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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by billyjack
Thanks for the reply. It seems clear to me that you have a excellent grasp of the subject.
The plume, which is roughly 20 miles (32 km) long, six miles (10 km) wide, and 100 feet (30 meters) thick, was discovered by the R.V. Pelican, a research ship, on its first mission.
Tests showed that about 30 percent of the oxygen in the plume has been depleted, which could threaten marine life -- mussels, clams, crabs, eels, jellyfish, shrimp and even sharks.
"It appears to be radiating from the spill site, so that's why we think it's a mixture of emulsified or dispersed oil, little oil fragments that are generated by the actual eruption of the fluid from the sea floor," Joye said in an interview with Reuters.
She said she was "99.8 percent sure" the plume, first spotted as "deep hydrographic anomalies", was spill-related and said it was quite possible that other, smaller, plumes existed.
00:18:02 WERE THERE SAFETY FUNCTIONS THAT WOULD SHUT IN AN ENGINE IF A GAS ALARM WENT OFF?
00:18:10 NOT AS FAR AS I KNOW.
00:18:14 EARLIER IN YOUR TEST MENNY YOU HEARD -- HOW LONG BEFORE THAT COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE DID THE FIRST...
00:18:20 WASN'T BUT WITHIN A FEW SECONDS.
00:18:26 A FEW SECONDS. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW OF ANY SAFETY DEVICES ON THE ENGINES THAT WOULD PREVENT IT FROM ...
00:18:39 AS SOON AS IT STARTS OVERSPEEDING THAT GOVERNOR IS SUPPOSED TO GO AHEAD AND SHUT RIG SAVERS DOWN...
00:18:46 WHERE IS THE RIG SAVER LOCATED?
00:18:52 RIG SAVERS ARE UNDERNEATH THE TURBOS.
00:18:54 ESSENTIALLY WHAT WOULD THE RIG SAVER DO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PREVENT --
00:18:57 IT'D CLOSE.
00:18:59 WHAT WOULD THE CLOSURE PREVENT FROM COMING IN.
00:19:03 SUCKING ANY GAS --
00:19:05 DO YOU KNOW IF THE RIG SAVER ACTIVATED? I WASN'T THERE.
00:19:06 ACTIVATED? I WASN'T THERE.
00:19:09 OKAY. ARE YOU WAYAWARE OF SAFETY DEVICES THAT AREN'T ON THE ENGINE THAT PREVENTED IT FROM RUNAWAY...
00:19:23 I MEAN, AS SOON AS THE ENGINE STARTED RUNNING UP AND STARTED THE LOWDOWN CHANGEOVER, IN OTHER WORDS,...
00:19:36 WHAT HAPPENS IF AN ENGINE RUNS AWAY IN THE PRESENCE OF GAS?
00:19:40 IT EXPLODES.
00:19:41 AND WHICH ENGINES WERE RUNNING AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT?
00:19:47 THREE AND SIX.
00:19:53 DO YOU KNOW WHICH -- IF IT WAS, THE EXPLOSION WAS A RESULT OF ONE OF THE ENGINES EXPLODING? WHAT?
00:19:57 OF ONE OF THE ENGINES EXPLODING? WHAT?
00:20:00 DO YOU KNOW IF ANY ONE OF THOSE EXPLOSIONS CAUSED THE EXPLOSION?
00:20:04 NO, SIR.
00:20:05 YOU DON'T KNOW?
00:20:09 I MEAN, I -- I'M NOT GOING TO SAY BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY FOR A FACT IT WAS THAT OR WHETHER IT WAS SOMETHING...
00:20:15 HOW DID THE ENGINE ROOM LOOKED WHEN YOU LEFT? WAS IT STILL IN TACT?
00:20:19 WELL, I WASN'T IN THE ENGINE ROOL ROOM. I WAS IN THE ENGINE CONTROL ROOM AND IT WAS TOTALLY DESTROYED.
00:20:33 WERE YOU AWARE OF ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE SHUTDOWN SAFETY DEVICES ON THE ENGINES PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT?
00:20:38 NO, SIR.
