Israel: Love 'em or Hate 'em, There Are Always Two Sides To Every Story

It was well known what this flotilla wanted to do: they wanted to break through the blockade, and they wanted media attention.

Their intentions were well known.

There is not a SINGLE country in the world that would not stop this out at open sea rather than let them through - even the US Coast Guard stops immigrant rafts from Cuba and drug running boats out in international waters.

It's not an act of piracy. They were warned to turn away before they were boarded and refused.

I've seen the video. I see soliders rappeling onto the boat and while most flotilla members clear the area, some are physically engaging the soldiers.

Out of 700 people, there has to be at least a handful of them that are gung-ho to get physical, especially given the nature of the mission - to break through a blockade.

If you tackle somebody holding a gun, you're going to get shot. That's just common sense. Firearms are not for waving around like in the movies.

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I'm not going to debate whether the blockade is legal or moral ... the history goes back decades and there is innocent blood on the hands of all sides.

Taking this incident by itself, I have no doubt the flotilla members did some provoking, and the Israeli soldiers responded as any military force would.

Originally posted by Kharron

Originally posted by funkmob_starchild

As a country facing such hostility for its entire existence, what would you expect?
From the birth of their country, they have been hated by the rest of the Middle East.

I think that's expected when a country is established illegally and based on the suffering of others.

If China came to the western coast of the USA and said they were here 2000 years ago, does that give them the right to California? How about Alaska? What about just one city?

Stop supporting these criminals.

Read your history,

Following World War I, the League of Nations granted Great Britain the Mandate for Palestine and the responsibility for establishing "the Jewish national home" within it.

In November 1947, the United Nations voted in favor of the partition of Palestine, proposing the creation of a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a UN-administered Jerusalem.

Israel declared independence on 14 May 1948 and five neighboring Arab states attacked the next day and lost miserably.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by RedmoonMWC

Originally posted by Kharron

Originally posted by funkmob_starchild

As a country facing such hostility for its entire existence, what would you expect?
From the birth of their country, they have been hated by the rest of the Middle East.

I think that's expected when a country is established illegally and based on the suffering of others.

If China came to the western coast of the USA and said they were here 2000 years ago, does that give them the right to California? How about Alaska? What about just one city?

Stop supporting these criminals.

Read your history,

Following World War I, the League of Nations granted Great Britain the Mandate for Palestine and the responsibility for establishing "the Jewish national home" within it.

In November 1947, the United Nations voted in favor of the partition of Palestine, proposing the creation of a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a UN-administered Jerusalem.

Israel declared independence on 14 May 1948 and five neighboring Arab states attacked the next day and lost miserably.

en.wikipedia.org...

Ahhh so if the UN came and ratified the creation of Little China where California use to be then I guess that should make it all peachy for us Americans. And if neighboring States decided to help California and protect them, then THEY would be the criminals, correct?

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For a nation that bleats on so much about atrocities that they endured in the past they sure do like warmongering. This cowardly attack was so uncalled for and if anything was an israelie publicity stunt . The USA are backing out on calls for an INDEPENDENT enquiry, just calling on israel to investigate...here comes the whitewash. The uk has just told UN only response to this attack is to END blockade of gaza..this is good

the most positive sound to come out of uk for decades!!!

Originally posted by WashMoreFeet
reply to post by Compulsionist

 

Touche-
However, the point of this thread is to present another side of the scope of events regarding the above. The way things have played out over this spectacle, still does not negate the events that have led up to it. Events which are perceived by opposing points of view, and after a quick search on ATS, seem to be heavily biased against Israel. This is just a simple observation on my part, nothing more, nothing less.
My post is the "other side."

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Consider that opinion is overwhelmingly against Israel because they ARE WRONG.
It's common sense that if the majority of any community is against the actions, those actions are viewed as morally obscene.

It's quite simple. People are fed up of the Israeli propaganda. You see any person on the news defending Israel and the same BS comes out. Over and over.
We're not that stupid!

We've seen them control media. We've seen them silence reporters. We've seen them shooting innocent women and children. We've seen them using weapons that they deny using, and on LIVE TV FFS!

They seem to think that if they repeat a lie often enough it'll somehow convince the world that it's true.

Why should any sane person believe a single word that government says?

And, likewise, this credibility problem extends to those who publish facts in support of Israel's position.
Sorry to say it, but you could be completely right in many facets, but because it is in defence of Israel, I do not trust a single word. Blame Israel for that.

Israel has pereatedly betrayed the trust of the international community at every opportunity. They do not deserve the benefit of doubt in any action.

Especially when they open fire on civillians on a peaceful mission in international waters.

