Energy that holds molecules in certain patterns

to create life. Can anyone explain this?

Or is it Gods doing?

Originally posted by cultureshock
to create life. Can anyone explain this?

Or is it Gods doing?

i will tell you of energy that holds molecules in certain patterns. sound. the word.

i will tell you of energy that holds molecules in certain patterns. sound. the word.

Huh?

cymatics(link)

that link will tell ya what i'm on about.

[edit on 10-6-2004 by billybob]

Very cool, thanx for that billybob. It may be heading in the right direction, but I picture something different.

There are a number of different bonds between atoms possible (more: Hyperphysics).

• Covalent bonds: these are common in your body and in every molecular substance. They are caused by the two atoms sharing one or more electron pairs, because this is energetically more stable.
  
• (Single valent bonds: enormously rare kind of bond that only happens in boranes like B2H6 and that doesn't really matter to life.)
  
• Ionic bonds: two differently charged ions (an ion is a charged atom) are attracted to eachother. This occurs in salts like NaCl.
  
• Metallic bonds: Hyperphysics explains these pretty well: "The general observations give rise to a picture of "positive ions in a sea of electrons" to describe metallic bonding."
  
• Polar and hydrogen bonds: certain parts of molecules are slightly charged and attract each other. Both are caused by electronegativity of the atoms.
  
• Vanderwaals bonds: the electron density is not the same on all sides of the atom all the time. Tiny changes cause a tiny charge. The attraction between such charges is the Vanderwaals force.
  

These are the types of bonds that exist in normal situations. The first one and the last two are the most important for life. They exist either because they are energetically more stable or because they are caused by electromagnetism. There is no involvement of any higher power in normal chemical bonds.

The complexity of life may seem to indicate an ordering power, but ordered patterns can also occur in nature without intelligent intervention. The general scientific theory is that life was formed by chance without intelligent design (and yes, BlackJackal, I know some disagree with this ).

thanks billybob!!

from the article..

An interesting phenomenon appeared when he took a vibrating plate covered with liquid and tilted it.The liquid did not yield to gravitational influence and run off the vibrating plate but stayed on and went on constructing new shapes as though nothing had happened. If, however, the oscillation was then turned off, the liquid began to run, but if he was really fast and got the vibrations going again, he could get the liquid back in place on the plate. According to Jenny, this was an example of an antigravitational effect created by vibrations.

anyone know any quick kitchen-table tests for this? I'd like ot give this a go..

Muppet, maybe Rage Against the Machine at full volume?

Lol, I should try that. *Puts Rage at full blast*

Make sure the "bass" knob is up all the way!

Originally posted by cultureshock
to create life. Can anyone explain this?

Amatine's explaination is sound. We do understand the way that atoms bind to other atoms (and why certain ones don't bind with others.) There's whole fields of science devoted to how certain chemical structures form and why they look as they do (bond angles and so forth.)

It's a deep subject (organic chemistry) and we could fill a lot of messages with the basic details about it. Go ahead and ask specific questions -- the science geeks on the board will hop right in and answer.

Originally posted by amantine
. There is no involvement of any higher power in normal chemical bonds.

The complexity of life may seem to indicate an ordering power, but ordered patterns can also occur in nature without intelligent intervention. The general scientific theory is that life was formed by chance without intelligent design (and yes, BlackJackal, I know some disagree with this

).

Thank you, amantine, for the intelligent answer, on behalf of the scientists on the board

Someone touched on these briefly, but read what I am about to write and then close your eyes and play it back only in your mind and imagine what is happening at the surface.

A hard flat plate that is capable of vibrating thousand of ocillations a second. Water on the plate begins to bounce as the plate is vibrated faster and faster and faster. The faster the plate vibrates the shorter the water hops into the air. Faster yet and the water drops barely have enough time to hop into the air before the vibration waves return. Faster and faster the plate begins to "sing". Faster yet and the plate passes the ability to "sing" to the human ear. All motion appears to stop. Yet the plate is vibrating. But the water on the surface is no longer bouncing, the water now in perfect harmony with the plate, vibrating together as one unit. Rotate the plate upside down and the water defies gravity by sticking in place to the surface of the plate.

Close your eyes and imagine what you just read

That's quite interesting RobertFenix. Is there any way I could pull this off in my kitchen, or would a super sound system be required?

Wow, this stuff fascinates me, thanx for all the responces.

Hmm, I just recieved a message that I had points deducted for my one line responces, I may not be here long, but I appreciate the time.

[edit on 10-6-2004 by cultureshock]

I think the flaw here is that you are imagining the plate is vibrating uniformly as one body, whereas it wouldnt be, no way it';d be perfectly in-sync...
The water too wouldnt be perfectly in sync, and not only would the molecules vibrate, but they would move location as well...
There is a certain frequency where our eyes no longer register movement (like humming bird wings)

Thats why you have to use your "minds eye" to see the surface of the plate, which you can not see with the "naked eye".

No its not possible to recreate this effect in your kitchen, the ocillation rate required to far too fast for any kitchen / household appliance to produce.

You would need Trillium B (spelling ?) its a advanced substance created by Ames Labs in Iowa that has a very high ocillation rate and high cycle counts before stress failures.(you can search forum for Liquid Metal and spittin cobra for more details)

From a chaotic/ randomness comes order at high frequency.

Try Mylar film over a bass driver (10" speaker) and run a sweeping tone through your stereo, place the speaker on its back, whatever, so that the driver is pointing up, place mylar securely over driver face, place sand or small beads on mylar. Sweep audio and level and watch what happens. Eventually the beads etc will align themselves and begin to move in a uniform and predicatable manner. Now imagine amplifing this effect 1,000 fold. What do you think you would be able to observe, if you could observe it. Theorize what is happening at the surface level.

Slow booms, faster peak bass hits etc watch the way your media responds

I'm sorry, but I dont understand how this is relevant, or what the produced effect is supposed to be... Perhaps you could explain the point, etc, of the experiment more? Thanks

Ok, I'm back, I understand the slap on my wrist.

I've alid a big bass speaker on it's back in the past, crank it up, and if you put little marbles on it, and the bass riff is quick enough, the marbles will seem to myseriously float in the air. Is this along the lines your speaking of? I think I'm still a bit confused, but it does make sense.

Originally posted by amantine
There is no involvement of any higher power in normal chemical bonds.

prove it, bill nye. what was the control for this experiment which proves there is no higher power involved? apparatus? method? whatnot? it seems you only have a conclusion, and no scientific evidence to back it up.

The complexity of life may seem to indicate an ordering power, but ordered patterns can also occur in nature without intelligent intervention. The general scientific theory is that life was formed by chance without intelligent design (and yes, BlackJackal, I know some disagree with this

).

that's yesterdays general scientific theory. today's general scientific theory doesn't exist. everyone(including, and ESPECIALLY, scientists) has their own theory, which increasingly, include 'something' else beyond measurement.
the brightest minds of science that i know of, ALL talk of god. einstien, for example. is your science better than his? hawkings, "god does not play dice with the universe". the complexity of life doesn't 'seem' to indicate an ordering power. it shouts it from the rooftops.
how can you ignore the phi-ness of life? you know, phi-losophy used to be the word used for science, before it seperated into science and religion. physics - phi-sics. physical - phi-cycle. fire - phi-re(as in re/ra, the egyptian sun-god). phi-lanthropy.
now, without actually checking all of them, i know that some of the patterns that showup via cymatics, have a whole lotta phi ratio in them. ignore at your peril!!!!!

(just wanted to be dramatic, ...i don't think there's any danger in ignoring perfectly good science.)