Hypothetical question to skeptics about Bush's 'Pet Goat' reading event

Originally posted by hooper

Like so many questions from the conspiracist fringe, this one makes no sense whatsoever. He was in on it so he was stalling? For what? Stalling who? What was stalled? What was being stalled? Do you really think the entire US government just sits around blinking their collective eyes every minute waiting for the President to give them orders? He could have sat in there for a week, what the hell does it matter?

The government waits to follow orders from the President and Vice President. So he stalled around so people couldn't get in contact with him. This is especially true since Bush and Cheney changed military procedure so that the top military commanders had to have permission from Bush or Cheney to shoot the planes down.

Bush and Cheney changed that law a few months before September 11th. Bush and Cheney wanted the staged attacks to follow through, if the military still made the decisions like it had always been, they probably could have shot down the remaining planes before they hit anything.

It's pretty telling that the skeptics can't even answer this hypothetical questions.

I guess if Bush and his advisers stayed in that room for 10 hrs, the skeptics wouldn't find anything suspicious about it. They'd probably come up with some ridiculous explanation like "Well he's so dumb he couldn't find his way out of the room."

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
"..."I...have a job I must attain to."

"Attain to"? What the heck does that mean?

Originally posted by ATH911
Um, no dude. I don't think someone like you who's so anti-conspiracy would ever understand.

On the contrary, I understand better than you know. Namely, you people are so madly in love with these secret plots that you WANT them to be true, so everything and anything will look like suspicious activity to you becuase you WANT it to be suspicious activity. Bush staying in the classroom is stalling and therefore, "evidence of a conspiracy". Bush rushing out of the classroom was to consort with the secret agents and therefore, "evidence of a conspiracy". Bush whispering to Andrew Card was giving instructions to attack the Pentagon and therefore, "evidence of a conspiracy". Bush coughing was a signal to blow up WTC 7 and therefore, "evidence of a conspiracy". What the heck ISN'T evidence of a conspiracy to you?

So, why did you skip the question of the thread?

I didn't answer becuase he was addressing it to the skeptics, and I'm not a skeptic- you are. You are skeptical of the legitimacy of the 9/11 commission report, are you not?

I've had a while to think about this & i would have done the same as bush did.
Just say he made an excuse & left the room,then what ?? he has people to deal with these problems until he's available,there's nothing he could have done to make things any better,i know he's the commander & chief but he did what he thought was right at the time.
i think he handled it quite well to be honest.
i'm not bushes biggest fan but none of us have been in that position either,my guess is most people would have done the same

Originally posted by ATH911
It's pretty telling that the skeptics can't even answer this hypothetical questions.

Its pretty telling at this point that you have no clue on how to frame a question in the English language.

I guess if Bush and his advisers stayed in that room for 10 hrs, the skeptics wouldn't find anything suspicious about it. They'd probably come up with some ridiculous explanation like "Well he's so dumb he couldn't find his way out of the room."

Or, the people in charge of the POTUS safety decided that the safest place for the commander in chief of the armed forces of the United States of America was the one place that they knew was not under attack.

Originally posted by truthseeker911
Originally posted by hooper

Like so many questions from the conspiracist fringe, this one makes no sense whatsoever. He was in on it so he was stalling? For what? Stalling who? What was stalled? What was being stalled? Do you really think the entire US government just sits around blinking their collective eyes every minute waiting for the President to give them orders? He could have sat in there for a week, what the hell does it matter?

The government waits to follow orders from the President and Vice President. So he stalled around so people couldn't get in contact with him. This is especially true since Bush and Cheney changed military procedure so that the top military commanders had to have permission from Bush or Cheney to shoot the planes down.

Uh, the top military commanders ALWAYS had to wait for orders from the POTUS or VP. Its called chain of command. The VP is second in command should the POTUS be incapacitated.

Originally posted by truthseeker911
Bush said that he thought it was just one lousy pilot that hit the first tower. But I have to add in the fact the Bush lied about seeing the first plane hit on t.v. because that video wasn't shown until September 12th.

Yes you could put it down to just being a 'lousy pilot' but not when out of all the buildings it could had hit, it hit the world trade center.

Guess he would had sais the same if the pentagon was hit first.

He was stalling but for what reason i don't know.

I'm sure that Bush did exactly what he was allowed to do as far as not jumping up and leaving the classroom .

Presidents are surrounded by Secret Service 24/7 . If the SS felt the POTUS was in imminent danger , he would have been out of that classroom immediately .

Apparently , they felt it was safer for him to remain at that location while they did their job of making sure it was safe for him to leave . Double-checking the highways , air-traffic , etc., would have been a top priority before foolishly whisking him out of the school .

Security at the school would have been much tighter than it would have been out on an open highway .

Anyone with a basic understanding of these matters , would know that he doesn't make a move until allowed to do so by the Secret Service .

If Andrew Card had've told him Jesus or ETs were on the WhiteHouse lawn , he would not have been allowed to move until the Secret Service had taken measures to ensure his safety .

If everyone had've panicked and rushed him from the school and his motorcade was struck in some way , then we would also have a conspiracy about how the SS had set him up for the kill .

I never liked him and I didn't vote for him but , the whole 'stalling' bit is nonsense .