00:20:40 DO YOU KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR INSPECTING THOSE DEVICES?
00:20:48 WE DO -- P.M.s AND THEN THE E.T.s DO INSPECTIONS ALSO ON ANYTHING. IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF ALARM, ...
00:21:03 REPLACE IT. OKAY. AND DO YOU RECALL INSPECTING THOSE DEVICES IN THE RECENT PAST?
00:21:11 AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH NUMBER THREE. WE JUST GOT THROUGH DOING QUITE A FEW...
00:21:18 OKAY. AT ANY TIME DID YOU RECEIVE ANY WORD FROM THE BRIDGE? OBVIOUSLY YOU HAD A RAID YOU THAT YOU...
00:21:38 NO. OKAY, THANK YOU.
00:21:41 IN YOUR TEST MENNY YOU SAID YOU HAD FIVE ESDs ON THE PANEL STARTED FLASHING. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT...
00:21:54 WELL, I -- ALL I KNOW IS -- I KNOW -- I SAW THREE OF THEM. IT COULD HAVE BEEN FIVE.
00:21:59 OKAY.
00:22:02 BUT THE ESDs IS THE EMERGENCY SHUTDOWNS. IF YOU HAVE A FIRE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IT SHUTS DOWN...
00:22:09 THE DAMP NERVES TO THE ENGINES?
00:22:12 GOING INTO THE ENGINE ROOM.
00:22:13 WHICH WOULD CUT OFF FUEL GOING INTO THE --
00:22:14 FUEL OR AIR.
00:22:17 -- OR GAS OR ANYTHING?
00:22:18 IT SHUT OFF MAINLY THE AIR GOING -- SO YOU AIN'T GOT THE AIR AND THE FUEL MIXTURE AND ALL THAT THERE....
00:22:25 WHERE WAS THAT PANEL LOCATED THAT YOU SAW THE FLASHING LIGHTS?
00:22:30 IT WAS JUST OVER WHERE, LIKE, IT'S ON THE -- IT WAS ON THE PORT WALL JUST SIDE THE PORT DOOR GOING...
00:22:41 SO IT WAS IN THE CONTROL ROOM?
00:22:42 YES, SIR.
00:22:44 WHERE THE DOORS BLEW IN? IT WAS IN THAT CONTROL ROOM?
00:22:46 YES, SIR.
00:22:48 IT STARTED -- DID YOU HEAR GAS ALARMS, ANYTHING FIRST? NO.
00:22:51 GAS ALARMS, ANYTHING FIRST? NO. JUST ALL THE FLASHING LIGHT. AND THEN YOU COULD SEE -- OR MORE OR LESS...
00:23:02 FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WOULD THE ESD SYSTEM BE AUTOMATED THAT THESE WOULD FLASH AND THE AUTOMATION WOULD...
00:23:16 I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT --
00:23:18 IF THIS LIGHT WAS FLASHING, WOULD IT INDICATE IT'S TRYING TO SHUT SOMETHING DOWN? NO.
00:23:21 SHUT SOMETHING DOWN? NO. IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE IT -- SOMEBODY MAY HAVE TRIED PUSHING IT.
00:23:26 OKAY. SO IT'S A MANUAL -- SOME SORT OF MANUAL DEVICE SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO PUSH?
00:23:31 USUALLY IT'S -- SOMEBODY'S GOING TO PUSH A BUTTON TO SHUT SOMETHING DOWN TO TRY TO SAVE SOMETHING....
00:23:38 LIKE, IF IT SENSES A LOT OF GAS IN THE ROOM IT AUTOMATICALLY TRIPS THIS ESD? IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATION?...
00:23:49 AS FAR AS I KNOW YOU USUALLY JUST SHUT OR PUSH OR OPEN UP A LID ON IT, PUSHES THE BUTTON AND IT WILL...
00:24:01 OKAY.
00:24:03 I'M AN E.T.
00:24:05 DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE MORE THAN ONE PLACE TO PUSH THE ESD BUTTON? CAN YOU PUSH IT ON THE BRIDGE, ...
