Turkish Navy will Escort aid to Gaza

reply to post by DangerDeath

Just lift your head and try to grasp a bigger picture

I did. And I rehung it on another wall.

The people of Gaza brought all of this upon itself. By democratically electing a terrorist organization like Hamas, which fired thousands of rockets into Israel, the Palestinians in Gaza are responsible for the blockade. When are they going to learn not to piss on the big dog's tail?

This is a perfect example of how people and nations are responsible for their own problems. We can either choose self determination, or self destruction. The people of Gaza have chosen self destruction.

Are they looking to be bombed back into the stone age again so soon?

Gaza was given independence, and out of their sheer hatred of their benefactors, the Jews, they totally f****d themselves for all time. Now they will never be able to get rid of Hamas. What a shame. When Gaza bit the hand that fed them, it was all over accept the crying. Just keep on blaming the Jews, its the fashionable thing to do.

Do any of you people think that Turkey is going to solve this problem? If you do, I'd like some of whatever it is that you're smoking.

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By big dog you obviously mean the US. First post but not first sight. Really don't know where i stand as i have muslim and jewish people i know.

I can see in my naive eyes a relationship between Israel and USA (the big dog) that i dont understand, what is in it for america ?

I can also see the hatred aimed at Israel, in a very hot spot and no escape themselves, they have to fight to survive.

Stil learning here , both sides please respect pls my message. Still wondering about the US reasons, i have cousins in america and i am irish and worried abit about our ship Rachel Corrie if im truthfully honest.

I am more sad that no one here at ats seems to understand that it is the Catholic Vatican who is pulling all the strings here. It is the Vatican who is putting the pressures on Israel right now just as it was the Vatican who pays Hamas to do what they do...Why? Because it is the Vatican who wants the new peace deal to go through, it is the Vatican who knows the location of all the stones used to build the BeitYHWH or the originally named House of YaHWeH which most know as the temple. They are the ones who want their money supply back, and don't forget it was during the take over by the Mongols when they lost their precious supply of God Worshipping tourist money. At all other times during history the Catholic Whore has always owned and controlled the many many supposed holy sites where billions and billions of dollars come in each and every year and they used to get that money tax free, not once the turks took it and embedded in a secret clause of the Oslo Peace treaty is a part which gives the Catholic Vatican possesion of the Old City. I know many won't understand this as you guys fall for the MSM's ploys day and night and I doubt if any of you have been listening to the Witness prophecied of by the prophets of old, otherwise you would be hip to what's really taking place.

The Vatican has been behind all pressures and moves to move this peace process forward, all they want is what is promised in the OSLO Accord and they want it now, they don't care how many people die, especially if they hold on to any of the Laws of the Torah, which the Catholic church fights against. It is the Catholic church which fights against Righteousness more than any other, and if you don't know it yet Righteousness is the keeping of all 613 of YaHWeH's Laws as is defined by Deut 6:25...

I don't want to argue, just wanted to throw this in as many people here are completely blind to the fact that the facts show who pulls the strings and the facts match up with what the Holy Inspired Scriptures say....

What comes next you may wonder? 1/3rd of mankind in and around that fourth part of the earth is going to die by Nuclear activity, starvation, disease etc. Watch for it YaHWeH cannot lie and the scriptures should be your best source for insight as they have never lied either.

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Can't believe you haven't made the connection between America and Israel living in a Christian nation like Ireland yourself, Goose. It's not so much America, it's Christians. How can a true Christian turn his or her back on God's people. Was Christ a Jew? We have a separation of church and state in America, but nobody can separate us from our own hearts. Is it any wonder how a tiny scattered nation has eventually managed to become so successful in the world?

WOW, I didnt expect such a response. What did the Irish do ?. You either a muslim who hates the irish (catholics) or jewish who wants to disinfom. Or a fan of Proto and i count myself as one (all roads lead to rome), but in the spirit of ATS dont pls derail the thread, nice try though.

Just kindly explain why after my saying im Irish did you bring catholism into it.. please

The thread and your viral response are not related, can I call you a racist ?

Check this thread for the real reason this is all happening.

IF it was real humanitarian mission and the palestinians were starving, it wouldn't matter to hamas how the aid got there as long as it did get there.

This has now been exposed as total BS hypocrisy by the anti-Israel crowd.

reply to post by MY2Commoncentsworth


Yashua the Messiah was by no means a Jew, he was of the Yahdim who worshipped YaHWeH, the name Jesus Christ was created by Pope/Emperor Constantine at the counsel of Nicea and it the combined names of 2 of the top 10 names of all the Gods worshipped by those called to the counsel of Nicea. It is a name which is Iesus and Krishna put together and ratified by the Roman government and officially instituted as a Roman God.

There is no J sound or letter equivalent to J in the Hebrew language and never has been, therefore the historical account of this counsel backs up the fact that Jesus is an impossible name in the Hebrew language and could not have possibly been the Messiah's name. Just as your mother did not name you using chinese name and chinese alphabet as she neither spoke chinese or understood their alphabet.

The Messiah's name is and was YaHshua which means "YaHWeH will save his people from their sins. Many of you remember reading this in your bible but did not know that the Messiah's name actually meant this.

MY twocommonsensewoth I dont agree

You have survived through both sides being violent, you have had the backing of the bigger bully , obv america. We are close to a world war and I wish we we not. I dont think any God wanted Violence as the solution, we are All doing something wrong if that is our reality. I dont want the end of Israel , but I dont want palestine to be enslaved, do you have a solution ?

