15 dead, flotilla fired upon by Israel

Originally posted by Dallas1611
reply to post by SparKzzz

 

hahahaha, keep sticking it to them SparKzzz, I love watching these muslim loving babies sqerm.
Remember, they hate us, will kill us without a second thought, AND think they are doing gods work while doing it!!!

The more that die now, the less that can kill you later. Don't defend the enemy you bunch of pansies, man up, for once.

"squerm"?

Are you propagating genocide here on ATS?

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Let's assume the mission was to kill just one or two select people? Or maybe just rough them up, or capture a few people?

Assuming..meh.
That's better than claiming I guess.
Anyway what would be the logic behind sending people in the ship in order to kill one, two, or a select bunch?
Why not use a shell, or snipers, or as I said lots of times, shoot from the helis without risking the soldiers? Why?

It could serve as a warning to the other boats, but this turned into slaughter - as (for some reason) those people on the ship didn't like seeing their freinds, wives and family members having guns with live ammunition pointed in their faces.

Learn the facts first. The other boats have followed procedures. It was the Marmara boat that had these anarchists in it, that's why it was the only ship that had a conflict at, and the only ship where people got shot at.
Other ships have been taken over before the choppers got to Marmara.

And, I have already posted a video AND close-up images of the original PAINTBALL GUNS that were used as a primary weapon (lol) in order to just deter them. So no need for the whole "guns with live ammunition" speach.

Unless you have never ever heard of a situation where unarmed people suddenly revolt against their captors / antagonists, then i think the most logical explanation is this.

Watch the videos and make up your mind. The only explanation is that IDF was sent to kill? Havn't the thought that they only wanted the ship to dock at a reasonable place, crossed your mind? Havn't you thought about the ships refusing to comply requests (and then orders) to change course?

The people on the Flotillas suspect that Israel is using an illegal blockade, so they pressed on - expecting at least a warning from Israel - but the same time, determined to deliver their authorised goods (food, water, medicine etc) to Gaza.

They were expecting a warning? How cute, so how come they ignored ALL of the warnings? Don't worry about food, water, medicine, and add to that gas, electricity, sewage, and weapons as Israel sends tons of aid weekly into Gaza. No actual loss here.

The Israeli's then mounted an assault in INTERNATIONAL waters, because otherwise Israel would have considered this as a sign of weakness to themselves.

I have already said why this was a mistake. And I also asked why is this so important. Just because there is such a law?
What difference would it make if Israel took over the ships in it's own waters? None, you guys would still run your mouthes against Israel and it's devilish army.

Maybe the commando's were a snatch squad? They cut the live feed to the ships, but didn't expect a film crew to be documenting it.

Are you for real? They documented the event themselves. Jesus wtf is wrong in this place.

Alas, the snatch or warning or whatever it was - suddenly turned nasty when people panicked and grabbed various items to protect their loved ones from the commandos who were (and had been previously reported) FIRING (possibly even before mounting the flotilla). These could have been warning shots.

Opinions and guesses again.

But either way - a struggle ensued and many people died.

Shame, shouldn't have happened.
Next time they should dock at Ashdod like it was suggested.

It was illegal. People were KILLED and injured for daring to ignore the orders of a state with a notoriety of blood thirst, and instead only wished to deliver aid to previous victims of Israel.

Blah blah blah. Yet still nobody says why were this people killed (other than me and few other sane folks).

Were they killed because the IDF was sent to kill? Yes or no? - PROVIDE PROOF OR SOURCE.

Good day

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

Originally posted by DangerDeath
I see. Israeli commandos breached their orders which were "not to kill". They will be tried for this direct disobedience

Actually if you try to think like a reasonable human-being and not an ape, you'd come to realize that they were sent to take over the ships and move them to Ashdod port, as they didn't do it themselves when asked to.
They started shooting because people attacked them with chairs and knives.