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The anti-Israel camp criticize Israel for being victims. I cannot think of anything more perverse than that. How can you blame a nation for being a constant target of hatred?
They may say, "Well, if everyone hates Israel, then Israel must be doing something to make them hate."
This is anti-Semitic. This is the reasoning Hitler used. He believed the Jews to be the scourge of humankind. (Sorry if this is a little extreme.)
I believe it is a case of Muslim vs. Judaism. The countries that were against Israel from day one are all Muslim. And Israel is a Jewish nation. Coincidence? No. This is an on-going religious conflict that has been going on for centuries.

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And you think Israel is totally innocent right?

They dont do a single thing to warrant any form of hatred in your eyes right?

How about meddling in American governmental policies, that enough for you?

Originally posted by Yissachar1
I am Israeli...... End of. This is BS... End of...... Disgusting.....

I don't understand.

Originally posted by RedmoonMWC

The Australian Rappel is the process of descending a fixed rope in a standing position while facing the ground. The technique is used as a military 'assault' technique where a soldier is belayed, allowing them to face down the descent and fire a weapon.

One hand for the rope one hand for the weapon. If you think the Israeli military is not trained in this maneuver you may want to do some more research as it is taught to all special forces.

en.wikipedia.org...

swatman6.tripod.com...

I feel Israel is fully withing their rights to inspect any ship wishing to cross their blockade, the U. S. does the same thing.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

Just wanted to bump this tidbit of information. Not saying which side is right just making sure the op saw this so he can take that arguement out of his original post.

Why did we need another thread for the same topic?

Mossads motto: "By way of deception, thou shalt do war". How can anyone even begin to believe these self-confessed liars?

To those screaming anti-semitism... Grow up. Look at israel for what they are.

Originally posted by brainwrek
reply to post by funkmob_starchild

 

And you think Israel is totally innocent right?

They dont do a single thing to warrant any form of hatred in your eyes right?

How about meddling in American governmental policies, that enough for you?

Here's a nice quote I found:
"For those who wish to blame Israel for 9/11, I have only a few words of advice.
Do not forget to blame the Jews for the death of Jesus Christ, the Roman Wars, the death of Cleopatra, the Fire of London, the American Independence and Civil Wars, Pearl Harbor, the Holocaust, the sinking of the Titanic, the Challenger space shuttle crash, the San Francisco earthquake, the Great Depression, the Vietnam War, AIDS and global warming."

Originally posted by brainwrek
reply to post by funkmob_starchild

 

And you think Israel is totally innocent right?

They dont do a single thing to warrant any form of hatred in your eyes right?

How about meddling in American governmental policies, that enough for you?

No I do not think Israel is totally inocent, neither side is, all I am saying is that Israel was set up in a Legal maner and did not draw first blood.

On May 14, 1948, the day before the expiration of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The following day, the armies of five Arab countries—Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq—attacked Israel,

Unprovoked attacks.
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by GobbledokTChipeater
Mossads motto: "By way of deception, thou shalt do war". How can anyone even begin to believe these self-confessed liars?

Or the CIA, or the KGB, or MI-6 ... that describes every intel org in the world. The Mossad does not corner the market when it comes to deception.

Ever more Suffering for the Jewish People and Businessmen.

Terrorist warships cannot be allowed to invade Israeli territory. This nonsense of "humanitarian aid" is clearly illegal under the terms of the Israeli Peace Blockade. Terrorist criminals must be punished.

This also represents a vicious attack on Jewish business interests for those Israelis whose income relies on legally supplying Gaza under the the challenging terms of the Peace Blockade.

Prices are high for basics in Gaza now due to the shortages caused by the Hamas/Al Quaida. The illegal importation of "humanitarian aid" will clearly hurt many Jewish businesses by lowering prices for scarce goods.

We all remember how the Nazis attacked Jewish business interests. Are we to allow a repeat of such inhumanity towards the Jewish people?

I for one salute the brave IDF commandos in tackling these Muslim/Al Qaida terrorists of the sea.

Originally posted by area6

Or the CIA, or the KGB, or MI-6 ... that describes every intel org in the world. The Mossad does not corner the market when it comes to deception.

Yes but this discussion isn't about the CIA, or the KGB, or MI-6...

Originally posted by Lionel

The illegal importation of "humanitarian aid" will clearly hurt many Jewish businesses by lowering prices for scarce goods.

Cry me a river princess. I hope one day you are starving, and no-one will give you a feed because it isn't in their best business interests.

Originally posted by Lionel

We all remember how the Nazis attacked Jewish business interests. Are we to allow a repeat of such inhumanity towards the Jewish people?

How can you even begin to compare that to a humanitarian ship?

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Originally posted by Lionel
I for one salute the brave IDF commandos in tackling these Muslim/Al Qaida terrorists of the sea.

Meaning two members of German parliament, a retired US colonel, a holocaust survivor who was present at the Nuremburg trials, a nobel prize winner.... yea damn all those "toilets"(read:Al Quaida).

Post fail!