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Latest 2010 information regarding Nibiru/2012 here
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Given how ugly this thread has been I'm loathe to step into the fray, however...
a) Last year Nasa had on their website a detailed study on how it was now thought that our star had a companion brown dwarf after research on going from the 1950's showed that gravity does not react the way the math predicts outside our atmosphere. The first one to actually notice and speak of this was Werner Von Braum himself after launching the first American satellite.
It has been quietly reported for years about how there are irregularities in the orbits of the outer planets due to 'something'. The Nasa report on this is interesting for a couple of reasons: firstly the report stated that the existence of a brown dwarf was likely as it would not only explain some of the 'problems' that are actually present in the real world but it would also fit with the fact that the majority of stars are binary systems.
The second interesting fact is that the article is no longer available on the Nasa site. It is because of this one article being removed that I now save entire webpages on an external drive instead of just bookmarking the page.
b) All the newest telescopes being built and deployed both in space and on earth are focusing on the southern hemisphere and the IR band.
Exactly what would be required to spot this object according to what reliable facts do exist.
c) I first started following this story as a boy in the 80's. I can tell you every minute detail like it happened yesterday of the day when, standing in the magazine section of my public library, I read in Popular Science how Planet X had been found just like predicted. It was a direct result of this article that I started reading that magezine regularly for decades to come.
It was also the first time I ever heard of the Sumerians.
~~~
Now anyone who wants to flame me...fill your boots. The plain and simple fact is that there was disclosure about this almost 30 years ago and then it was covered up. If you bother to look around there are some PROFESSIONAL videos (done by journalists who have devoted years of their lives towards exposing this story) about changes that occured within a variety of governments and agencies around the world at that time.
The truth about what this object may really be is unknown; most of my research points to it being a brown dwarf that has it's own set of planets, one of which may be on an orbit that will carry it through our solar system.
Look around you shoot your mouths off. Not only is there a massive amount of evidence going back thousands of years, but look at current events...
We KNOW that there is an oil leak in the Gulf right now however between the MSM, Government and 1 corporation we are recieving little information on the truth about what is really happening.
Do you think a possible global disaster that has been known to occur on a predictable cycle would be any less? The difference is that for this coming event TPTB have had centuries of advanced warning instead of having to react on the fly.
[edit on 25-5-2010 by [davinci]]
a) Last year Nasa had on their website a detailed study on how it was now thought that our star had a companion brown dwarf after research on going from the 1950's showed that gravity does not react the way the math predicts outside our atmosphere. The first one to actually notice and speak of this was Werner Von Braum himself after launching the first American satellite.
It has been quietly reported for years about how there are irregularities in the orbits of the outer planets due to 'something'. The Nasa report on this is interesting for a couple of reasons: firstly the report stated that the existence of a brown dwarf was likely as it would not only explain some of the 'problems' that are actually present in the real world but it would also fit with the fact that the majority of stars are binary systems.
The second interesting fact is that the article is no longer available on the Nasa site. It is because of this one article being removed that I now save entire webpages on an external drive instead of just bookmarking the page.
b) All the newest telescopes being built and deployed both in space and on earth are focusing on the southern hemisphere and the IR band.
Exactly what would be required to spot this object according to what reliable facts do exist.
c) I first started following this story as a boy in the 80's. I can tell you every minute detail like it happened yesterday of the day when, standing in the magazine section of my public library, I read in Popular Science how Planet X had been found just like predicted. It was a direct result of this article that I started reading that magezine regularly for decades to come.
It was also the first time I ever heard of the Sumerians.
~~~
Now anyone who wants to flame me...fill your boots. The plain and simple fact is that there was disclosure about this almost 30 years ago and then it was covered up. If you bother to look around there are some PROFESSIONAL videos (done by journalists who have devoted years of their lives towards exposing this story) about changes that occured within a variety of governments and agencies around the world at that time.
The truth about what this object may really be is unknown; most of my research points to it being a brown dwarf that has it's own set of planets, one of which may be on an orbit that will carry it through our solar system.
Look around you shoot your mouths off. Not only is there a massive amount of evidence going back thousands of years, but look at current events...
We KNOW that there is an oil leak in the Gulf right now however between the MSM, Government and 1 corporation we are recieving little information on the truth about what is really happening.
Do you think a possible global disaster that has been known to occur on a predictable cycle would be any less? The difference is that for this coming event TPTB have had centuries of advanced warning instead of having to react on the fly.
[edit on 25-5-2010 by [davinci]]
Please, please, please... Galactic clouds that we will enter in 100 years do NOT prove that some dark star is coming our way. Neither do supermassive
blackholes ejected from a galaxy prove it either.