But yeah I knew my question isn't going to be answered, you just keep getting dumber and dumber with your posts.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

Originally posted by Dallas1611
reply to post by SparKzzz

 

hahahaha, keep sticking it to them SparKzzz, I love watching these muslim loving babies sqerm.
Remember, they hate us, will kill us without a second thought, AND think they are doing gods work while doing it!!!

The more that die now, the less that can kill you later. Don't defend the enemy you bunch of pansies, man up, for once.

Wow are you ignorant or just stupid ? wait don't answer it's probably both I don't like muslims and i DEFINITELY don't like the IDF So when someone i HATE kills someone i don't like it kinda gives me sympathy for them. Meh i don't know why i'm explaining this to someone who probably doesn't even know that without AMERICUH there would be no Israel and things would be ALOT better.

Without AMERICUH you'd be speaking German today, so sit tight.

reply to post by SparKzzz


NO you think imma let you get away with that the Russians would have kicked Hitler back to the stone age. Or did you conveniently forget about the USSR?

Originally posted by SparKzzz

Originally posted by DangerDeath
I see. Israeli commandos breached their orders which were "not to kill". They will be tried for this direct disobedience

Actually if you try to think like a reasonable human-being and not an ape, you'd come to realize that they were sent to take over the ships and move them to Ashdod port, as they didn't do it themselves when asked to.
They started shooting because people attacked them with chairs and knives.

But yeah I knew my question isn't going to be answered, you just keep getting dumber and dumber with your posts.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

Don't call me an ape, you'll be banned from the ATS.

Oh yeah, and a world under a communist rule is better than a world under a Nazi rule. Get real.
Seriously though, WWII is not the subject here so if you'd like open a WWII based thread and I'll be happy to take a part in it.

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Don't call me an ape, you'll be banned from the ATS.

Can you even post ONE informative post or atleast answer my damn question instead of combo-whining for some pages now?

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

Originally posted by SparKzzz
Without AMERICUH you'd be speaking German today, so sit tight.

Actually it was David Rockefeller and Prescott Sheldon Bush who funded Hitler, and eventually FDR allowed Japan to attack as an excuse to enter the war; to invade Germany for their technology.

WWII was totally staged; you don't speak German because you couldn't learn German.

EDIT: I find it humorous...this analogy you use, because you probably use Nazi Germany-born technology everyday. The space mission was German technology...I could go on.

You don't know what you are talking about., SparKzzz.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by Svoboda]

Lol. WWII was staged. So was the moon landing and aliens are among us.



... Watch for the reptilian behind you.

Conspiracy nuts! But yeah I'm sorry I keep forgetting this is ATS ;D!


Seriously if you insist on talking about WWII then I'll give up as of now. I don't intend to argue about it in this thread but if you suggest any other thread I'll be happy to jump in the fun.
And believe it or not, if you provide proof I won't even argue but actually learn something from you.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

Originally posted by SparKzzz
Oh yeah, and a world under a communist rule is better than a world under a Nazi rule. Get real.
Seriously though, WWII is not the subject here so if you'd like open a WWII based thread and I'll be happy to take a part in it.

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Don't call me an ape, you'll be banned from the ATS.

Can you even post ONE informative post or atleast answer my damn question instead of combo-whining for some pages now?

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

I say that all those who "rule" are criminals. And you can see evidence all over the place. So stop pretending that one rule of criminals is better than other.

Hamas, Israeli state, Egypt state, Turkish state, .... Nazis, Stalinists, you name it, they are all murderers, psychopats, extortioners, manipulators, looters ...

Siege of Berlin, Siege of Leningrad, Siege of Gaza, Siege of Abadan (already forgotten?), Sabra and Satila, Sarajevo, genocide of Armenians, Greeks by Turkish empire... want more proofs? There are myriad examples of organized gangs (states) terrorizing people throughout history. They are all the same, ruled by one and same idea.

Get real. Stop defending one gang by accusing the other one. They are all the same kind of criminals and degenerated creatures.

They are the enemies of billions of people on this Earth.

