the people who are now refered to as the Palestinians and the nations around. The master plan was to set up these newborn nationalists (the Zionists and the Ismaelites) and use them as a tool to overturn the Ottoman or Osmanian Empire. A genious plot, if it hadn't been for time, consequence and surfacing truth.

I see the Nazis as the scapegoat and tool of a shadow Roman Empire ruled by secret kings, demigods and giants. It looks like they wanna replace the original Jews with a new breed, who are infact not Jews, either in blood (male side) or virtue (female side).

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 8-2-2004 by Hamilton]

Yes thats a powerful verse I suppose. I'll give it another read maybe I'm missing something.

[Edited on 8-2-2004 by TgSoe]

Originally posted by Ashlar
people need to acknowledge the difference between
being an "anti-semite" and being "anti-zionist"

Zionism was a political movement with its roots in the late 19th century that sought the creation of a national homeland in the Holy Land for the Jewish people as a solution to the problem of world-wide anti-Semitism.

Since the goal of Zionism was realized with the creation of Israel in 1948, that definition no longer applies. A modern definition would be the desire to see the continued existence (and presumed well-being) of Israel.

To extrapolate anti-Zionist from that would mean that anti-Zionism is the desire for the dissolution of Israel.

So clearly there is a distinction between being anti-Jew and being anti-Zionist. I wouldn�t say that the desire to see the dissolution of Israel was anti-Jew any more that I would say that the desire to see the dissolution of Mexico was anti-Mexican or the desire the dissolution of France was anti-French.

I noticed several references to the protocols being carried out via masons. Does that mean that only Masons will have priviledges in the New World Order?

Guys, the protocols are one of the oldest literary hoaxes of the 20th century. They're not real.

The Russian police made them up (yes, really) so that they could start a pogrom against the Jews.

That explanation does not account for the fact that they accurately predicted the whole century

Originally posted by Byrd
Guys, the protocols are one of the oldest literary hoaxes of the 20th century. They're not real.

The Russian police made them up (yes, really) so that they could start a pogrom against the Jews.

I for one don't agree with you.

Maybe the Russians did make it up but every time I see a big track of land inherited here in Ga. it gets a for sale sign on it quick because the people can't afford to pay the inheritance tax or the land tax.

TgSoe,

you have a good point. I am trained in Business Sciences and we are taught to focus on OUTCOMES. In other words, theory, talk, BS, ideas, dogma, explanations, excuses, arguments, fingerpointing and on and on mean SQUAT!

What matters is outcomes, PERIOD!

Everywhere I look I see two things:

1. The PROTOCOLS being carried out to the letter.
2. The increasing power of Jews in this world.

"The Protocols Of Zion - A Literary Forgery"
www.rense.com...
www.h-net.org...

Seems Freemasonry, in general, thinks its a forgery also:
"History of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
freemasonry.bcy.ca...

"Forgeries"
www.sniggle.net...

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
en.wikipedia.org...

"Forgery, Fraud & Forensics Profile"
www.caslon.com.au...

Exceprt:
"Forged scriptures or religious documentation appears to be less common.

A salient example is the antisemitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion, manufactured by the Tsarist secret police but lovingly propagated by Henry Ford and the Nazi Party among others. The Protocols are discussed in Norman Cohn's Warrant for Genocide: The Myth of the Jewish World Conspiracy & the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (London: Paladin 1976) and A Lie & A Libel: The History of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Lincoln: Uni of Nebraska Press 1997) by Binjamin Segel.

Regrettably they're still being peddled by neo-Nazi groups and appearing in major newspapers in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other nations."

"Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
www.epwijnants-lectures.com...

Excerpt:
"The Protocols were first proven to be a forgery in 1921 and are now almost universally recognized as such. Yet their dubious authenticity has never substantially reduced their effectiveness as antisemitic propaganda, and they have been used to support anti-Jewish conspiracy theories from their first appearance around 1900 right up until the present day, perhaps most famously and most tragically in Nazi Germany."

"The Left Flank of the Protocols"
users.cyberone.com.au...

Exceprt:
"Cohn's greatest failing is that he does not ask the question, "Is there any independent evidence that there is a one-world conspiracy; and if so, how might the Protocols be related to it?"

"FORGERY OR GENUINE DOCUMENT?(new authentication methods)"
www.findarticles.com...

Excerpt:
"In 1993 a Russian court finally ruled that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were forged by Tsar Nicholas II's secret police, the Okhrana. The decision was made by a three-member panel of academic `wise-men'. After extensive inquiries, they concluded that the book, which suggested a worldwide Jewish conspiracy to overthrow Christian civilisation, was a reworking of an original text containing no such claims."

