Rape suspect deported 4 times

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Its all about math. American's will do the jobs, but when you take a look at the spiff folks can get on welfare, ssi, unemployment, etc, the numbers don't pencil because the wages these jobs provide.

They don't provide a decent wage because the illegals have undercut the wages. It used to be that a person could have a labor oriented job and live a decent life. Not great, but decent. That no longer happens because the illegals have come in and undercut the wages. How are they able to do that? Because they are culturally Mexican, not American and there is a difference. They are willing to live in far greater concentration, have less of an individual privacy expectation. That bad? No, in fact there is a lot to be said for it - it just ain't the way American's live or are accustomed to live. Its same way there is a difference between French and German folks. This whole business of "American's won't do the jobs" is rubbish. Americans will do the jobs if they pay enough to enable them to live like Americans. Americans are not going to do the job if they have to live like Mexicans.

It ain't racial, its cultural. I've mentioned this in another post, but go to Hawaii. There are no (or very few Mexicans). Who is doing construction? Americans. Native, Black, White, Asian Americans. All legal. Who is doing the lawn work? Same folks, all legal.

Guess what? They all make a decent wage and they have decent working conditions.

Now will we all have to pay a bit more to have Americans do this work other than illegals? Sure and we should be happy to pay $5/hour more to have our dry wall hung by an American. Americans will do the work.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


You must have missed my edit where I said that I think that you have given some good ideas on dealing with this problem. And yes I think the idea that citizens being given preference over probational workers is a good idea. I think there should be some more stipulations, but it's a start. Something needs to be done about them sending so much money back to Mexico, it is seriously hurting our economy. I don't know how we'd go about that, but there has to be a way. Maybe impose a limit on how much of their income they send to Mexico, and stipulate that if they are sending money out of the country they are not entitled to receive any help from our social programs, no food stamps, no health insurance, no subsidized housing, no free education, no financial aid for college,etc. Realistically if they need that kind of help they have no business sending money out of this country.

Our borders need to be completely closed down to prevent any more illegal entry. We simply have way too many illegals here now, and I'm sorry but some of them must go home, it has to be brought down to a reasonable number that we can properly manage. We can start by sending back anyone convicted of a crime, those that take advantage of our social help system (food stamps, health insurance, etc) and those that have been here for a short time.

I disagree with you, I believe that most Americans would do those jobs to survive.

reply to post by -Serj-


I live in Chicago. Illegals are allowed to get food stamps, medical insurance, free education, Wic, etc for their children. Lady that lives down the street from me, lives in her brother's building gets $900. a month in stamps for her kids and grandkids, plus medical. And she sells $300. a month

I've been unemployed for over two years, I have no health insurance, I can't get state health insurance because I'm an adult and I'm not disabled. So if I have to go to the emergency room I'm responsible for the whole bill, however if an adult illegal immigrant has to go to the emergency room the state picks up the tab.

How do illegal immigrants get more help than tax paying citizens ? It's not right

reply to post by chise61


I was typing when you made the edit.

I agree with the idea of a sustainable level. All criminals would be sent back and those unemployed for a certain length of time, say 90 days would be sent back. So that eliminates those using any social welfare services. Anyone who missed their monthly report with their case agent would have to go. Anyone not performing community service would be gone.

Basically any violation of their probation would equal deportation.

Now how to handle the money flow overseas or beyond the border.

The monthly report to their case agent would follow their gross earned income and expenses. They basically have to show the agent where their money is and where its going. Failure to do so equals a violation of their probation.

Any money sent beyond the US border will be subject to a heavy financial transaction tax, around 25-33%. Any attempt to get around the FTT will be in violation of their probation and result in deportation.

Originally posted by -Serj-
While i do not defend this person at all, I see some issue brought up a lot. About "illegals" being able to get foodstamps and Healthcare for free. Where do you guys live? I live in Cali and you can't get foodstamps here unless you're a legal resident or citizen, try applying for them and you will get denied.

Many of these illegals use stolen social security numbers and identities to receive welfare. They also use these to steal jobs from American citizens.

Originally posted by Serenedaisy
Aside from this poor woman being raped which is horrendous all on its own, the worst thing about this is that they will probably deport him again and in a few months he'll be back.

What do you want them to do?

They put illegals in prison, and then people get angry because they put the illegals in prison.

They deport him, and they get angry because they deported him? Maybe it can be like the wild west, we can skip the trial and have a show down, where the sherrif draws his .45 revolver and shoots the guy in the heart.

Originally posted by chise61
I'm sorry, but this just isn't true, especially in this economy.

I've been unemployed for over two years now, even with an associates degree and experience I can't find a job.

I clean houses for $50 a pop to try and make ends meet, and I know plenty of others who do the same, or similar jobs for the same reason. There are many Americans that have no shame in doing honest work to survive. When people say that Americans won't do the same work, that's simply an excuse to justify those jobs being given to illegals.