I'm sorry I think you got me all wrong.
The first part of the post was addressed at the dude with the soviet avatar.

The part I wrote to you came after your quote. CONFUSING I KNOW!

Just wake me up when there will be a point in your posts
..On second thought nah, good night.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

Originally posted by SparKzzz
I'm sorry I think you got me all wrong.
The first part of the post was addressed at the dude with the soviet avatar.

The part I wrote to you came after your quote. CONFUSING I KNOW!

Just wake me up when there will be a point in your posts

..On second thought nah, good night.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

You are too young to be awakened. Sleep well and have sweet dreams. The war is coming and it's not going to be nice. Maybe then, the thunder will help you wake.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by DangerDeath]

Originally posted by rationaluser
reply to post by SparKzzz

 

NO you think imma let you get away with that the Russians would have kicked Hitler back to the stone age. Or did you conveniently forget about the USSR?

hehehe..without America there would also be no Russia.
We have been taking care of you poor souls since the 80's since you can't take care of yourselfs, and half your population are starving. Must be your wonderful form of government you have over there.

But back to the main issue, muslims enjoy killing (Genesis 16:12 KJV of course: And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.)

Once again, the Bible is thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world.
And the simple facts are, Muslims hate Christians, and Jews and are commanded to kill them in over 20 places in the koran.

Christians love there enemies and pray for them.

Jews...well..jews make money, and there very good at it. Which is why a lot of white people hate them too.

Which one sounds like the peaceful and true religion to you?

Here's a hint, it isnt the one founded by a fornicating, 9 year old wife loving (of 14 others or more), foaming at the mouth, parinoid, murdering, false prophet, Bible plagiarism, liar. His name WAS (since he is stone cold dead, unlike Jesus Christ)...
mohammad. And one of his idols which he placed in Mecca was Allah.

The war truly is coming:

Revelation 19:11-21

Look it up you lazy bums, you can get a view of the fast approaching future.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by Dallas1611]

reply to post by TheOracle
Did i read you right? Peace activist on board? Do you really believe that there is a mussilm ANYWHERE that wants peace with Israel,NEVER, the koran forbids it. Once their 12th iman ( the koran prophicies about him bear a strong resemblence to the bible prophicies of the antichrist) the only peace they will offer you if you wont convert is beheading. It doesn't mater whether you believe it or not,doesn't change a thing. Israel acted in its own self intrest as any nation would (including iran),try putting a sign on a ship saying you're going to help opponents of the irianian government and see how peaceful your greeting would be, refuse to enter one of their ports so your ship can be inspected and watch how swift and violent a response you get. Everyone seems to want to deny that most european pussies, i mean people, HATE Israel, they have since that goosestepping fagot hitler had europe bowing to him. So what if they had european emmissaries on board, they hate Israel anyway,what option did they leave the IDF when they refused to stop, refused to let their ship be checked, if there were no arms on this one there were on the last one and the one before that.Unlike current U.S. policy when Israel secures it's borders - it secures it's borders, with extreme prejudice when necessary damn the u.n. condemnation, they take care of their country first. Good for them,I applaude them for doing what the current U.S. administration cannot do (cannot for fear of offending his mussilm masters). The PATHETIC attacks on israel for defending it's borders proves my point, any excuse at all to seek the destruction of Israel, come on now,pile it on you only prove my point while weakening your own.

Originally posted by rationaluser

Then you have clearly not been in a professional kitchen or any other kitchen than your own remind me NEVER to come to your house if i want some meat cutting

Really, professional chefs CUT MEAT with a flick knife intended purely for stabbing? There are chef knives in the mix there but again have you actually looked at the full picture? (The forum cuts part off). I'm assuming you havent since no rational human being would attempt to justify an actual combat sword as a cooking utensil.

Originally posted by Valdestine
Really, professional chefs CUT MEAT with a flick knife intended purely for stabbing? There are chef knives in the mix there but again have you actually looked at the full picture? (The forum cuts part off). I'm assuming you havent since no rational human being would attempt to justify an actual combat sword as a cooking utensil.