00:24:12 THREE PLACES YOU CAN PUSH IT OR COULD OPERATE IT. THE ENGINE CONTROL ROOM, THE BRIDGE, AND THE RIG...
00:24:23 BRIDGE AND THE RIG FLOOR. SO JUST FROM WHAT YOU SAW, I'M JUST TRYING TO SUMMARIZE HERE TO MAKE SURE...
00:24:39 I KNOW IT WASN'T THE ENGINE CONTROL ROOM.
00:24:41 PROBABLY THE BRIDGE OR RIG FLOOR.
00:24:43 I WOULD SAY EITHER BRIDGE OR RIG FLOOR.
00:24:44 OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.
00:24:58 MR. STONER, HAVE YOU EVER PARTICIPATED IN TESTS ON THOSE ESDs?
00:25:03 NO, SIR.
00:25:04 NO? HAVE YOU EVER PARTICIPATED IN ANY TESTS ON THE OVERSPEED DEVICES?
00:25:10 NO, SIR..
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Arbitrageur
From this interview, it doesn't sound like the guy knows what he is talking about. I have never heard of an emergency shutdown system that relies on an operator to push some button. These systems are automatic, as they have to be. They also tend to be redundant, and I would think that such a vessel would have pneumatic controlled and powered shutdown systems as well as electrical.
If the flap that shuts off air to the intake is closed, it is held tightly closed by the powerful vacuum of the engine. It is an extremely effective way of shutting down such a system.
Also, I would expect there to be an LEL detection system would be independent, although possibly tied in to shut down the generators, or more likely trigger some additional safety features. Air handling systems are usually tied more to the Lower Explosive Limit system ( I think I am remembering these acronyms correctly) which is a system to monitor explosive gases.
I had always thought the explosion occurred in the pipeline that took down the drilling vessel. I find it hard to believe that the generators could have taken this out. Sounds more like a cover up.
Originally posted by Ethericplane
This leak could have been avoid many ways, but it was not.
And it could have beens stopped by now if wanted, but it hasn't been stopped
And shores and wild life could have been much better protected, but again little.
The Government and military could have been more involved, but stay away.
And the clean up could be well under way, but it isn't.
So let me say again this oil spill was planned by the Illuminati to create anger world wide, to destroy the electrical charge of the oceans, to force the price of oil upwards, to bankrupt the people of the US, to render the Earth unable to make her leap in 2012, to dishearten the activists and environmentalists, to damage the dreams of whales and dolphins for a better world, make HAARP hurricanes even worse, to lower the vibration of the world another notch.
This much damage is easily worth a few billion for them.
Originally posted by Mike6158
Offshore, as I understand it, gas detectors are a stand alone system that is designed to shut the platform down. Not so onshore. HOWEVER... what would gas detectors shut down? The BOP didn't work and it was the only level of protection. Once the gas kick started coming there was nothing to stop it. I suspect that the volume of gas on the floor increased so quickly that nothing had time to react. Gas detectors take seconds to react. They don't work instantaneously. In that time the gas cloud could have found a source of ignition... easily.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Originally posted by Mike6158
Offshore, as I understand it, gas detectors are a stand alone system that is designed to shut the platform down. Not so onshore. HOWEVER... what would gas detectors shut down? The BOP didn't work and it was the only level of protection. Once the gas kick started coming there was nothing to stop it. I suspect that the volume of gas on the floor increased so quickly that nothing had time to react. Gas detectors take seconds to react. They don't work instantaneously. In that time the gas cloud could have found a source of ignition... easily.
I think you nailed it. This gas kick wasn't some dribbling leakage, it was a snowball effect. As more gas filled the column, the column became lighter and allowed more gas to enter it more rapidly, which lightened the weight of the column even further. Once it starts happening it's a vicious cycle and without a functioning BOP to contain it, there was nothing to stop all that explosive gas from accumulating on the rig.
It's unclear what the ignition or explosion source was but it wouldn't take a runaway engine to explode, just the gas fumes getting sucked into the engine room and looking for an ignition source was enough to find one, that's also my take on it.
Somebody did hit the ESDs, but that was too late.