I don't understand why so many start their observations off in the defensive mode of "I'm sorry" before stating something. That is beyond annoying, and I am not sorry about it at all.

I have a lot of people suggest I do things like clean houses, etc to make extra cash. Around here the economy is so bad that it seems like everyone is trying to do just that, therefore there are not enough of even these jobs to go around.

I've been without a regular job for almost two years now. I never qualified for unemployment. I barely have a roof over my head. KY is one of the worst places in this country to find a job. Most of the people I know are unemployed. There are a lot of illegals holding jobs around here though.

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I havent heard of someone who is "ilegal" being able to qualify for a state health insurance it's just not possible.

Originally posted by -Serj-
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I havent heard of someone who is "ilegal" being able to qualify for a state health insurance it's just not possible.

Ah, you haven't been to Cook County general have you or any of the state funded clinics. You conveniently left out the food stamps that they receive, I guess you are aware of that.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


These are all good ideas. Just remember that them being employed does not mean that they do not receive our social services. Here in Illinois you can still receive food stamps, medical, housing subsidies, and sometimes even cash depending on your income. They also have the Spanish Housing Coalition that sometimes pays their rent for them, and sometimes more than their rent & they keep the difference. So they must tie in with the social service computer system and keep track of if they are receiving these services or not. They must not be allowed to receive these services if they are sending money out of this country.

The problem is that our government is never going to do all of that. Especially when Calderon gets wind of it and starts flappin his gums to the POTUS and congress. They'll all bow down to him again when he starts crying about the injustices that we lay upon "HIS PEOPLE".

Sorry for the delayed replys. I just can't seem to spell or type today, keep hitting the wrong keys

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
You people are sick of illegals raping and drinking and fighting?

This has NOTHING to do with race. It has to do with human nature. When did hate speech become OK on this website?

*pictures of white people*

Point is? This rape has nothing to do with the guy being a Mexican or not nor an illegal one. It's human nature to commit such horrible acts..look at the examples of vile creatures above.

I don't know, maybe I'm the only non racist here now days.

Indeed. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is clearly a racist. But seriously, calling someone a racist repeatedly does not make it more true than it already is.

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reply to post by prionace glauca


Then you haven't read my previous posts have you? Well now that I think about it "illegals" are able to get food stamps if they have children that were born here. While they're not able to get them if they live by themselves nor can they go on unemployment benefits.

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reply to post by chise61


If I was POTUS I would tell Calderon, if these are his people, then we will be sending him a bill annually.

He can either pay tribute or we would throw NAFTA in the trash and cut off financial aid.

Originally posted by -Serj-
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Then you haven't read my previous posts have you? Well now that I think about it "illegals" are able to get food stamps if they have children that were born here. While they're not able to get them if they live by themselves nor can they go on unemployment benefits.

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What do you think stolen Identity Information is for silly?
Why would Illegals want to apply for unemployment benefits? Do they even have problem getting employment?

If they are unemployed, why do they even bother staying here...oh wait light bulb just turned on, maybe its because of the benefits and free from laws attitude they can not enjoy back home.



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reply to post by -Serj-


Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean that it's not true. You do live in Cali after all, isn't that where you said you lived ? So you have no idea what is possible in Illinois. My grandchildren come home with papers from school all the time stating that a parent's immigration status does not effect their children's ability to receive food stamps and medical insurance. Please don't attempt to tell me what is or isn't possible, and what does and does not happen in my state, city, and county. Maybe you're unaware of the fact that Cook County has sanctuary status.

And PG is right you must not have ever spent any time in Cook County Hospital, any of their clinics, or the state funded clinics. Heck Cook County Hospital even has problems with people coming from other counties and even other states to receive medical treatment and medications.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Good idea. If I could speak to that man, I'd tell him to take "his people" home with him so we can be done with it.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


I was actually thinking of starting a thread along those lines, but to be honest I'm feeling far too lazy. I hope someone does though, it would be interesting to see what people think of that idea.

reply to post by Jessicamsa


When I start out with "I'm sorry" I'm not saying it in a defensive way. Unless I say something in anger, I'm never sorry for what I say.

There aren't enough jobs like that to go around over here anymore either. I statred doing that over seven years ago when I stayed home to help with my grandson ( 3 1/2 momths premature, many health problems) and held on to them even after I went back to work, which is why I still have a cpl. I did lose most of them though after the economy took a nose dive, the ones I didn't lose went from once a week to once every other week.

I finally got a chance to read through this thread and there is something that I would like to address.

The point of this thread is to illustrate how porous the borders truly are!

For those already crying racism try thinking a little bit before you post. I am not trying to paint all illegals as scum based on this one incident. I am amazed anyone is dumb enough to think that.

I guess no one else wants to say it so i will.

If you are caught within the United States Illegally and commit a heinous crime against a US citizen, you should be executed. Period.

If an American man entered Mexico, raped a Mexican woman and got caught, I can assure you he would be killed long before he ever got sent back.