Can you imagine for one moment the effect that a STAR a freaking second STAR with enough mass that it is visible during the daylight... Wait a STAR, with a HUGE gravitational field and pull that is so bright it can outshine our sun... Approaching from the direction of our sun.. Can you imagine the gravitational effects? The increased heat? The orbital changes? The effects on the sun? I mean come on! How can you possibly just ignore that NOTHING has changed significantly enough to possibly show that a STAR...a WHOLE STAR...is entering out solar system. For gods sake, the Earth would be pulled out of orbit by now. I mean this star is supposedly bright enough to outshine our sun!! Our sun is strong enough to have a gravitational effect on Pluto...on PLUTO. That is pretty far!! How could it possibly be in the solar system and not already have adversly affected life on planet Earth, possibly to the point of exinction of the human race??
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Can you imagine for one moment the effect that a STAR a freaking second STAR with enough mass that it is visible during the daylight... Wait a STAR, with a HUGE gravitational field and pull that is so bright it can outshine our sun... Approaching from the direction of our sun.. Can you imagine the gravitational effects? The increased heat? The orbital changes? The effects on the sun? I mean come on! How can you possibly just ignore that NOTHING has changed significantly enough to possibly show that a STAR...a WHOLE STAR...is entering out solar system. For gods sake, the Earth would be pulled out of orbit by now. I mean this star is supposedly bright enough to outshine our sun!! Our sun is strong enough to have a gravitational effect on Pluto...on PLUTO. That is pretty far!! How could it possibly be in the solar system and not already have adversly affected life on planet Earth, possibly to the point of exinction of the human race??
Did I mention its a freaking STAR! I mean how can you think that an entire second star is going to drift into the solar system and start yanking on
all the planets with its gravity and cause an Earthquake or two. Come on! The effects would be globally devastating! Come on now.
I'll be waiting for the explanation of how 20th dimensional unicorns are emitting EMPs through the LHC to counteract the effects of the gravity and you can hear them when you slip through interdimensional time planes where Australia stole your keys.
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I'll be waiting for the explanation of how 20th dimensional unicorns are emitting EMPs through the LHC to counteract the effects of the gravity and you can hear them when you slip through interdimensional time planes where Australia stole your keys.
reply to post by dragnet53
Gullible you say?
I'm not the one quoting from unreliable sources sprouting ignorant mantra's about impeding doom.
I never believe anything I read, not until I have researched it for myself.
This includes the likes of NASA, and especially the likes of Nibiru doomsday sources.
It's a shame that more don't do this.
Gullible you say?
I'm not the one quoting from unreliable sources sprouting ignorant mantra's about impeding doom.
I never believe anything I read, not until I have researched it for myself.
This includes the likes of NASA, and especially the likes of Nibiru doomsday sources.
It's a shame that more don't do this.
reply to post by [davinci]
I doubt that something has been removed. It is more likely that the report has been updated.
The issue with the motions of the outer planets was laid to rest years ago. There were 2 types of measurement errors that led to the idea that there was a large unknown object in the solar system. One of these was measurements of the positions of the planets. The other was an accurate value for the masses of the planets. After more and better measurements of the positions of the planets and after the Voyager flyby of Neptune showed that the mass of Neptune was smaller than originally thought, the issues suggesting a large gravitational source nearby went away.
Is there something out there? We don't know. What we do know is that gravitational studies put anything out far. A planet sized object cannot be within 70AU of the sun using gravitational studies. That's out there. Pluto is 39AU away.
There are also visual studies. This is where surveys of the sky look for objects. These studies put even greater limits on what can be out there. A planet cannot be within 320AU of the sun.
None of this says that there is no new planet out there. All it says is that it must be far away.
This is not true. It is not false. You're simply misinterpreting what happened. Back in the 1970s and 1980s there was a strong thought that there might be something out there. Research was done that showed there was not anything in close. Cover up? No. More knowledge laid this idea to rest.
If there is something as massive as a brown dwarf out there it is going to quite a ways out. It is does have planets, then the orbits cannot intersect the orbits of the known planets. That would be an unstable situation in which some of the planets would be moved into orbits likely to eject one or more of the planets.
That's off the mark by a lot. The evidence is recent, not ancient. The evidence was based on the knowledge of Uranus and Neptune which are newly discovered. That evidence turned out to be wrong because of measurement error.
I doubt that something has been removed. It is more likely that the report has been updated.
