Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
No you haven't answered my questions as to why you want to live in a Police State where Soldiers execute people for being kind and charitible to the suffering.

And you have no answered my questions as to why you think people who disagree with you would hold such beliefs or why you think people who disagree with you are Nazis and fascists.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


The Israel State is not asking for nor seeking foregiveness for their acts of murder, piracy, kidnapping and theft on the high seas.

Have you heard anything that sounds like an appology? Or even an admission of any guilt.

All I am hearing from them is aide workers are villians, and soldiers who murder saints.

I am prepared to foregive anyone who is prepared to admit that which they did is/was wrong.

When they don't, it's not about not foregiving them strormdancer its about getting them to see what they did was wrong.

People are dead here.

All you prohpecy loving fanty fest types try to think about that, for if you don't rest assured no one is going to shed a tear when your time comes or stand up and speak out for you, or protect you.

It's called digging one's own grave.

Israel is about to be in a huge bucket of trouble over this, the other countries in the region are now as we speak uniting to rid the area of the influeance of the Pirate state of Israel

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by georgebushpimps
Israel is about to be in a huge bucket of trouble over this, the other countries in the region are now as we speak uniting to rid the area of the influeance of the Pirate state of Israel

www.youtube.com...

Who's this guy?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The Israel State is not asking for nor seeking foregiveness for their acts of murder, piracy, kidnapping and theft on the high seas.

That doesn't matter,

What exactly is the law of forgiveness?

A god absolving someone of their sins?

You can't have it both ways you either love and forgive everyone or you do not.

Or,

You become part of the problem and encourage hate.



[edit on 023030p://bSaturday2010 by Stormdancer777]

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
No you haven't answered my questions as to why you want to live in a Police State where Soldiers execute people for being kind and charitible to the suffering.

And you have no answered my questions as to why you think people who disagree with you would hold such beliefs or why you think people who disagree with you are Nazis and fascists.

All you are doing is attempting to answer questions, with questions. That is a control and deflection tactic.

For quid pro quo to work, you must first answer the questions put to you. Answering simple straightforward questions, is not responding with questions, emotional tirades, personal accusations, or any other such deflective nonsense.

All it in fact does is display fear of the questions.

So once again, very simple questions put to you pages ago that you have done every dishonest and disingenuous thing you can do to not answer.

Why is it that you want to live in a Police State where soldiers through the use of deadly force regulate the people to the extent that providing charity and aide to others will be met with deadly force?

Why is it you think the rest of us want to live in a Police State where soldiers are used to govern the population and execute them for engaging in acts of charity?

These are simple straight forward questions put to you pages ago.

If you are afraid to answer them then just say that you need to take the Fifth Amendment right to silence as to not incriminate yourself.

Otherwise stop all the charades and answer the questions originally put forward to you with answers, not deflective questions.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


You keep avoiding the issue here Storm Dancer that the blockade is being used to starve people and deny them a quality of life as a collective punishment sold on the idea of Israel being wronged in an unforgiving way.

It's very simple and in reality most people understand and see that.

Tell me is it Israel that has the doom and gloom ancient artifact that turns us all into turnips, that you are always talking about, or do they have the stargate? Or wait is that the Nibiruans? That you are always talking about too.

Or is George Soros out to get them? Or is he out to get us.

This is a real problem, really facing us, right now, it matters how we handle it, and the status quo is NEVER a way to handle things for the better.

I get that you have lost hope and want to see one of your half dozen prophecies for doom and gloom come true, but honestly I don't.

Why don't you consider being part of the solution instead of part of the problem, and tell us too, exactly what kind of Police State you want to live in where armed soldiers regulate us all with lethal force and prohobit human beings being charitible to one another, which is the ultimate act of giving and foregiveness.

Go ahead tell us about the police state you want to live in and feel free to include what ever ancient artifact technology, space aliens, superstitions, and religious codes you want to work in to it.

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You are making yourself look bad, Proto.

Take a break.