"The Elders of Zion and the Masters of Discourse I"
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...

"Warrant for Genocide"
www.interlinkbooks.com...


In such, I guess it boils down to "belief", as with anything else, right Ashlar and NEO? NEO mentions:
"What matters is outcomes, PERIOD!"
I beg to differ and provide this as example:

"To the extent that the Protocols seem to have correctly predicted the trend of events, this implies some constancy of intent. Even if so, things have not always gone to plan; there are other forces at play. History books may be 99% accurate, but the 1% they omit makes all the difference. When "writing in" that 1%, one might give the impression that the other 99% does not count; but, of course, one is merely correcting what has been omitted or distorted."

In such and in all fairness, I'll provide this for those who agree with the Protocols not being forgeries:
"Evaluating the arguments that the Protocols of Zion..."
users.cyberone.com.au...




regards
seekerof

[Edited on 9-2-2004 by Seekerof]

Damn, Seekerof! How do you keep all this information organized? Everytime I see you post something you got a dozen or more links and references to back you up!

I feel envy.

Various "folders" (instead of separate, individual links) in my Favorites. I have about 10 of them on various topics of interest(s).
Nothing elaborate of fancy....just Time in gathering and placing is all.
I will contend that though the Protocols have been universally proclaimed and deemed forgeries, they will maintain a bone of contention and believability with some.


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 9-2-2004 by Seekerof]

Seekerof.

no offense but you posted this:

"To the extent that the Protocols seem to have correctly predicted the trend of events, this implies some constancy of intent. Even if so, things have not always gone to plan; there are other forces at play. History books may be 99% accurate, but the 1% they omit makes all the difference. When "writing in" that 1%, one might give the impression that the other 99% does not count; but, of course, one is merely correcting what has been omitted or distorted."


that doesn't make a convincing case for the absolute debunking of the protocols.

Uhh, NEO....no offence taken. You have just as much right to express as any of us.
I used that section of "text" to counter your and others belief that since the Protocols have been "absolutely fulfilled to the tee", that they are real and not forgeries. Nothing is absolute. The quoted "texts" was example of that.

The other stuff I posted pretty much 99% shows that the Protocols are indeed forgeries, but there remains that 1% chance that they are not.



regards
seekerof

seekerof

how often can you find a history book; written in advance; that is 99% accurate

Originally posted by Seekerof
Uhh, NEO....no offence taken. You have just as much right to express as any of us.

I used that section of "text" to counter your and others belief that since the Protocols have been "absolutely fulfilled to the tee", that they are real and not forgeries. Nothing is absolute. The quoted "texts" was example of that.

The other stuff I posted pretty much 99% shows that the Protocols are indeed forgeries, but there remains that 1% chance that they are not.

regards
seekerof

Seeker,

you consider yourself an academic do you not? If I told you that I was 99% certain that something was true would you not consider it fact?

Originally posted by Ashlar
seekerof

how often can you find a history book; written in advance; that is 99% accurate

Have you even read a history book or two on Zionism first off Ashlar?


regards
seekerof

Originally posted by THENEO

Originally posted by Seekerof
Uhh, NEO....no offence taken. You have just as much right to express as any of us.

I used that section of "text" to counter your and others belief that since the Protocols have been "absolutely fulfilled to the tee", that they are real and not forgeries. Nothing is absolute. The quoted "texts" was example of that.

The other stuff I posted pretty much 99% shows that the Protocols are indeed forgeries, but there remains that 1% chance that they are not.

regards
seekerof

Seeker,

you consider yourself an academic do you not? If I told you that I was 99% certain that something was true would you not consider it fact?

NEO, that would depend on if I had comparative material to back it unquestionably. Can this document, and those "other" documentations you feel back it and support it, prove beyond a "shadow of a doubt" that the Jews/Zionism are indeed taking over, or indeed plotting to rule the world? Can you provide empirical, unquestionable proofs or documented evidences to assure that your, and others, mode of thinking and belief on this IS even 90-100% correct, as according to this document: Protocols? If not, question answered.

BTW, academic? Nah, I'm just a humble student and civil servant who is just a "seekerof" comparative knowledge.....just as you are and most others.


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 10-2-2004 by Seekerof]

BTW; Seekerof, Mycroft,

have either of you read the protocols?

just read the TALMUD, an official jewish doctrine...Just don't let a jewish person find out, because they can silence you, for it says so in the Talmud that the goyim are not humans and as such can be lied to or left to die.