Really? I carry a knife like those folders every day. Most of those are kitchen knives, which is about as well stocked as my "kitchen armory". I see a tool for straightening rolled edges that probably came with their cutlery set, a phillips head screwdriver, two daggers and what looks like an antique Turkish dagger(I think the thing you are calling a sword) that is most likely carried for the symbolic reasons posted earlier.
I am surprised there weren't a lot more pocket knives in that pile, I am sure there are many utility uses on a vessel for a folding pocket knife besides the obvious opening of supplies once they reach port.
If it would have been me, knowing how Israel acts, I would have hired a security contractor similar to Blackwater/Xe/whatever to make sure that the ship could defend itself against these criminal Zionists

Originally posted by SparKzzz

Were they killed because the IDF was sent to kill? Yes or no? - PROVIDE PROOF OR SOURCE.

Good day

No problem. Turkish journalists are reporting that the commando's had hitlists.

salem-news.com...

Writer Kawther Salam stated in her article today, "Turkish sources and media revealed a document which shows that a death list had been prepared in advance by the Israelis, showing names and pictures of people on board of the ships to be murdered, who, according to Israel, were 'involved in the International humanitarian aid for Gaza.'

Turkish sources report hundreds of Israeli soldiers storming the blue Turkish ship “Marmara” flotilla with copies of the death list.

The list is said to have included the names of civilians on the fleet who should be killed. Kawther Salam revealed that the document was apparently recovered after one of the Israeli soldiers lost it during the piracy act.

But before we go any further - lets wait for evidence.

www.kawther.info...

On that link you will see a photograph and text. Maybe more about it will come out in a day or two.


I guess my 'assumption' was not so outlandish then eh?

info-wars.org...






[edit on 31-5-2010 by mr-lizard]

Originally posted by mr-lizard
No problem. Turkish journalists are reporting that the commando's had hitlists.

salem-news.com...

Writer Kawther Salam stated in her article today, "Turkish sources and media revealed a document which shows that a death list had been prepared in advance by the Israelis, showing names and pictures of people on board of the ships to be murdered, who, according to Israel, were 'involved in the International humanitarian aid for Gaza.'

Turkish sources report hundreds of Israeli soldiers storming the blue Turkish ship “Marmara” flotilla with copies of the death list.

So what if they claim so? Hah, where is this supposed hitlist?

The list is said to have included the names of civilians on the fleet who should be killed. Kawther Salam revealed that the document was apparently recovered after one of the Israeli soldiers lost it during the piracy act.

Are you gonna show me that list, or what?

But before we go any further - lets wait for evidence.

www.kawther.info...

Quote from within: "The military maritime piracy and massacre operation carried out by Shayetet 13, a naval commando unit, in which at least 20 peace activists were murdered and over 50 were wounded"

Hah, journalism at it's best. Couldn't even get the figures right. I mean, it's either they are right and everyone is wrong, or they are wrong and everyone else is right.

On that link you will see a photograph and text. Maybe more about it will come out in a day or two.

I see a photo of a certain notebook but the resolution is so small I can't make anything out of it. Clearly it's small on purpose as other pics on that page are high resolution...
Other than propaganda, nothing much in there:
Israeli gun boat, paid in full by German tax payers....
Lol.

I guess my 'assumption' was not so outlandish then eh?

info-wars.org...

HAHAHAH INFOWARS?
Are you seriously trying to sound convincing, using INFOWARS as source? LOL!
Again, the photograph of the book is at such a low resolution you can't make ANYTHING out of it. Wonder why! lmfao.

I wonder how they got this notebook, like every commando unit hangs around with a deathlist notebook haha.

Pitiful, easily debunked "evidence" for nothing.





I'm off to bed man.. Seriously I HOPE you guys will do better tomorrow.
Better have that "hitlist" picture ready and readable. Good luck.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]