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You have to own your owns words Proto, either you believe in love and forgiveness or you do not,

I don't know how forgiving I could be, to be honest, at least I am honest.

What about the atrocities perpetrated upon man, by man, since there was man?


[edit on 023030p://bSaturday2010 by Stormdancer777]

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

You are making yourself look bad Proto.

Take a break.

No seriously since you condone the murder of these humanitarian aide workers by soldiers tell us about the police state you think we ought to be living in.

I am able to answer questions that are put to me.

Seems like a number of people aren't able to answer that simple questions when it's put to them.

You want to complain that people don't like the fact that humanitarian aide workers have been killed by soldiers in international waters in violation of international law, so obviously you like the idea of soldiers regulating us all and preventing acts of charity, so tell us about the police state regulated by soldiers that kill people for being kind to one another that you want to live in.

No excuses, no deflection, just a simple straight answer, tell us about the police state you want to live in and want us all living in.

I am genuinely curious, and its a valid question to everyone and anyone who supports soldiers killing humanitarian aide workers.

It's a questions for everyone who thinks its a good idea to have the state to kill people while in the act of being charitible and kind to others.

That's the state you are making excuses for, and condoning, so tell us all about why you like it and think we all should.

I wanted to add one more thing, you wield a lot of power on this forum Proto, and you have many followers, use it wisely,

Stick with the love theme.



Talk about David and Goliath?

I feel so small.

isreali ppl are very proud you see this in a lot of documentaries and very violent when it doesn't come to their ppl or their ways. You see the videos of the soldiers being almost beaten to death outnumbered THEY are most likely going on the ships to tell them that they cannot help their or w.e and they get attacked because they are military and intimidating and some martys yells "WERE BEING ATTACKED" clearly the military took control because they SOMETIMES know what their doing. these people had their hearts in the right place but not their bodies lol. so instead of helping others they attack instead of passifists their martyrs? anyway prime example of isreali extremists "where in the world is osama bin laden" same dude who made super size me lmao

don't help others when they should be trying to help themselves if you concentrate on you one day you can just overpower the other side and they will succum to what you desire. monkey see monkey do

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Forgiving and tolerating a police state that uses uniformed henchmen to murder humanitarian aide workers are two different things.

Foregiveness does not mean acceptance, it means foregiving what one has done, it does not mean submitting to what one has done, and condoning them to do it and encouraging it again.

You might want to get yourself a dictionary storm dancer, or while the Zionists forum gangs are telling everyone what a 'peace activist' is supposed to be and not be, and what's supposed to be on a ship and what isn't supposed to be on a ship, are we redifining the word foregiveness too.

It does not mean accepatance, it does not mean submission, no I don't own false or misconstrued meanings of the word perverted by the supporters of a police state that condone murder of humanitarian aide workers in acts of charity.

Pretty sad storm dancer pretty sad indeed.





[edit on 5/6/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I wanted to add one more thing, you wield a lot of power on this forum Proto, and you have many followers, use it wisely,

Stick with the love theme.

Talk about David and Goliath?

I feel so small.

I am by saying NO to murdering humanitarian aide workers.

Love is not uniformed henchmen of a state murdering human beings engaged in an act of charity.

I do not condone the practice and will accept no excuses for it.

Murder is not love.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Murder is not love.

No, it isn't, but then to turn around and encourage revenge which could result in more murder of the innocent along with the guilty, is not love either.

That is this endless cycle.

So tell me,

If there is need for forgiveness,

All men are sinners?

Yes?

You said to forgive, but we need sinners to forgive.

So who enjoys the benefits of forgiveness and who does not?

If all truly loved one-another then there would be no need for laws, for no one would rape, murder, or lie, if we had this supernatural love,

but no man has it.

So are you are falling into the trap, the cycle of revenge?





[edit on 033030p://bSaturday2010 by Stormdancer777]

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Proto, remember these are your words,

post by ProtoplasmicTraveler




I am not asking for your money, I am asking for your love, and to love everyone, and to forgive everyone, by first forgiving yourself, and everyone to take off their mask, admit what is really going on, and stop playing the game, that is going to destroy us.

