Two Iranian ships to sail to Gaza

reply to post by ickylevel

You cannot compare that. Sorry its very ignorant to think that way...
Even so either you are saying that the nazis werent stupid (or even hitler ) or Israel is.

But I give you a challenge: Make up a realistic szenario were Israel would behave in such a fashion... ( internal political developments included! )

reply to post by lifttheveil


I completly agree, Tourism plays a heavy hand in Egypts future, especially some of the projects they are now working (for example the big Luxor project) and having been to Egypt a couple of times I know that is not something they want to give up.

I was trying to point out (perhaps badly) that Egypt is between a rock and a hard place on this one, and Iran is not leaving them much wiggle room.

If the Israelis attack the ships then i am sure they will "find" weapons when they search them, because if they don't find weapons then it will be a major incident. Israel will lose a lot of support, apart from the USA and UK of course, we love to aid Israel at every opportunity. Lots of people seemt o think it will work in favour of Iran if they convoy is attacked but don't you also think Israeli politicians and intelligence services have thought of that and planned for it?

Originally posted by kybertech
Even so either you are saying that the nazis werent stupid (or even hitler

)

Lets try to remember without clouding our minds with too much hate for individual groups or political movements as so many here are wont to do. That the Nazi's were German. And they have always been a cunning, intelligent and spectacular foe every time we've come up against them.

Quite possibly I regard them as the finest enemy my country has ever fought, or ever will fight.

Germans are not stupid. And neither are Israeli's.

Their leaders but, thats a different story.

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Egyot lifts blockade of Gaza indefinately

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
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Egyot lifts blockade of Gaza indefinately

Please correct me if I am wrong,
But are not the prescribed goods (like cement) still banned???


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reply to post by PuterMan


Very true PuterMan, and another reason for them doing what they think the main consensus is right now.

Of course it's all political right now, USA are (unsurprisingly and understandably) taking a bit of a back seat on this at the moment to how we'd usually expect, however as the threat on Israel increases they will just have to get involved, and we all know who they'll back if it comes to the heavy stuff which is the Zionist state they created no matter what!

To be honest I was very saddened to see Iran take this one and respond rather than Turkey who it initially looked like would be the first (if any) to physically respond.

When the rumors surfaced that Turkey we're sailing to Gaza and The Turkish PM himself would be aboard I thought this was very good indeed, and to get things straight I am very anti-war, white English and of no particular religion, but I saw Turkey making a stand as something both good and appropriate as it is dearly needed in that region, IMHO they had the legalities and Nato on their side and were of course the victims in this issue and surely the ones to retaliate.

Iran however are not as strong, and have a lot more history (being enemies of Israel which of course has part to play in their reaction) and less military support, but with their Chinese and Russian ties along with smaller other allies it's hard to see where an attack by Israel on an Iranian vessel will lead if it happens, these are very very tense times indeed that could really usher us into WW3, and I'd love to know what's going on behind the scenes right now.

There is one thing that really worries me though, we all know the media is bollocks and it's all spin and chess games, we also know Iran has been in USA's sights for a good while now, and Turkey up until now have had very good relations with Israel, yet instead of responding as expected, Iran are the ones to respond, I hope Iran are very careful, they have gained a lot of favour in the world scene lately so it would be a shame to give Israel and the US the excuse they want so badly to attack them. When the SHTF, who knows how this will all play out?

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Lutz explained that the Jewish flotilla aims to convey a message: Lift the siege.

"Our vessel can open a window between Israel and Gaza residents," she said. "Two years ago I took part in the Free Gaza flotilla and wore a Magen David (Star of David), and the kids said, 'Look, she's Jewish,' and they all accepted me very well. When we met (Hamas leader) Ismail Haniyeh and they told him about me, he turned to me and said they have nothing against Jews or Israel, only against the occupation."

reply to post by thoughtsfull


apparently so yes only egypt would allow aid convoys in but only with food and medical supplies...

Originally posted by belial259
Germans are not stupid. And neither are Israeli's.

Their leaders but, thats a different story.

