Project SIGN: Official documents confirm UFOs and EBE into Earth atmosphere.

Originally posted by Son of Will
WHERE does this come from? It says Project Sign, but where does this specific document come from?

The document is Appendix C to the Project Sign report completed in February 1949.

I personally don't buy it.

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edit to add - Being unclassified, it should be freely available to the public... no? *looks around*

I don't blame you, given the number of fake and questionable UFO documents on the Internet.

However, Appendix C to the Project Sign report is a genuine document (although its content does not justify the title of this thread, since it does not in fact "confirm UFOs and EBE into Earth atmosphere").

The Project Sign report (including its Appendix C) is discussed in dozens of UFO books - including several by skeptics.

I'd be happy to post my list of references to those numerous discussions or send them to you by U2U.

Significantly, the complete text of Appendix C of the Project Sign Report (i.e. Valley’s report) is presented in, inter alia, the Condon Report (“Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects”, Edward U Condon (Director) and Daniel S Gillmor (Editor) (1969)) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) at pages 1384-1391 (in Appendix T) of the uncorrected version submitted to the Air Force (with the same page numbering in the 3 volume paperbound edition distributed by the National Technical Information Service, US Department of Commerce) at pages 898-904 of the Vision hardback edition (with the same page numbering in the Bantam paperback edition).

The first of these editions of the Condon Report has the same page numbering as the edition available free online at the following links:
www.project1947.com...

Complete images of the Project Sign Report are included on the redacted US National Archives and Records Administration (“NARA”) microfilm records of Project Blue Book, released to the National Archives in 1975 – see National Archives Microfilm Publication T1206 roll number 85 (“Administrative Files: Box 1”). Images of the relevant pages are at the link below from the page with the unique Page ID (“PID”) of NARA-PBB85-3 (page 3 of 915) to the page with the PID of NARA-PBB85-47 (page 47 of 1014).

Complete images of the Project Sign Report are also included on the unredacted Maxwell Air Force Base (“Maxwell”) microfilm records of Project Blue Book – see Maxwell microfilm roll number 30,362. Images of the document are at the link below from the page with the PID of MAXW-PBB1-4 (page 4 of 1537) to the page with the PID of MAXW-PBB1-49 (page 49 of 1537).

Both the above microfilm records are available online at:
www.bluebookarchive.org...


Kind Regards,

Isaac

Originally posted by cyberjedi
reply to post by Scramjet76

 

ROFL, there happens to be a scroll bar, that you could move to the right to be able to look at the content, that in the first place you could not look at.

I addressed my brain fart a few posts ago:

Thank you. This is what happens when I login to ATS before having my morning chocolate muffin and coffee.

Did you have any comments regarding the OP though?

Originally posted by knowonder
very interesting.... what proof that this document is real? If it is indeed real do we draw the conclusion is acknowledging that ET's exist?

No, the only thing this document indicates is that the Air Force was actively investigating different interpretations of UFO sighting reports in 1949. One of the possible interpretations forwarded by this obviously very intelligent analyst was that these were piloted by extraterrestrials. Given the lack of evidence at that time it was also possible that the sightings were merely a mass hallucination / panic that reached a peak in June of 1947.

Or you could just read the document yourself.

Hello,

Im not for a minute disputing the authenticity of these documents however, do you realise how easy it is to make these documents look authentic?

Its so easy that Blue Peter* could do it

Be safe and be well,


*the UK will get that lol

reply to post by freighttrain

Although it would be interesting to see more documents detailing these events on a more recent bases. Majority of these documents are being dug up from the 40-50s arras,

I work closely with a records dept from local (level) government and have my own theory on these docs.

I would take this document at face value because they don't incriminate anyone. There is no conspiracy. The reason all these declassified documents are from the 40s-60s, is simply because that is how information was stored back in the "old days." They are simply copies of old paper documents or microforms.

Storing microforms is certainly a space saver compared to filing cabinets full of paper documents. However, neither method can get close to the amount of information that can be stored digitally. If there are "modern UFO files," they are probably stored in a very secret hard drive somewhere. However... I wouldn't put any marbles into that basket either. IMO the whole secret UFO files thing is very overblown.

There is no "readers digest secret gov't UFO file" that has "all the answers." I think that is just a modern myth.





