IDF: Hamas stops flotilla aid delivered by Israel

Originally posted by Maxmars
I find it shameful that people must remain hungry, sick, and desperate while those who are 'leaders' play games.....

It's one thing to shame Israel over their ridiculously heavy-handed approach to the situation, but it is another to remain intransigent to the effort to relay the aid because it might interfere with righteous outrage.

This entire region needs a spiritual enema.

My feelings exactly. One side is as bad as the other... They really need their heads knocking together.

Pathetic!

I get it, its posturing.

To tell you the truth, i wouldn't of accepted it either.

You cant just do something like that and expect to be forgiven so easily.

I liked the idea that Israel should of went through Egypt... going straight into the strip to deliver the aid is like a slap in the face IMO. its like trading blood for supplies. Thats not going to fly.

Its like if alqueda (if they ever existed) sent aid to the USA after 9/11. Do you think the USA would of accepted that?

i don't think so.

Kudos for standing their ground.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned yet that Hamas are only waiting for Turkey to be given the chance to check that the IDF haven't nicked anything from the aid package, and then they'll accept it. If they accept now, and stuff's missing, then Israel will call them liars.

Rrright blame HAMAS

"Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation...

...Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".
from:
www.globalresearch.ca...

If those who support Israel's action in this regard have to color things this way, doesn't that indicate they don't have any real substantive reasoning
for this latest action?




[edit on 2-6-2010 by Danbones]

[edit on 2-6-2010 by Danbones]

Originally posted by inbound
I would like to know the reasoning behind this, I heard the report also, however the reason was not given- Im certain there is one, it just isnt being brodcast. Got one version- I would like the other

The "reason" is quite simple and easy to determine for one's self.

This was NEVER really about "humanitarian aid". If it was, the delivery method would not matter as long as the aid got to the people that needed it.

This was ALWAYS about making a political statement and it seems trying to smuggle arms and terrorists into gaza.

So wait, they DID have aid on the ships?

Why didn't Israel just let them dock and them take the aid rather than illegally storm the boat with machine guns, helicopters and handcuffs?

Surely they weren't there to secretly deliver deadly weaponry like kitchen knives, pipes and a chain.

Seems terrible to kill around 10-20 people then hand over the blood stained goods they were trying to deliver.

I suppose if I was starving and the people trying to give me humanitarian aid were massacred by the military of my neighbors, only later to have the same military come by and give me the supplies....I would tell them to go to hell, too!

Hammas has also stated they want all the protest prisoners released before they would accept the assistance Israel violently stole.

I think it is more about morality/solidarity than pride and I would rather continue to starve than accept assistance from a guilty party that murdered 10-20 civilians.

- Lee

Obviously, Hamas as an Israeli creation is in cahoots with Israel.

What more to say?

reply to post by Portugoal


Why didn't that CNN article mention these official statements from Hammas?

Sorry, but I just realized it was missing from the articles I read earlier:

But the following day, Hamas Social Affairs Minister Ahmad al-Kurd told reporters that it would accept the aid only if it entered "without anything being stolen from the activists, and without any exceptions."

"This includes the prefabricated homes, the cement, the iron and the electric generators," he said.
Jewish Telegraphic Agency

*my Bolds

Hamas rejects flotilla goods while activists remain in jail

"We will refuse the aid as long as the victims of Israel's attack remain in prison. Without exception we demand their release," Al-Kurd said during a Gaza City press conference. Palestinenote.com

Those statements seem very important to the story.
I wonder why they left this out?

Very strange.



- Lee

Originally posted by john124
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned yet that Hamas are only waiting for Turkey to be given the chance to check that the IDF haven't nicked anything from the aid package, and then they'll accept it. If they accept now, and stuff's missing, then Israel will call them liars.

Yeah it's funny because I read an article on this much earlier and before CNN and it mentioned all of that, but the newer ones are leaving out those details.

They seem to suggest that Hammas simply refused to accept the goods outright as opposed to setting conditions around that acceptance that includes RELEASE of the prisoners, no MISSING items, and no set CONDITIONS.

That seems not only fair, but respectful of the very people who lost their lives bringing the aid stolen by Israel in the first place.

