Project SIGN: Official documents confirm UFOs and EBE into Earth atmosphere.

great find, im interested on clifford stones 57 types of ET's what if
they are mostly from one planet like earth with the likes of black,
white, Chinese, mongolian,aboriginal,japanese,Indian etc etc oh
not forgetting American sorry if a little off topic.

i only no of the basic grey, reptilian, nordic, draco ,humanoid.

surly the rest could just bee some kind of goo

back to the sign docs, they do look legit the way things were written
back then is how i would imagine it and having seen other sign docs
they look consistent with those.

Thanks for posting ..they should release every document they have ..blow us away...

Give me one reason to believe that this is not a hoax.

Why is it that Zaiger can create a phone document in the same format as the ones in the op, with the "scanned" pages looking exactly the same?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Zaiger has skills, so what?

Every doc & photo can be altered / forged / faked these days. Doesn't mean these are. Why wouldn't the government have research and contingency plans for weird scenarios?

Thanks for pointing that out though, important posts get lost in the shuffle often.

I knew Zaiger was an Agent of some sort!!!

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Give me one reason to believe that this is not a hoax.

Why is it that Zaiger can create a phone document in the same format as the ones in the op, with the "scanned" pages looking exactly the same?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

They do not look exactly the same. They just look exactly the same to you. There is a higher degree of pixelation in the letters in the doc that Zaiger posted as compared to the docs originally posted. This is not to take away anything from Zaiger's work tho. I think he's the sun the moon and the stars. I only noticed these details because I've been a graphic designer for the last 12 years. Do not mistake your ATS mod status for being an authority figure on forgeries, fakes, etc. I would be happy to demonstrate my version on a forgery if you desire.

Signals: is that "Drew Breesus"?

You can thank my Chargers for him.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by NightVision]

I was just having a hard time finding these docs myself. Where are they on www.bluebookarchive.org... ?

Edit to add:
I know the one i made was not exactly the same as the one in the OP but think about it this way. If i made 10 pages of forged documents and made it sound more legit it would pass as real because you would not have a "real" document to compare it to.
I did that one on my computer, if i really wanted to i could make a forgery that nobody would be able to argue with. I have a typewritter from the 40s and a scanner, all i would have to do is pole around online to get names and ranks and i could probably make anything i want.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by zaiger]

Ok, well I found the glaring error in this document. On the cover page you see two blacked out areas on the top and bottom. That would be where the "Secret" or "Top Secret" stamp would be. All of the pages of this document would bear the same marking on the top and bottom to prevent someone from removing one page and disguising it as something else.

They blacked out the Secret or Top secret on the cover when it was down graded in classification.

Now the error. Every page after the cover would have that same marking on the top and bottom, yet there are no black out areas on the top and bottom. You only have the unclassified stamp that they put in it after it was downgraded.

So they managed to go through the entire manual and stamp every page unclassified but failed to follow protocol to mark every page secret.

reply to post by Bluebelle

Originally posted by Bluebelle
Sure one of them was aliens, but judging by the variety of different explanations put forth it seems like whoever wrote it is no wiser than the rest of us.

The difference is simple. We live in 2010, in the information age. This document was from 1949.

What is discussed in the document is ground-breaking and tantalizing for that time.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by Scramjet76]

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So they managed to go through the entire manual and stamp every page unclassified but failed to follow protocol to mark every page secret.

Not so fast cavscout. Although your reasoning is logical, I'm afraid we can't make that assumption. We simply don't know what "protocol" was for Air Material Command in 1949.

Originally posted by zaiger
I was just having a hard time finding these docs myself. Where are they on www.bluebookarchive.org... ?

Hi Zaiger,

The relevant report appears in several places in the records of Project Bluebook.

I posted the relevant details above (and also other references, including the text of the relevant Appendix C to the Project Sign report in the Condon Report).

