The Protocols of the Learned elders of zion

I've got a copy of the book. I've had it for years. When I got it, I was pretty young. I thought it was cool to have it, to have access to this secret knowledge.

When I got around to actually reading it, I was horrified. Not at the conspiracy it "revealed", but that someone was so filled with hate that they wrote it and others were willing to translate it, print it and distribute it.

You can't really call it a hoax, that's too mild a word. A hoax is something done for fun. A prank, a joke. A hoax is where you fool people, but in a harmless way.

There is nothing harmless about this book. It's a tool designed to promote fear and hatred. Its purpose is to incite violence and oppression. The people that distribute it have an agenda, and that agenda is not "free speech" or "intellectual discourse."

People die over stuff like this. When they say the pen is mightier than the sword, that includes the poisoned pen, the pen that prints the lie and hides the truth.

Anyway, here are a few sites that talk about the Protocols.


skepdic.com...

ddickerson.igc.org...

christianactionforisrael.org...

www.danielpipes.org...

emperors-clothes.com...

are you nuts? you own and read the protocols yet you still believe them to be a hoax??

The protocols are completely accurate and have proven themselves over the past 100 years

oh and there is a difference between being an anti-semite and being anti-zionist.

just look at www.jewsagainstzionism.com

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the most notorious and most successful work of modern antisemitismantisemitism, draws on popular antisemitic notions which have their roots in mediaeval Europe from the time of the Crusades. The libels that the Jews used blood of Christian children for the Feast of Passover, poisoned the wells and spread the plague were pretexts for the wholesale destruction of Jewish communities throughout Europe. Tales were circulated among the masses of secret rabbinical conferences whose aim was to subjugate and exterminate the Christians, and motifs like these are found in early antisemitic literature.
The conceptual inspiration for the Protocols can be traced back to the time of the French Revolution at the end of the 18th century. At that time, a French Jesuit named Abb� Augustin Barruel (1741/10/02 - 1820/10/05), representing reactionary elements opposed to the revolution, published in 1797 a treatise blaming the Revolution on a secret conspiracy operating through the Order of freemasons. Barruel's idea was nonsense, since the French nobility at the time was heavily masonic. In his treatise, Barruel did not himself blame the Jews, who were emancipated as a result of the Revolution. However, in 1806, Barruel circulated a forged letter, probably sent to him by members of the state police opposed to Napoleon Bonaparte's liberal policy toward the Jews, calling attention to the alleged part of the Jews in the conspiracy he had earlier attributed to the freemasons.
The direct predecessor of the Protocols can be found in the pamphlet "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu", published by the non-Jewish French satirist Maurice Joly in 1864. In his "Dialogues", which make no mention of the Jews, Joly attacked the political ambitions of the emperor Napoleon III using the imagery of a diabolical plot in Hell. The "Dialogues" were caught by the French authorities soon after their publication and Joly was tried and sentenced to prison for his pamphlet.
Joly's "Dialogues", while intended as a political satire, soon fell into the hands of a German antisemite named Hermann Goedsche writing under the name of Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche was a postal clerk and a spy for the Prussian secret police. He had been forced to leave the postal work due to his part in forging evidence in the prosecution against the Democratic leader Benedict Waldeck in 1849. Goedsche adapted Joly's "Dialogues" into a mythical tale of a Jewish conspiracy as part of a series of novels entitled "Biarritz", which appeared in 1868. In a chapter called "The Jewish Cemetery in Prague and the Council of Representatives of the Twelve Tribes of Israel", he spins the fantasy of a secret centennial rabbinical conference which meets at midnight and whose purpose is to review the past hundred years and to make plans for the next century.
Goedsche's plagiary of Joly's "Dialogues" found its way to Russia. It was translated into Russian in 1872, and a consolidation of the "council of representatives" under the name "Rabbi's Speech" appeared in Russian in 1891. These works furnished the Russian secret police (Okhrana) with a means with which to strengthen the position of the weak Czar Nicholas II and discredit the reforms of the liberals who sympathized with the Jews. During the Dreyfus case of 1893-1895, agents of the Okhrana in Paris redacted the earlier works of Joly and Goedsche into a new edition which they called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The manuscript of the Protocols was brought to Russia in 1895 and was printed privately in 1897.
The Protocols did not become public until 1905, when Russia's defeat in the Russo-Japanese War was followed by the Revolution in the same year, leading to the promulgation of a constitution and institution of the Duma. In the wake of these events, the reactionary "Union of the Russian Nation" or Black Hundreds organization sought to incite popular feeling against the Jews, who they blamed for the Revolution and the Constitution. To this end they used the Protocols, which was first published in a public edition by the mystic priest Sergius Nilus in 1905. The Protocols were part of a propaganda campaign which accompanied the pogroms of 1905 inspired by the Okhrana. A variant text of the Protocols was published by George Butmi in 1906 and again in 1907. The edition of 1906 was found among the Czar's collection, even though he had already recognized the work as a forgery. In his later editions, Nilus claimed that the Protocols had been read secretly at the First Zionist Congress at Basle in 1897, while Butmi in his edition wrote that they had no connection with the new Zionist movement, but rather were part of the masonic conspiracy.
In the civil war following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, the reactionary White Armies made extensive use of the Protocols to incite widespread slaughters of Jews. At the same time, Russian emigrants brought the Protocols to western Europe, where the Nilus edition served as the basis for many translations, starting in 1920. Just after its appearance in London in 1920, Lucien Wolf exposed the Protocols as a plagiary of the earlier work of Joly and Goedsche, in a pamphlet of the Jewish Board of Deputies. The following year, in 1921, the story of the forgery was published in a series of articles in the London Times by Philip Grave, the paper's correspondent in Constantinople. A whole book documenting the forgery was also published in the same year in America by Herman Bernstein. Nevertheless, the Protocols continued to circulate widely. They were even sponsored by Henry Ford in the United States until 1927, and formed an important part of the Nazis' justification of genocide of the Jews in World War II.
The complete debunking of the Protocols has not stopped their continued circulation. In an attempt to negate the refutation, William Guy Carr claimed in 1958 that the Protocols were actually an older document recording a speech by Mayer Rothschild in 1773. This claim is occasionally repeated, although Carr provided no justification, documentation or citation for an accusation founded on his paranoid fears of international communism and banking