In my book it was a good move.

- Lee

Hamas was bypassed by flotilla effort and now they have a chance to become a player in this event, and Israel gladly shoved them in.

Hamas excuse is pure brainwashing.

I'm not sure i beleive any of this and will wait untill i hear the other side before i make any judgments.

Seems the the zinonist cotrolled press has gone into over drive but i'm sure the truth will leak out after the BBC tells this side of the story that they are happy to play along with.

Remind me again about the paintbal guns will you

I remember an American president using the international laws governing the stopping of ships in international waters in respect to running a blockade.

Israel is blockading the ports in Gaza for basically the same reasons our president did. They will no longer allow the import of weapons i.e., rockets, mortars, explosives that are subsequently used for the sole purpose of attacking Israeli civilians.

Under international law Israel had the right to stop and board the ships who had in advance declared their intent to run the blockade.

The blockade is not solely an Israeli action, Egypt, who understands the danger of arming Hamas, also enforces the blockade.

The ships attempting to run the blockade were hired and paid for by a group with known ties to terrorist organizations.

Out of six ships, on only one, were any of the passengers or crew harmed, and that only because the IDF soldiers were attacked by the passengers. I have seen the videos and read both civilian and military analysis of the incident and the conclusions could not be more cut and dried. Israeli forces were met with a preplanned assault with the sole intention of creating an incident of just this type. That only nine of the attackers were killed is a tribute to the restraint of the IDF soldiers involved. That Israel was flatfooted enough to allow itself to be caught up in the incident in the first place speaks volumes of the international tightrope Israel walks, as well as the political infighting going on in Israel itself.

Israel has stated publicly that it will allow humanitarian aid to pass into Gaza, after being inspected by the IDF.

The international response to this has been very predictable; they played their roles in this fiasco to the tee.
The response of the current administration has also been highly predictable, they don’t have one. We need more time to study the incident before placing blame! The term wishy washy comes to mind.

The rest of the world sees that the US is no longer the stalwart friend to Israel. Those in the Middle East smell blood in the water and are pushing relentlessly. They are forcing Israel into a position in which it will no choice but to respond with military actions, and that reaction will not be small, or surgical, it will be quick, multi phased, and devastating.





[edit on 6/2/2010 by Phedreus]

Hamas and Israel are in bed together. Dont let any of this fool you!!!!!!

The ships were loaded under the watch of the Turkish Guv
An ally of Israel at the time
(not now though apparently)
the weapons found were:
Potatoe peelers
hand tools
kitchen knives w/ steele sharpener...
etc

Apperently the wounded isrealis were hit with freindly fire.
As evidenced by the Isreali released
photos of the "weapons" and the testimony of whitnesses
like the Knesset Member

Did I say potatope peeler...?
yes ,I was reading
that because potatoes suck up
all kinds of fertilizer and pesticides
they are absolutly
DEADLY.

Originally posted by Danbones
...

Did I say potatope peeler...?
yes ,I was reading
that because potatoes suck up
all kinds of fertilizer and pesticides
they are absolutly
DEADLY.

You must work for the TSA!

Originally posted by lee anoma
reply to post by Portugoal

 

Why didn't that CNN article mention these official statements from Hammas?
Those statements seem very important to the story. I wonder why they left this out? Very strange.

- Lee

If they include that how will they play the propaganda and make Israel look like a victim?

Maxmars
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Cheers!

reply to post by Phedreus


Excellent post, Phedreus! Star for you.

That was a good synopsis of the events of the past several days. You pointed out several items that have been ignored in the discussion, including

* The blockade is not solely an Israeli action, Egypt, who understands the danger of arming Hamas, also enforces the blockade.

* Israel has stated publicly that it will allow humanitarian aid to pass into Gaza, after being inspected by the IDF.

* The ships attempting to run the blockade were hired and paid for by a group with known ties to terrorist organizations.

reply to post by mishigas


P-O-T-A-T-O-E P-E-E-L-E-R

Originally posted by sueloujo


Israel were condemned for killing innocent people in International waters.

When you attack somebody you are no longer innocent. If you have proof that something else happen then feel free to show it.