Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

reply to post by gambon

The hashashin were also the basis for the religion freddy mercury was a part of.....did you know that..

Didn't know that.

But I know that before battle, in most armies, soldiers are given a glass of vine or brandy or... in modern times - drugs.

My insinuation is not without ground, although I tend to mock executioners because I consider them the worst kind of slaves who have no personal conscience.

Therefore, either "drugged" or "programmed" or "indoctrinated"... anything would do.

reply to post by DangerDeath


yes I actually agree there , I hope I didnt offend you , I dont actually think I did , You cetainly do not need others fighting your battles you do well enough

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Chevalerous
Haha! good catch!

My Gawd! they are really desperate now!

It still does not change the fact that at least one Israeli was stabbed upon boarding, as the video evidence shows, pointed out by member Skellon.

No! au contraire mon ami! that is exactly what this does!

Because NOW they have lost the upper hand in the damage control game!

Because NOW! there's definitely not a question IF they are falsifying evidences or not! - without any doubts!

Because with facts like these, the world can now see with their own eyes how they are lying and are falsifying photo evidences in their damage control & propaganda efforts.

Conclusion for the rest of the world:

Sorry! but you are not to be trusted because of this - and the IDF video is probably also falsified and a fake production as well!

Sorry my IDF friend but you just lost the game!

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by DangerDeath

 

yes I actually agree there , I hope I didnt offend you , I dont actually think I did , You cetainly do not need others fighting your battles you do well enough

My friend, battles are won before the clash

You don't need to hate to win the battle. You need to know what you are doing.

Originally posted by Chevalerous
No! au contraire mon ami! that is exactly what this does!

Sorry! but you are not to be trusted because of this - and the IDF video is probably also falsified and a fake production as well!

But it was not an IDF video that showed the stabbing incident. It was video shot by the passengers, broadcast by al-Jazeera and Press.TV before the IDF shut down communications.


(Stabbing at 2:34)

While the IDF photo is suspicious, it does not change the facts. But it does raise interesting questions. If true, why did they feel the need to forge a photo when the video evidence supports their case?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


and you know all the facts ? you


Miami Cuban You are more like a rabid zionist , who calls others scum and supports genocide .

lets see your racist posts:

Wow, the love is filling the air.... Why does it feel like we are having an influx of Arab Muslims who hate Israel flooding ATS?.... The only scum are you and people like you... even if you are not an Arab Muslim that hates Israel....

you call arabs and others who criticise israel's policies scum.... disgusting

its people like you who support the destruction of poor muslim people and who make me feel that the West needs to be anhilated to save the muslim world from thermonuclear genocide

[edit on 3-6-2010 by sadchild01]

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Chevalerous
No! au contraire mon ami! that is exactly what this does!

Sorry! but you are not to be trusted because of this - and the IDF video is probably also falsified and a fake production as well!

But it was not an IDF video that showed the stabbing incident. It was video shot by the passengers, broadcast by al-Jazeera and Press.TV before the IDF shut down communications.

(Stabbing at 2:34)

While the IDF photo is suspicious, it does not change the facts. But it does raise interesting questions. If true, why did they feel the need to forge a photo when the video evidence supports their case?

First I have to say it’s comical that the IDF refers to what may have been a Molotov cocktail as being a firebomb.
Wouldn’t do to call such a thing by the Jewish name that gave rise to its use as a weapon against oppressors and Nazi like uniformed thugs and henchmen, don’t you just love the word games!

I also thought it was bizarre that they claim that the cowering soldier who turned from the aide worker defender was being stabbed in the back, when he was being stabbed in the arm.

It is amazing that a nation would attempt to vilify aide workers, by first insisting that they are ‘peace activists’ instead of aide workers, and then attacking them with heavily armed masked uniformed goons and thugs on the high seas in International waters, and declaring this is not how ‘peace activists’ are supposed to behave.


That peace activists are supposed to bow down to unlawful and intrusive and violent militant oppression, all the while never once acknowledging the brazen disregard for international law and civil rights the Israeli government is engaged in through yet more war crimes, and crimes against humanity.

Any self respecting person in the world would stand up to such a criminal police state and its uniformed goons.

That Israeli propaganda can’t even accurately describe through its captions what they are showing people with their own two eyes is even more pathetic, repugnant and reprehensible.

It’s nothing but word games, for the emotionally dysfunctional.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Executed.

Can you explain how that indicates he was executed?

What would you call it? Shooting somebody 4 times in the head and once in the chest after illegally boarding their vessel is self defense?

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
First I have to say it’s comical that the IDF refers to what may have been a Molotov cocktail as being a firebomb.
Wouldn’t do to call such a thing by the Jewish name that gave rise to its use as a weapon against oppressors and Nazi like uniformed thugs and henchmen, don’t you just love the word games!

Molotov is not a Jewish name. They are named after Vyacheslav Molotov, foreign minister under Josef Stalin, created by the Finns during the Winter War. He was an atheist, born with the surname Scriabin, but used the name Molotov when he joined the Bolshevik.

History lesson aside, what does the semantics have to do with anything? The IDF refers to the projectile (I don't think it was, it seems there would have been a flash of light; that or it was failed to ignite) as a "firebomb" and not "Molotov cocktail", it must be a conspiracy!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I also thought it was bizarre that they claim that the cowering soldier who turned from the aide worker defender was being stabbed in the back, when he was being stabbed in the arm.