Iwas unsure whteher to post or not, as ive seen all the posts, defendor and agressors, and afraid of the spite back at me.

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Sizleen can you answer my question , i read proto "all roads lead to rome" and very educated about it, why did you bring up the catholics immediatly after i told you i was irish ? please that wasnt nice

ps And anyone in Israel please , in their opinion, they arrive soon, tell me if the Irish boats are Safe ?

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I'm curious, do you have anything to actually say on this topic?

Since you joined June 1 2010 (yesterday) your only posts have been the exact same statement 8 times on 7 threads; all related to Israel being condemned for it's behavior and all made within 15 min of each other (I noticed after reading it the 3rd and 4th time, back to back no less, in this thread).

Anybody home?

...or are you at work?



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reply to post by Gooseygander


Whenever logic strares you square in the face, you either attempt to rewrite history or make up some unintelligible or bizzare reason for your agenda. You appeal to the weak of mind among us to subscribe to your philosophy of conspiracy and hate. It doesn't deserve a response.

As for Turkey escorting a ship into Gaza, I'd like to see that. That's funny.

Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
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Can't believe you haven't made the connection between America and Israel living in a Christian nation like Ireland yourself, Goose. It's not so much America, it's Christians. How can a true Christian turn his or her back on God's people. Was Christ a Jew? We have a separation of church and state in America, but nobody can separate us from our own hearts. Is it any wonder how a tiny scattered nation has eventually managed to become so successful in the world?

That's quite an active imagination you got there dreaming up these fictional characters and giving 'em names, and making the false assertion that there even is a god let alone "god's chosen people" I laugh at your Pathetic attempt to poison the well.

Further more Implying church and state should be reunited is a dangerous road more travelled by white supremacists and communists TREAD CAREFULLY.

omg. has anyone heard what the israeli prime minister said. he said they are justified in their attacks and will do it again if they come back. just on cnn. well the next flotilla is being prepared to enter the same waters by the end of this week. and from the threads on here you all know what turkey's position is on this is. it will be accompanied. this is it! it will begin within the next week. where do you stand? britian and the rest of the world is/and will be pleading for israel to step down. will they? are they capable of a peaceful solution?will they feel they look weak? are they too full of arrogance to apologize and try and negotiate away from a massive war? turkey is no joke. dont be fooled into thinking israel has what turkey dont. just a week ago turkey and china agreed on turkey taking iran's plutonium for them but was shot down by the u.s. where is america's leader on all this? will he lead or fold? he is coming off as very weak. all i can think is what the turkey leader said in a statement "Turkey will not let this go," he said, adding, "Turkey's hostility is as strong as its friendship is valuable."

"Unfortunately, what happened yesterday was a dark stain on the history of humanity. Staging an armed attack on aid ships, killing innocent people and treating civilians as if they were terrorists are nothing but a degradation of humanity and vile recklessness. Even warfare has its rules. Even in warfare, no one can attack children, women, the elderly, civilians, religious officials and aid workers. Even despots, bandits and pirates have a certain sense of sensitivity. They abide by some moral principles," he said.

"The ships declared their cargo and their intention to the whole world before setting sail for Gaza. Sixty journalists from Turkey and other countries were also on board the ships to witness the campaign. It is evident that this attack on 600 people and six ships carrying aid to poor Palestinian people who were left destitute was one staged against the basic philosophy of the United Nations. The ships were laden with aid supplies and they were strictly controlled under international shipping rules. They were carrying volunteers. But they were subjected to such an armed attack," he said.

and then the kicker for me that he is not backing down was,

"We rejected Israel's offer to send us the injured passengers. We have the will and power to bring our own injured people back. Two military ambulances left to bring back the injured passengers. Civilian planes of the Ministry of Health are about to arrive there," he said
www.sott.net...

In a clear swipe at the 62-year-old Jewish state, Erdoğan said "Turkey is not a young and rootless country" and that no one should test its patience. He said that the Free Gaza flotilla was carrying "the conscience of humanity" and Israel's actions of "pouring blood and massacring was obviously state terrorism".
www.sott.net...

he stopped short of just declaring war. but israel might have heard it as a declaration of war. we will find out at the end of the week.

reply to post by MY2Commoncentsworth


Sorry for a one word answer but some post deleted otherwise....


What ?

ps - added when did i condone a turkish military naval response ? Can you retreact that please thats just wrong my friend

pps . turn the software off and your answer may make sense

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Whew! The atheist speaks! The hammer drops and the sickle reaps. OOh I'm scared, OOhhhh.

And I am 100% for separation of church and state. What I object to are the progressives who even want to ban the word "God" from our money, and the pledge of allegiance. These people are the communists. You sound like one yourself.

What's this got to do with Turkey?

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Your comment above, did you read your own post. Im not getting dragged into the rabbit hole. Sorry

Your comment above, did you read your own post. Im not getting dragged into the rabbit hole. Sorry

As for Turkey escorting a ship into Gaza, I'd like to see that. That's funny.

posted thats yours btw not mind, are you mad ? MAd not in the cross sense as i know you cross, just mentally fully aware

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Can we not forget the Irish Aid ships coming please, and please Israel be nice to them, the world loves the Irish dont Kill them



By world Im mean the 40 million yanks

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I think Egypt opened its border with gaza to allow in aid recently, why bother provoking the Israelis by running the blockade?
Although I am not in favour of the illegal blockade anyways.