Hostile or benevolent is irrelevant

For all we know, "Humans" are the hostile race.

We kill each other - So we'd have no issues killing ET.

Originally posted by tauempire


intelligence does not equal morality or ethics. that is a red herring last resort argument thrown out by those that advocate that aliens are peaceful.

I have been accused of putting human traits on aliens...but thats what you are doing. who's to say that aliens are peaceful? you are making a assumption based on nothing but faith.

All of you saying that aliens must 'outgrow' there warlike ways must have the faith of a saint. The truth is aliens could be many more times intelligent then us but have the morality and empathy of a psychopath/sociopath.

[edit on 23-5-2010 by tauempire]

Please read my reply carefully before responding and misreading what I have to say.

A.) I didn't say Aliens were saints, only evolved to a point where they don't turn on each other and drive their own species to extinction. If they were too agressive through out, they would not advance this far in technology simply because they wouldn't exist.

This is what you call 'inductive proof' and i'm basing it on the Fermi paradox, if you don't know about it, read it up. It would help you understand what we are trying to say without pigeonholing the argument into a hippy 'kumbayafest' which it is not.

B.) Nowhere did I say intelligence = spirital maturity

Aliens are not going to be looking out for our welfare, but they did make it this far, and so far they haven't been going on murder sprees and annihilating people on earth who have inferior technology.

That's proof right there.

[edit on 23-5-2010 by redrezo]

Originally posted by Garrett Staples
What you just said about the sociopath, is something i beleive in, and yes they are of a more higher intelligent/powered species. im not implying that they are peaceful, but i do beleive they are more bright when it comes to accepting one another. sure, maybe we are in that "phase". but who's to say thats true as well?

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself.




[edit on 23-5-2010 by redrezo]

I think tauempire is right on the money.

We are a very aggressive species. Christ........You can even ask a girl to join you for a drink without verifying that her gentlemen friend isn't in the restroom first.

And....... when mentioning followers of Buddhists just check on the civil war that's brewing up in Thailand.

Adventurism and conquest is in our blood.

After all, isn't it really oil and natural gas reserves that we are battling for now?

We really don't need to fear the aliens, but they certainly should be very wary of us before committing to what they think will be a long term, friendly relationship.

Just my two cents worth.

"Hostile or benevolent is irrelevant" - read project Camelot and you will change your mind. It is not irrelevant for us humans. And we are not only one single category, the way "they" are not.
For anyone who wants to know more of the difference between hostile and benevolent, i would suggest to read Alex Collier and Dr Salla - both are available on Biblioteca pleiades. There could be corrections later, as of some Pleiadians who currently play on their own agenda supporting actively or passively what Grey are doing. But for intro purposes, Dr Salla is may be the best one to start with. Collier despite all controversies that internet is full about him, and despite I would not agree with his (Andromedans) point of view on religion and philosophy, says things the others do not.

[edit on 23-5-2010 by Gliese581]

If you want to know our true nature...look at the chimps. they are our closet relatives......and just look at how agressive and warlike they are.We are pretty much chimps with more intelligence and 'morality'.

But deep down we are just like them.

Really primates as a species are very agressive.

Originally posted by tauempire
In 2,000 years time we have perfected the art of war. When these 'benevelont' aliens look at us...do they tremble in fear? knowing what they know about us do they dread the day we make it to the stars with advanced weaponry?

If they are a million years ahead of us, they probably have a death star type ray gun that can vaporize a planet instantly, so in that case they wouldn't be too worried.

That is the nature of our species. look at primates such as chimps...our closest relatives....they are VERY VERY aggressive.

Yes, I like watching the territorial battles on the discovery channel.

However it's thought that the chimps and the bonobos evolved from a common species on either side of the river. So the bonobos are close relatives of ours too. And they make love, not war. Lots of it. So maybe there's some hope for us, if the bonobos can do it, maybe we can too.

Chimpanzee vs Bonobo - Which team are you on?

Originally posted by BeastMaster2012
Chimpanzees are the closest animal to us, our DNA is around 94% the same. Few people realize though that there are 2 main types of chimpanzees, the common chimpanzee and the pygmy chimpanzee, aka the Bonobo! Learn more about each animal below!

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Originally posted by Arbitrageur

If they are a million years ahead of us, they probably have a death star type ray gun that can vaporize a planet instantly, so in that case they wouldn't be too worried.

Great point arbitrageur, I'd also like to add if they have the kind of knowledge to build such supremely dangerous and devastating weapons, it would logically follow that they would know how to exercise restraint better than human beings can.

The ones that don't and blow themselves to bits, don't exist.