For ease of reference I'll repeat just a couple of those references:

reply to post by IsaacKoi

Originally posted by IsaacKoi
Complete images of the Project Sign Report are included on the redacted US National Archives and Records Administration (“NARA”) microfilm records of Project Blue Book, released to the National Archives in 1975 – see National Archives Microfilm Publication T1206 roll number 85 (“Administrative Files: Box 1”). Images of the relevant pages are at the link below from the page with the unique Page ID (“PID”) of NARA-PBB85-3 (page 3 of 915) to the page with the PID of NARA-PBB85-47 (page 47 of 1014).

Complete images of the Project Sign Report are also included on the unredacted Maxwell Air Force Base (“Maxwell”) microfilm records of Project Blue Book – see Maxwell microfilm roll number 30,362. Images of the document are at the link below from the page with the PID of MAXW-PBB1-4 (page 4 of 1537) to the page with the PID of MAXW-PBB1-49 (page 49 of 1537).

Both the above microfilm records are available online at:
www.bluebookarchive.org...

The PID numbers given above can be entered in the Search function on the Bluebookarchive.org website, or you can use the direct link below to the first page of one of the various copies of the Project Sign report on that website:

www.bluebookarchive.org...


I didn't give a direct link in my previous email to the relevant text within the Condon Report. That link (to Appendix T to the Condon Report) is:

www.project1947.com...

All the best,

Isaac

Not so fast cavscout. Although your reasoning is logical, I'm afraid we can't make that assumption. We simply don't know what "protocol" was for Air Material Command in 1949

We still have regulations pertaining to secret info that dates back to WWII when they military started dealing with the Germans

Here is an example from 1946. That method was used then, and it is still in use today. The AMC would base the requirements not on AMC, but by DOD regulations

Secret marks from 1946

I will try to find something from 1949 just to compare and show that requirement has been in use for some time

reply to post by cavscout11cav


Thanks for the information cavscout. I suppose you could be right. I actually noticed your observation as well, but didn't feel like it was a "make or break find" because the nature of the documents themselves is not make or break.

My own personal experience from working with (local) gov't, is that sometimes regulations don't hold. Some documents come stamped one way. Some come stamped another. I've looked at plenty of engineering blueprints and legal documents in my day and they are not always consistent. With that said, there is a difference between documents about (local) sewer lines or property boundaries and (national military) documents on classified subjects. I do acknowledge that.

Anyways, I took the documents at face value because they appear to be written before anyone (including gov't/military officials) even took this stuff so seriously. The documents don't point to any smoking gun. I'm not sure why anyone would spend time typing 9 pages of phony documents that ultimately don't point to any conspiracy or new knowledge.

-SJ76

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Thanks Isaac once again. I'm not sure why ATS hasn't promoted you to subject matter expert. I think that might be the only conspiracy here!
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Back on topic...

Documents being old and all that, but why is the govt now towing a different line. Makes one wonder, is it cos now they have all the tech in black ops and are in league with the ET's..

Why dont some private cos take up the challenge and build crafts akin to the black ops.

Cheers

Originally posted by zaiger


OMG UFOs are real

That is exactly what i was thinking. Photoshop can be amazing.

I wonder what all the fuss is about? We all know that the Air Force investigation of UFOs began in 1948 as Project Sign the name changing to Project Grudge later. In 1953 it morphed into Project Blue Book.

On Dec 17, 1969, the secretary of the Air Force announced the termination of Project Blue Book. As a result of these investigations and studies, the conclusions of Project Blue Book were:

> No UFO investigated, reported, and evaluated by the Air Force has ever given any indication of threat to our national security.

> There has been no evidence submitted to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as ‘unidentified’ represent technological developments or principles beyond the range of present day scientific knowledge.

> There has been no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as ‘unidentified’ are extraterrestrial vehicles.

So what’s so Earth shaking about what’s written in Project Sign? It had long been superseded by Project Blue Book which itself was terminated in 1969. All documents pertaining to its investigations have been permanently transferred to the Modern Military Branch, National Archives and Records Service, Washington and are unclassified.

In other words, there’s nothing new that the OP has brought out or which is out of the ordinary.

*Shrug*