Actually I ment more like the 'facists of the 3rd reich' and atleast they acted very stupid imho. Before the beginning of the 3rd reich there were already facist goverments in place and several very popular and powerful subcultures with differnt agendas (socialists, nazis, christian funamentalists, etc..) who violently opposed each other as well as the fashist goverments already in place. But they all had on their agenda to be some kind of global transnational movement and nobody saw the similarities so they all played into the agenda. In the end the nazis won this fight in Gemany so they became the dominant culture...

So while there is no question about the leaders, I think the people did play their part and in a big way.

In summary I simpliy cannot think of a similar situation developing with Israel, the USA and the UK. (In comparision to Austria, Germany and Italy)
While I have to agree that the current regimes are somewhat similar to facism (alias corporatism) there isn't the 'Zeitgeist' present for such a rapid development. In contrast the agenda has shifted to a worldwide incrementalism instead.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
The question is will the Red Crescent ask for support vessels from the IRCC? and what about the Naval Hospital ship being sent?

As the aid is to be taken in via the Rafah crossing that places a number of Iranian ships pretty close to Israel..

and all this to come to ahead by the end of the week when the ships arrive.

Anyone think that the iranians are not capable of hiding arms on a hospital ship?

The Israelis will have no choice but to search it as well.

The iranians constantly playing "poke the bear" with Israel is not a sign of high intelligence IMO.

just in time for the world cup to start..talk about trying to sneak a war in when no ones looking....

I don't know 'bout you all, and I haven't really searched in depth for this story yet [edited below], but I haven't noticed ANYTHING on any of the major news sources I normally frequent today on this.

Nothing on Yahoo, nothing on CNN, nothing on RT, nothing on YouTube. Has anyone seen this story anywhere else?

EDIT: nvm...looks like it's finally spreading...found it on CNN HERE.

Frickin' ATS: Always ahead of the curve. LOL

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Originally posted by PuterMan
This action by the Red Crescent can only be a calculated move intended to annoy the Israelis, and will in my opinion undoubtedly precipitate war in the zone.

The inclusion of a ship with aid workers will be seen as sending terrorists without a doubt.

If they were to send an escort as well the deed would be complete.


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They can see it as they want, I see it as a good gesture. It is never wrong to help without force. That is exactly what is going on, the true colors of the Zionist regime is showing.

This is helping without force, both Turkey and Iran have a huge alliace compared to Israel, if anything breaks out Israel is only going one way and that's down.

It is never wrong to help the oppressed people, especially when no force is used.

No way in hell Israel is going to let anything shipped in from Iran to reach Gaza without inspecting it first. Egypt wont dare push Israel this far. Egypt will stop it and tell Iran to pound sand and I'm sure we will never hear about it.

Does anyone think Israel or Egypt is stupid enough to let possible radioactive material or weapons flow through?

The Israelis should with Egyptian help stop it and search the ships before they enter the canal. Iran does not have the beer muscles to try and send their navy ships into a battle the can never win.

reply to post by TheCoffinman


Israel can always close it at their end if need be. The Arabs want war and thats what they will get. They the Arabs will be beaten badly. Israel does not need help from any other nation, she will be fine on her own.

reply to post by LittleSecret

They can see it as they want, I see it as a good gesture.

They will see it that way, and no one will give you an argument on it being a good gesture, although that is not its direct purpose. Breaking the blockade permanently is the aim.

This is helping without force, both Turkey and Iran have a huge alliace compared to Israel, if anything breaks out Israel is only going one way and that's down.

Really? Is the USA so small? Don't believe all this shrinking away from Israel that you see. It is a blind. As far as going down, if Israel does then we probably all will. Samson and all that.

It is never wrong to help the oppressed people, especially when no force is used.

This is my attempt at saving the wonderfull misguided people of Israel.