Now on the spiritual level that is what Proto is up too, and the Universe would not have given Proto this task, if they thought Proto uncapable of carrying it out!

Does that love and forgiveness include everyone?

Cast the first stone.

You are arguing that love and forgiveness mean turning a blind eye to atrocity, ethnic cleansing, the slaughter of civilians? Nice. To confront with words and ideas is powerful and peaceful. It is not hatred. I'm not sure what I would use for those attempting to silence those words, though.

reply to post by JohnnyElohim

You are arguing that love and forgiveness mean turning a blind eye to atrocity, ethnic cleansing, the slaughter of civilians?

No I am not, I am asking who deserves forgiveness and who doesn't?

Does it apply to everyone, or does it not,

All are guilty in some form or another.


That is not to say we don't have to pay for breaking laws, or our sins.

What does turning the other cheek mean?

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by JohnnyElohim

 

You are arguing that love and forgiveness mean turning a blind eye to atrocity, ethnic cleansing, the slaughter of civilians?

No I am not, I am asking who deserves forgiveness and who doesn't?

Does it apply to everyone, or does it not,

All are guilty in some form or another.


That is not to say we don't have to pay for breaking laws, or our sins.

What does turning the other cheek mean?

Well the people on the boat were not guilty of anything when they were attacked. One can be forgiving but still insist that certain things stop. Martin Luther King Jr. was forgiving of his oppressors but spoke with clarity and articulated frustration the ugly injustices being perpetrated. I am not calling for terrible things to happen to the Israelis, though I do believe that the Israeli military officials involved in this action should be held to account for their actions.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Who said I am encouraging revenge? I am encouraging people to be honest about the fact that Humanitarian Aide wokers have been killed by armed soldiers of a state.

It's very simple, people who want to read anything else into a situation that they are not even honestly assessing to begin with is all deflection and an utter waste of time.

I promote one thing, simple truths. This discussion is about the simple truth, not what might happen as a result of people being truthful, but what happens when people aren't truthful.

Murder of humanitarian aide workers, so people who can't even identify the simple truth of what has happened, probably ought not be wasting time imagining the motives of people who want to speak to the truth.

The truth is its own end. When people start being honest most of if not all of this nonsense will stop.

You know darn well in your heart of hearts what you are doing is not for the sake of the truth itself.

But rather a truth you want people to accept, that the murder of international aide workers in international waters on a mission of mercy by armed uniform henchmen of the state is accaptable and preferrable than to allow people to be charitible and giving to others.

So in reality like some other posters you can't honestly deal with that underlying issue, the real issue of what's happened.

You want to pretend that some how it is justifiable for uniformed agents of the state to murder people.

To murder them for being charitible, because that is exactly what has happened here.

Why you are promoting the police state I have no idea, and it doesn't even matter to me.

The only thing that matters to me, is we are truthful and arrive at the truth, and the truth is that humanitarian aide workers have been murdered by soldiers in international waters on a charitible mission.

It's very simple, and shame on anyone who wants to make it what it isn't, for the sake of politics or religion or prophecy, and shame on anyone who wants to assail people for recognizing the simple truth, and finding it to be as repugnant and morally bankrupt as it really is.

Maybe if you focused on the truth of what happened, instead of making it fit all the nonsense and dogmas, you wouldn't have to imagine people have agendas that they don't have.

My agenda is the truth, it sets people free.

You are either advocating bondage and slavery to lies, to and of
a Police State, that murders the charitible, or you are advocating the truth and freedom.

Right now it appears you are advocating slavery to lies, and to the police state.

Is that what you want? Yes or no, and it really is a yes or no question, if you deflect away from it, then no you are not interested in being truthful or the truth.

It's that simple.

Humanitarian aide workers have been murdered by soldiers.

It is that simple, and Proto condemns the act, it is that simple.



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