[edit on 25-5-2010 by Scramjet76]

Originally posted by freighttrain
Good thread Antor, I'm personally convinced beyond doubt that Alien Crafts have been and are visiting us for a long time now! Although it would be interesting to see more documents detailing these events on a more recent bases. Majority of these documents are being dug up from the 40-50s arras, I'm sure so much has changed in the last 50-60 years... curious what has? Perhaps some ET leaving Earth... or.. new ones visiting earth! etc..

Good thread S&F

Thanks mate.
According whit Sergeant Clifford Stone, "they" were detected 57 different ET species.

Apologize me.
I have supplied to insert the source from where these documents have been acquired.
Project Blue Book Archive.
www.bluebookarchive.org...

Originally posted by zaiger


OMG UFOs are real

This is one of the most enlightening pics I've ever seen on ATS.

Thank you.

Neo should have taken both pills, and chased it with a bottle of jd

As interesting as the document is, I think that the title of the thread is slightly misleading...........I failed to see anything in the document that confirms that UFO's and EBE's are or where in the Earth's atmosphere.

Great post Antor!

Do you have any idea when the 'Project Sign' documents were added to the the project blue book archive or when they were 'unclassified' ?

Am I missing something here? What specific parts of the document come across as intriguing?
All I can see is that there had been a number of sightings, they compiled these into different categories, and then listed the possible explanations. Sure one of them was aliens, but judging by the variety of different explanations put forth it seems like whoever wrote it is no wiser than the rest of us.

Damnit,

I don't need some documents to prove to me that UFO's are real and beyond. I need VISIBLE evidence to convince everyone else. I believe we need actual contact and communication.

I think contact with other-worldly humanoid life will not be a huge surprise to
most enlightened/intelligent humans. But the discovery that there are space
faring biological entities who draw their life's energy from magnetic fields
will totally freak everyone out. We saw lots of them in the Space Shuttle
"Tether Incident" video, but of course NASA pretended like they were
urine crystals from the shuttle toilet flushes...or something goofy like that.
-cwm

Originally posted by carewemust
I think contact with other-worldly humanoid life will not be a huge surprise to
most enlightened/intelligent humans. But the discovery that there are space
faring biological entities who draw their life's energy from magnetic fields
will totally freak everyone out. We saw lots of them in the Space Shuttle
"Tether Incident" video, but of course NASA pretended like they were
urine crystals from the shuttle toilet flushes...or something goofy like that.
-cwm

Yep, totally, and one thing the debunkers completely ignore about that is, if it was debris, they would be tumbling and orbiting in space just like some small asteroid.. but nope, those things were staying steady on one axis and then slightly roataing along one axis while slightly pulsating in light... very amazing debris those...

I tried the bluebook archive link above but all the pdf file links were broken

Originally posted by pepesilvia

Originally posted by zaiger


OMG UFOs are real

This is one of the most enlightening pics I've ever seen on ATS.

Thank you.

Neo should have taken both pills, and chased it with a bottle of jd

Enlightening?

Because traversing through forums acting like a jerk is enlightening?

I thought it was called trolling.

Project Sign presented as its official position that some Unidentified Flying Objects were of extraterrestrial origin up until the time that it was discontinued in Early 1949. This was not a conclusion that set well for public release, and so its officially released conclusion when Sign was discontinued was that a conclusion could not be made as to extraterrestrial origin of the unknowns people were seeing in the sky. In early 1949 a new group was formed and instructed to come up with more reasonable conclusions. This group called itself "Project Grudge", perhaps as a nod to its the fate of Project Sign. Project Grudge was the official immediate public predecessor to Project Blue Book.

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Oh please you are just jealous because I am in the posession of top secret documents and you are not.

reply to post by dalan.


Trolls seem to get away with murder on ATS lately - sad really...

Great to see some more declassified docs in the public view. Slowly Slowly they are desensitizing the masses as well as the local bozos - I mean we don't want the poor little darlings heads to *pop* now do we ...

Hopefully more to come

There has been so many UFO experts that have debated for such a long time as to the authenticity of leaked documents that its hard to make a judgment on what is fake and what is real anymore.

I believe any documents that we in our search for answers get to lay our eyes on (providing that they aren't obvious Fakes) is a step in the right direction.

Just because this document doesn't clearly state that UFO's are real it does not make it less important.

Every little bit helps