The issue with the motions of the outer planets was laid to rest years ago. There were 2 types of measurement errors that led to the idea that there was a large unknown object in the solar system. One of these was measurements of the positions of the planets. The other was an accurate value for the masses of the planets. After more and better measurements of the positions of the planets and after the Voyager flyby of Neptune showed that the mass of Neptune was smaller than originally thought, the issues suggesting a large gravitational source nearby went away.
Is there something out there? We don't know. What we do know is that gravitational studies put anything out far. A planet sized object cannot be within 70AU of the sun using gravitational studies. That's out there. Pluto is 39AU away.
There are also visual studies. This is where surveys of the sky look for objects. These studies put even greater limits on what can be out there. A planet cannot be within 320AU of the sun.
None of this says that there is no new planet out there. All it says is that it must be far away.
Now anyone who wants to flame me...fill your boots. The plain and simple fact is that there was disclosure about this almost 30 years ago and then it was covered up.
This is not true. It is not false. You're simply misinterpreting what happened. Back in the 1970s and 1980s there was a strong thought that there might be something out there. Research was done that showed there was not anything in close. Cover up? No. More knowledge laid this idea to rest.
The truth about what this object may really be is unknown; most of my research points to it being a brown dwarf that has it's own set of planets, one of which may be on an orbit that will carry it through our solar system.
If there is something as massive as a brown dwarf out there it is going to quite a ways out. It is does have planets, then the orbits cannot intersect the orbits of the known planets. That would be an unstable situation in which some of the planets would be moved into orbits likely to eject one or more of the planets.
Look around you shoot your mouths off. Not only is there a massive amount of evidence going back thousands of years
That's off the mark by a lot. The evidence is recent, not ancient. The evidence was based on the knowledge of Uranus and Neptune which are newly discovered. That evidence turned out to be wrong because of measurement error.
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by One Moment
By the way, Nibiru is a DARK star. Our Sun's companion (Jupiter, is our third Star). Can't be detected by the naked eye.
Why can't we see reflected light? Jupiter reflects light.
Nibiru is denser. Simple!
A rock may reflect light but does coal? No. Why? Coal is denser and older.
Originally posted by ngchunter
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by One Moment
By the way, Nibiru is a DARK star. Our Sun's companion (Jupiter, is our third Star). Can't be detected by the naked eye.
Why can't we see reflected light? Jupiter reflects light.
If we take their words literally, a dark star means it's a black hole, which of course would not reflect light either. Taking the minimum mass of a stellar black hole, about 1.5 sun masses, and plugging into the gravity simulator using the claimed orbit of Nibiru as a guide, even at 90 degrees inclination to the plane of the ecliptic the planets become seriously out of whack years and years before the black hole reaches perihelion:
www.orbitsimulator.com...
Saturn's orbit becomes badly distorted and Pluto's orbit becomes a straight line; the black hole ejects it from our solar system long before it even gets close! The effects become downright hilarious as it passes perihelion; a whole bunch of planets are ejected from the solar system altogether!
[edit on 25-5-2010 by ngchunter]
Then, a rouge Star. A 'star' that has burnt itself out.
Forget science.
Science teaches us things based on theory, handed down guesses and conjecture.
Science is written with an eraser, consantly changing, modifying and tweaking their original ideas
Us your own mind.
The truth is out there. If you can't see it yourself (not literally rather, collectively as logic then...) turn to ancient texts.
They had NO reason to dupe us like modern academia does.
Their knowledge was based on experience not guesses!
reply to post by One Moment
Actually, that's not really right. Density has little to do with reflectivity. Coal is a good absorber of light. That's why it is dark. Diamond is a dense mineral and light goes through it. Osmium is the densest material around and its a metal. Age has little effect on reflectivity. Diamonds are often billions of years old.
The measure of the reflectivity of a celestial object is called albedo.
Albedo
The moon has an albedo of 0.072. Typical comet nuclei are 0.04. The nuclei is the lump, not the coma or tail. Mercury is 0.1.
Nibiru is denser. Simple!
A rock may reflect light but does coal? No. Why? Coal is denser and older.
Actually, that's not really right. Density has little to do with reflectivity. Coal is a good absorber of light. That's why it is dark. Diamond is a dense mineral and light goes through it. Osmium is the densest material around and its a metal. Age has little effect on reflectivity. Diamonds are often billions of years old.
The measure of the reflectivity of a celestial object is called albedo.
Albedo
The moon has an albedo of 0.072. Typical comet nuclei are 0.04. The nuclei is the lump, not the coma or tail. Mercury is 0.1.
reply to post by One Moment
A rouge star is not a burnt out star. I think you mean a brown dwarf. But hey that's like Jupiter. Jupiter is easy to spot. It's a good reflector of light.