Ive read that stuff 200 times +

But it doesnt compare to the protocols themselves.
The Protocols have proven themselves prophetically accurate, Remember they where written/translated about 100 years ago, and they accurately predict all that goes on now; and that is coming also.

The protocols themselves consist of 24 protocols which are only about 100 pages, written in a unique style that is not comprehended by a first glance, and to refute them, one must first read them, no? I vouch its a good read. "The Protocols of the learned elders of Zion"

Originally posted by O. H. KRLL
I know some of you heard of it, its obviously a strange book. Lookie here:

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

Im not anti-semetic or anything.

Whether it was a hoax or not is not the issue. Read it for yourselves. Within it definitely lies a plan for world dominance. And it rings eerily true today in this post-9-11 age. I'm not an anti-semite, either. WHOEVER wrote it was full of evil.

people need to acknowledge the difference between
being an "anti-semite" and being "anti-zionist"

When one can buy a motorcycle for $5,700.00 and after two years of payments that tally up $2,500.00 and the payoff is still $5,400.00

I can see where it might be true. I read some of it I'll have to read the rest of it when I get time.

[Edited on 6-2-2004 by TgSoe]

Actually this was in the book Behold the Pale Horse. The author basically said that it was written by the illumaniti and they also had a training manual about "Silent Weapons for a Quiet War". It was bascially a declration of war aganist the american people

Originally posted by Ashlar
Ive read that stuff 200 times +

But it doesnt compare to the protocols themselves.
The Protocols have proven themselves prophetically accurate, Remember they where written/translated about 100 years ago, and they accurately predict all that goes on now; and that is coming also.