Originally posted by redrezo
Great point arbitrageur, I'd also like to add if they have the kind of knowledge to build such supremely , it would logically follow that they would know how to exercise restraint better than human beings can.

The ones that don't and blow themselves to bits, don't exist.

Thanks redrezo.

Since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, humans HAVE built stockpiles of dangerous and devastating nuclear weapons, and have exercised restraint in using them, so we need to give ourselves a little credit for exercising a little restraint. But not too much, we may have come close to possibly using them a few times, like perhaps in the Cuban missile crisis.

And I hope the aliens would exercise restraint in the use of their ray gun too, and only use it for defense and not to attack us.

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I think the O.P has a very good point. If they were hostile I think we would of been gone already, if they are peaceful it will be a matter of time before we as a society start getting suspicious of their motives and before you know it the nukes are going off!!

But I think we have been in contact with them for a very very long time.. Im going to say from the begining of the industrial era. And our government hasnt gone to war with them yet... Who knows.I just want to ask the old time question "CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?" LOL By the way you guys should watch Planet 51 very cute movie from an aliens point of view!!

Originally posted by StarrGazer25
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I think the O.P has a very good point. If they were hostile I think we would of been gone already, if they are peaceful it will be a matter of time before we as a society start getting suspicious of their motives and before you know it the nukes are going off!!

But I think we have been in contact with them for a very very long time.. Im going to say from the begining of the industrial era. And our government hasnt gone to war with them yet... Who knows.I just want to ask the old time question "CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?" LOL By the way you guys should watch Planet 51 very cute movie from an aliens point of view!!

That would be the single most retarded thing any government could do. A literal analogy would be a group of european knights facing off against a well-armed group of modern Navy SEAL commando unit, and that's just only a 400 year gap in technology.

Aliens that have the capability to close vast distances in space and most likely much more than 400+ years in level of technology development, would have the ability to crush us like ants any time they wanted back then and today as well.

Oh, they're out there alright. But whether they are hostile or not is, IMHO, only slightly relevant..

They're simply waiting in the background for us to finally self-destruct so they can then move in and colonize.

They send a scout now and then to see how bad we're doing, and we spot them occasionally, but they're patient and know they need not interfere: we're right on track to annihilate ourselves with no help from them.

The main thing that they are concerned about is that on our way to destroying ourselves, we are also raping, pillaging, and poisoning this beautiful planet and it's fantastic diversity of flora and fauna species as well.

Sobering comfort nonetheless for our future benefactors is that the Earth is strong and resilient, and will quickly heal itself once the selfish, narcissistic humans are gone.

The primary attractant, however, is NOT the myriad natural resources, minerals, and living biomes of our world, but the incredible quantity and quality of water.

Water, something we humans take for granted, is ubiquitous in the universe, found in most solar systems to some extent, but is exceedingly rare in such quantities as found on Earth. This is what makes Earth so attractive to our waiting protagonists.

In fact, the real dilemma will be to see which alien species will be able to hold and control the Earth so it is not merely consumed for export and
intergalactic profit but instead maintained in its magnificent, oceanic state.

My supposition is that the Earth is an almost impossibly rare and valuable jewel in the cosmos, recently discovered (in astronomic terms perhaps a few thousand years ago), and now monitored and carefully observed by a consortium of EBE's whose purpose is to protect it both from humans and from rapidly converging intergalactic interests.

This is why we see the 'scouts' near nuclear powerplants, missile sites, environmental disasters and such. They are sworn to not intervene and maintain an absolute minimal contact with earthlings. Thus, they have no problem watching humans kill each other off at an accelerating pace, they may step in to halt excessive or irreparable damage to the Earth herself.

Why are they here? They're simply waiting for us to leave so they can take over. Why are we seeing more and more evidence of their presence and hearing more and more about "disclosures', etc. Isn't it obvious? They know that our demise is now inevitable and irreversible. And even more significant: it is imminent.

We should stop thinking of aliens in terms of 'good' or 'bad'. There are good ones and bad ones (as such things are determined along human notions).

Instead, they are simply citizens of the cosmos that have survived their own fragile infantile beginnings and have evolved to explore the galaxy and perhaps beyond.

Like the proverbial warring ants-on-a-hill however, humans on the other hand do not seemed destined for such a privilege. We simply can't get past our narrow-minded suicidal tendencies and are now reaching our tipping point.

They know it is just a matter of time. And not much more time at that. It took us only a few thousand years to become "technologically advanced". It took us only a couple of hundred years to burn through our resources and each other.

There is still a chance, however slight, that we will "wake up" and turn altruistic and self-preservative as a sentient species. The aliens are betting against it.

And 'the big decision' is only a few decades away at most...