You are mixing up the vernacular use of theory with the way it is used in science. A theory in science is a well established model that is proven time and again and is able to make predictions that test the theory.
So you think we should believe that animals talk, the earth rides on the back of a turtle, the earth is flat, the earth is the center of the universe, gods mate with humans on a regular basis, weird monsters are everywhere, etc.
A rouge star is not a burnt out star. I think you mean a brown dwarf. But hey that's like Jupiter. Jupiter is easy to spot. It's a good reflector of light.
Science teaches us things based on theory, handed down guesses and conjecture.
You are mixing up the vernacular use of theory with the way it is used in science. A theory in science is a well established model that is proven time and again and is able to make predictions that test the theory.
turn to ancient texts.
So you think we should believe that animals talk, the earth rides on the back of a turtle, the earth is flat, the earth is the center of the universe, gods mate with humans on a regular basis, weird monsters are everywhere, etc.
reply to post by rajaten
i think we should all just do what we think and feel is right. anything can be possible in this world.
you dont need to conform to anything,.
i think we should all just do what we think and feel is right. anything can be possible in this world.
you dont need to conform to anything,.
reply to post by 7even7eas
People are going to believe what they want to believe. All I know is that im going to prepare for it, formulate an escape plan into my nearest mountains, and then continue with my normal life with my mouth shut.
People are going to believe what they want to believe. All I know is that im going to prepare for it, formulate an escape plan into my nearest mountains, and then continue with my normal life with my mouth shut.
Originally posted by cmongo4
reply to post by grantbeed
What happened to decorum and civility?
Calling people fools because they do not believe what you believe is the height of the ignorance this site is "suppposed" to be about.
It's an Obama thing.
deny deny deny
reply to post by [davinci]
Yeah, I remember that article quite well and was looking for myself. I had a feeling it was removed because they knew the Nibirites will be using that article as saying it is real.
Yeah, I remember that article quite well and was looking for myself. I had a feeling it was removed because they knew the Nibirites will be using that article as saying it is real.
Originally posted by rajaten
reply to post by 7even7eas
People are going to believe what they want to believe. All I know is that im going to prepare for it, formulate an escape plan into my nearest mountains, and then continue with my normal life with my mouth shut.
I am personally getting back into shape so that way my feet can get me place where I can't go. A few years ago if this crap happened I can tell you I would die just running a few feet...
I am hoping I can land a job near some mountains. Either that or win the lottery. I got close the other day....
Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by dragnet53
Gullible you say?
I'm not the one quoting from unreliable sources sprouting ignorant mantra's about impeding doom.
I never believe anything I read, not until I have researched it for myself.
This includes the likes of NASA, and especially the likes of Nibiru doomsday sources.
It's a shame that more don't do this.
unreliable sources? OXFORD ISNT A RELIABLE SOURCE!?
okay i guess you believe 2012 hoax website is a credible source ran by a bunch of rookie astronomers? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
That is like trusting a rookie diamond cutter doing a job that requires and expert to get it done right.
Originally posted by dragnet53
reply to post by wmd_2008
HAHAHAHA he hasn't even started working on the mirror yet and he has been working on this since 2007?? Damn he sure is going to miss 2012 date!
Doh!!!! the post was to show the type of telescopes amatuers are NOW using have a look at these
www.obsessiontelescopes.com...
So who would see Nibiru first someone with a mobile phone/small video camera or people like these guys!
This topic has been debunked, and here is a video of it being debunked...
You are all being hoaxed. Open your eyes.
You are all being hoaxed. Open your eyes.
reply to post by wmd_2008
well for sure guys like him unless they make an app where you can see far off into space.....
well for sure guys like him unless they make an app where you can see far off into space.....
reply to post by dragnet53
How is it off topic, the OP posted this:
The OP is clearly supporting "jattera's" video.
The video I posted was debunking a video from "jcattera"...
So, if the OP is defending hoaxers, that only leaves one conclusion. Do you know what that is?
How is it off topic, the OP posted this:
Originally posted by rajaten
Having had a previous thread on this topic closed and rerouted to a thread of old videos by youtube user "jcattera" which were thoroughly attacked by various ATS members, I feel it necessary to fight TPTB including those on this forum that desire to suppress this knowledge.
The OP is clearly supporting "jattera's" video.
The video I posted was debunking a video from "jcattera"...
So, if the OP is defending hoaxers, that only leaves one conclusion. Do you know what that is?
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