Word games or not, and your rabid emotional argument aside, it does not change the facts. The facts being that he was stabbed. No amount of spin, equivocation, rationalization, lies or appeal-to-emotion changes that.

[edit on 3-6-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

Originally posted by PplVSNWO
What would you call it? Shooting somebody 4 times in the head and once in the chest after illegally boarding their vessel is self defense?

Instead of resorting to an emotional argument, can you tell us how it indicates he was executed?

For all the accusations of word-games, it seems the rabid anti-Israel faction here is keen on playing them.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


Explain to me please the rules of the POLICE STATE you want to live in, where SOLDIERS are used to control and regulate people, who want to be charitible and humane by helping others.

Explain to me why it is you think people should sumbit to jackbooted uniformed thugs and murderers that want to interfere and controll everything every one does including helping others in need, out of the kindness of one's heart.

Explain to me the reason why you think anyone in the world should submit to the armed agents of a state that imposses collective punishment on millions of men, women and children by using armed henchmen to prevent those people from getting food, medicne and economic opportunities by using systematic armed aggression against those men, woman and children and anyone who is humane enough to want to help them.

Why would any one recognize the authority of such tryrants, and where do you think their authority to impose their will through the force of arms and violence comes from that would make it acceptable for them to attack assault, kill and kidnap people on the high seas engaged in the act of helping the needy and the suffering.

Think real hard before you respond, because I will absolutely rip that type of hypocritical and dysfunctional circular logic you are trying to employ to shreds.

Let me make this real clear for you, the people of the world do not have to or need to be controlled and governed by soldiers and nor should they be, and that is all you are advocating, and such statist and class ideas are in fact what is tearing this world apart.

They are what is employed and manipulated to starve, rob, murder and rob the people of a quality of life.

Maybe you want and need a cruel and self serving and opressive master, but really I don't! I think the rest of the loving and caring and giving people of the world feel the same way.





[edit on 3/6/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I think what you are dealing with here is a might makes right mentality. People still see this as who is right and who is wrong. When in reality there is no right being implemented when armed soldiers board your vessel in international waters. Some will believe this is right because they have been conditioned to believe that those with the might are right.

So people really have to step back and ask why it was so important to use armed soldiers to inspect the freight. They could have easily said that they too were on a humanitarian mission and needed to make sure that their citizens are safe and that no harm would come to anyone by allowing a look at what they were carrying. They could have reassured them that no weapons would be brought aboard and that the inspectors were in fact on the same mission that they were. To help their fellow human beings.

Instead we see how it all went down.

Edited to add that this, in my opinion, is a divide and conquer strategy being played against us. We will need each other in the not so distant future and division will only make our demise easier for them.

[edit on 3-6-2010 by jackflap]

reply to post by DoomsdayRex

Instead of resorting to an emotional argument, can you tell us how it indicates he was executed?

You think that playing with this Zeno's aporia game is going to affect anyone but yourself? Careful, you are dipping yourself deeper into the void than your mental constitution can sustain. To face the ultimate vacuum only the most detached can. Play this petty switching subjects game somewhere else.

Political mind is a criminal mind, and avoiding responsibility by projecting righteousness is a dangerous emotional state. Denial is the ultimate emotion and results in total depletion of intelligence.






[edit on 3-6-2010 by DangerDeath]

Israelis Wonder: Has the World Lost Its Mind?

online.wsj.com...

The outcry in Israel over the operation against the Gaza flotilla has cut across political lines. Yet unlike the outrage being expressed abroad, the concern here is over tactics, not morality. "It's not enough to be right," wrote one liberal columnist in the daily Ma'ariv, "one also needs to be smart." The assumption that Israel was right to stop the flotilla—and right to maintain its siege on Hamas-led Gaza—is largely a given here.

Israel and the rest of the world seem to be speaking dissonant moral languages. How, Israelis wonder, can pro-Hamas activists wielding knives be confused for peace ...

"Pro-Hamas activists wielding knives..."



What are they doing to those people? Do we actually hear "the people" speak?

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


Is the blockade legal? No.

Therefore the ships were not the aggressors. They were simply sailing to help out an oppressed people. They are heroes.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


What kind of weapon was used? Of course there would be knives on board; they were sailing for days. Stands to reason they had a place to prepare food.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


They also took pencils, paper, and other school supplies, banned by Israel. Do you really think Israel is in the right, banning these things? The aid workers are heroes. They were taking things that will make the lives of Gazans better. And if they were taking gas masks, more power to them. The people of Gaza should be able to defend themselves from tear gas attacks.

reply to post by gambon


I don't know exactly what it is. Do I think the IDF would have color pictures? Absolutely, very possible.

reply to post by princeofpeace


The aid is not for Hamas, it is for the people of Gaza. We all know Hamas does not care about the people.

WOAH. I was just reviewing the footage from the IDFNADESK on youtube of the "closeup" of the vessel. The video is located here: SOURCE

Now here's my question....If you fast forward to the LAST 5 secs of the film...You can pretty much see all the "activists" subdued and they are all down on their knees possible...NOW WATCH the front IDF soldier.....He pulls out his SIDEARM, and it looks like a LETHAL "regular" pistol.....

This is interesting to me as I'm wondering why, if they were all subdued, would he be pulling his sidearm out NOW?