He was not calling the shots at that moment , as far as being able to get up and leave .

reply to post by LieBuster


" Yes you could put it down to just being a 'lousy pilot' but not when out of all the buildings it could had hit, it hit the world trade center. "

In my opinion , that is a very ridiculous statement to make .

What better way to make a BOLD statement than to strike the TALLEST buildings ?

WORLD TRADE Center . If you wanted to make a statement against capitalism and America , what buildings would you target ?

reply to post by ATH911


When did Bush know of the 1st plane attack?

reply to post by CanadianDream420


Then he can go into another room and stand there until his staff has gathered more information for him.

OR he can stay with the kids for a few more moments, knowing his staff is gathering the info he is going to need.

Either way, him staying in the room, or standing in another room waiting on information is not going to have a meaningful effect on the events.

reply to post by ararisq

When did Bush know of the 1st plane attack?

Bush arrived at school at 8:55, was informed of the 1st aircraft impact
shortly afterwards aka between 8:55-9:00.

At this time most people including Bush assumed it was accident

Between 8:55 a.m. and 9:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001: President Bush First Told About WTC Crash? Suggests Accident

President Bush’s motorcade has arrived at Booker Elementary School and Bush enters the school with his entourage. The beepers of politicians’ aides are going off with news of the first WTC crash as Bush arrives. According to one account, Bush learns of the crash when adviser Karl Rove takes Bush aside in a school corridor and tells him about the calamity. According to this account, Rove says the cause of the crash was unclear. Bush replies, “What a horrible accident!” Bush also suggests the pilot may have had a heart attack. This account is recalled by photographer Eric Draper, who was standing nearby at the time

Only after second impact at 9:03 am did everyone realize was deliberate
terrorist ttack

The question seems odd to me. Unanswerable, basically.

You posit that the reading even might have been scheduled for an hour, but just before that you claim that the 9.30 press announcement had been scheduled. How can both be true?

You say that the event was stage managed to make it look as though bush wasn't directly involved with the attacks. And yet you think that they - who carried out this stunningly complex coup - were unable to make it look convincing to you. Why if it is stage managed would they allow it to look like he was stalling?

I'll answer your question. 26 minutes. But I'd like an answer from you for my own.

What would you think if Bush had immediately left? Would it not seem suspicious, as though he already knew the extent of what was going to happen? For example, if he immediately started discussing shoot down options, wouldn't that be odd, given that he had no way of knowing other planes are in the air? Wouldn't you perhaps suggest that this might be evidence that he understood the extent of the plot a little TOO well?

Couldn't it just be as simple as Bush doing what he thought he was supposed to do?

Think about it, Card rushes up to Bush "America is under attack" walks away, he doesn't say "America is under attack lets get out of here right now". So Bush being Bush was undoubtedly uncertain what the heck he should do..Bush thinking: "hmm they didn't tell me to cut it short, the SS isn't whisking me outta here, this must mean I'm supposed to finish this first(the reading)".

So he sits there looking slightly PO'd and waits till it's all done till he can find out exactly what he's supposed to do next.

The guy could barely read a speech correctly, and if I remember correctly it was always said that Cheney was the shot caller and that Bush was the front man, the name and the face that got Cheney and his whole crew in the White House.

What I found more bothersome was the lack of action by the Secret Service. Dubya was a moron, and I could buy him prefering to sit around a group of people that share his intellectual level and pursuits, rather than grow up and be da prez.

But that the Secret Service, who don't give a **** about kids and photo ops, but the president's safety, didn't say "Right, Mr. Bush, storytime is over, the country has just been attacked by we don't know who, you're coming RIGHT now".

I mean, he was in a publically televised, well known location, that was very near an airport. Supposedly, they have no idea who or what it doing this, or what's next. I would have expected the secret service to pull him out, by force if necessary. But they didn't. That delay I find more curious than Dubya's.

Originally posted by hooper
Uh, the top military commanders ALWAYS had to wait for orders from the POTUS or VP. Its called chain of command. The VP is second in command should the POTUS be incapacitated.

...thats only true in hollywood's version of how thangs go... the prez is just a puppet - been that way for decades... not even eisenhower was THE MAN... besides, in the case of gwb, he'd been incompacitated years before he was sworn in...

This single incident best illustrates Bush's presidency: clueless. Any true leader would have calmly excused himself immediately upon being told that the country was under attack to get a complete briefing on the situation. The problem is that Bush appeared not to be in charge (say what you will but he was) and seemed to have no idea exactly how to react.

I don't see conspiracy in this only complete and utter incompetence. And yet the American people (and Diebold) elected him again. Unbelievable.

Originally posted by hooper
Or, the people in charge of the POTUS safety decided that the safest place for the commander in chief of the armed forces of the United States of America was the one place that they knew was not under attack.

How did they know the school wouldn't be attacked if they weren't in on it?

Originally posted by hooper
Uh, the top military commanders ALWAYS had to wait for orders from the POTUS or VP. Its called chain of command. The VP is second in command should the POTUS be incapacitated.

Hooper, remember when you said this earlier?

"Do you really think the entire US government just sits around blinking their collective eyes every minute waiting for the President to give them orders?"