(to Megaphone, I'm just going to ignore you. you are part of the problem.
You want Israel nuked that is your job..to make sure THEY DO NOT KNOW so they sit there and don't move ,shame on you, smarten up.)

this whole deal is to create the reason for totally burning Israel to the ground with 6 million jews in it which would take a nuke - like blowing up Dimona the biggest Jewish bomb ever built )
so they can fullfill their DAMNED covenant with god.

this is why so mush effort has gone into creating enough anti sematism to
to make this happen.
to fullfill the prophesy

this is why you can't question history
this is why the EVIDENCE of the TRUTH is ILLEGAL
this is why they let in the ashkenazis
this why the jew rothschild money initiated the creation of israel
( for instance jew Soros got rich turning in jews to hitler the money went to switzerland, jew rothschild invested the money to cecil rhodes to corner the gold and diamond concerns in S africa -etc go look it up.)
this is why jews lobbied to keep the jews out of all the nice countries in WWll and made them go back to germany or Israel.
(go look it up)

this is why you keep finding Jews behind the creation of anti sematizm
(go look it up)

doubt me?
then tell me, if you are so smart
WHERE ARE THE UBER JEWS LIVING THESE DAYS?
ISRAEL?

there are about 6 million Jews in Israel finally right now so its time
this why the bilderbuggers just voted to go to war with IRAN

any body has a problem with me for pointing out the obvious
well too bad it ISN'T MY LOSS is it is YOURS
I'm Just a guy with a library card)
this all right in front of everybody any how, thats why it is illegal to guestion anything DUH


The Greek translation of the Torah used the word 'holocauston' (entirely burnt)
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"For the permission to return to the Promised Land, God allegedly demanded from them a "6-Million-Holocaust-Offering", so the high priests interpreted a Torah prophecy that reads: "You shall return" (due to a spelling mistake the priests interpret it this way "You shall return, minus 6 million")

This self-imposed prophesy – without fulfilment of this prophesy the return to the Promised Land would not be permitted – led to the 1919 "six-million-prophecy-crash". Based on the Balfour-Declaration of 1917 the state of Israel was guaranteed, and the Diaspora-Jews would return to the "Promised Land". The leading Jews at that time expected 1920 a migration of their brethren into "their Land". But, before the return could take place, "6 million" of them had to disappear, according to the wrongly interpreted prophecy.

In fact, Jewish organisations proclaimed already in 1919 a "6 million-holocaust", taking place in the Ukraine: "Six million men and women are dying; eight-hundred-thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, through no transgression of the law of God or man; but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood. In this threatened holocaust of human life ..." [The American Hebrew, Oct. 31, 1919, Nbr. 582]"

Those "6 million", which must allegedly missing in order to return to the "Promised Land", is said to be Yaweh's way of cleansing the Jewish souls of all sins, since a return of sinful and unclean souls is not permitted. The cleansing of the "chosen" souls was to be administered in "burning ovens": "God said: Could I forget the holocaust-victims? Rabbi Tanchum, Chanilias son said: In the hour, when Hananja, Misael and Asarja stepped out of the burning ovens, the people of the world came together to strike the haters of Israel in the face." [The Talmud, Goldmann Publishers, Munich 1980, pages 138, 225]
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The State of Israel had population of approximately 7,503,800 inhabitants as of December 2009.[1] 75.4% of them were Jewish (about 5,660,700 individuals), 20.3% were Arabs (About 1,523,900 inhabitants), while the remaining 4.3% (about 319,200 individuals) were defined as "others" (family members of Jewish immigrants who were not registered at the Interior Ministry as Jews, non-Arab Christians, non-Arab Muslims and residents who do not have a religious classification).
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reply to post by PuterMan


Never thought I'd say it, but I'm siding with the Iranians on this one. Sure they intend the action to incite the Israelis, but if it is the Red Crescent, than that is the same as the Red Cross. Having a hospital ship accompanying it makes it only that much more sensitive. So be it, the Israelis made this bed and it is the law of unintended consequences.

The idiots in the Israeli military command who ordered the boarding last week need to be ran out of the IDF and tried in the court of public opinion for abject stupidity and arrogance. Their actions have single handedly shown the IDF to appear to be low, rent key stone cops and made the entire nation of Israel a much less safe place. Their real enemies now have more allies among members of the public the world pover because of the stupidity if IDF senior commanders. This only served to embolden the Iranians and any other real enemy, as evidenced by this action.