The protocols themselves consist of 24 protocols which are only about 100 pages, written in a unique style that is not comprehended by a first glance, and to refute them, one must first read them, no? I vouch its a good read. "The Protocols of the learned elders of Zion"

Yeah...ok. Perhaps this can be "vouched" as "a good read" also:

"The Protocols Of Zion - A Literary Forgery"
www.rense.com...




regards
seekerof

[Edited on 6-2-2004 by Seekerof]

Zionism is certainly not Judaism in any fashion, its a political movement, purely political and contradicts the beliefs of the teachings of the jewish peoples. people label you anti-semite for being anti-zionist, yet the bible states not to acquire the land back and fight over it..in fact the talmud says none of the gentiles are considered human, and it is up to u to do what u want to them.

I agree entirely.

Try doing a search for : "the talmud unmasked"

The talmud unmasked is the other side of the coin

Originally posted by Ashlar
I agree entirely.

Try doing a search for : "the talmud unmasked"

The talmud unmasked is the other side of the coin

THE TALMUD UNMASKED

Wherever it is possible a Jew should kill Christians, and do so without mercy.

That statement alone tells you they are not one bit better than the Christians. It sounds like to me the whole thing is designed to cause an eventual war. There is no excuse for that kind of hatred.

[Edited on 7-2-2004 by TgSoe]

[Edited on 10-2-2004 by TgSoe]

there are far far worse quotes.
there are quotes that say that mary is a whore and jesus is a warlock being tortured in hell.

TGsoe, what is wrong with christianity? Jesus did warn about this, try reading Revelation 2:9 and 3:9

REV2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

The protocols are obviously a manual on how to take over, and control the world. It does not matter who wrote them or when or why or for who. What matters is what they say and whether one can apply the maxims to the world around them. You can and Ashlar is completely correct about this.

If you are hung up on the where and why here is a suggested origin of the protocols, true I don't know. From cassiopaea.org:
Q: (L) Who was the author of the "Protocols of the Elders of
Zion?"
A: Source is "Aryan" in nature.
Q: (L) Was it written to make the Jews look bad, or to cast
blame on them?
A: Some.
Q: (L) Was it also written as a disguised protocol for the
Aryan plan to take over the world?
A: No.
Q: (A) I heard that the source was in Russia?
A: No, Turkey.

and also,

Q: One of the things I noticed in this book was that they said
that there was a colony from the city of Harran in what is
nowadays Turkey, and that this colony formerly resided on the
Giza plateau. Is there any connection between this colony they
mention and the fact that you said that the 'Protocols of the
Elders of Zion' were composed in Turkey by an 'Aryan'
source?
A: Yes.
Q: What relationship is there?
A: One and the same.

Neo
Im not sure i understand, where does that come from?

deleted due to the realization that im no longer interested in wasting my intellectual energy on topics that are regurgitated daily. if you still believe this, i'm not changing you.

[Edited on 2-8-2004 by Djarums]

see above note

[Edited on 2-8-2004 by Djarums]

well im sorry i wasted your time, you did however take the time to state that you dont have the time, all this when nobody asked you in the first place

Originally posted by Ashlar
there are far far worse quotes.
there are quotes that say that mary is a whore and jesus is a warlock being tortured in hell.

TGsoe, what is wrong with christianity? Jesus did warn about this, try reading Revelation 2:9 and 3:9

REV2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

The only thing I have found wrong with Christianity is everything is a sin. The only thing a Christian is allowed to do is work and pay taxes. Christians are trained to be a run over people. While they have been busy doing thier little chores for Jesus someone has been undermining the rites of the human race all along. I am convinced at this point that christianity was designed to send its gullable followers on a wild goose chase that will never materialize. I don't believe any knowledge of great advantage has been alllowed to be viewed by the masses of people. The masses of people are just given a passifier to keep them quite so someone else who has no rules and principles can take over the world.

but theres alot of valid stuff in the bible.
just look at the 2 verses quoted.

Find me one statement more powerfull than:

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.