Cop looking for directions kills woman's dog

Originally posted by kj6754
reply to post by illusive man

 

Man I fully agree with you.

People say that he acted calmly but how else do you react when dealing with a firearm?

When a dog charges at you like that you don't know what its going to do. You have no idea how an owner trained the dog. That dog could have attacked the officer and the situation could have been much worse.

I would have done the same thing in the officer's position.

The lesson to this is to train your dogs properly! Other people are not

responsible for your pets!!!

Training vicious animals.... That's a good idea!

We shall start with the police.

Originally posted by lee anoma

Seriously though...why do YOU think he did it?

- Lee

My opinion, because it's easier to shoot something than to think.

This cop has not got the mental bus fare to travel to criminal town.

Originally posted by Shark VA84

If your leo's don't want to be held accountable for the actions of other leo's then you need to regulate in house. You know damn well what I'm talking about...your continuing protection of "the brotherhood" is perfect grounds for the rest of us to hate on you. Cops love to bitch about the stress and danger involved in their line of work....no one cares, you took the damn job, don't expect special consideration or treatment.

THIS +1

You sir, are on the ball when it comes to clear thinking.

If they don't have the mettle to do the job properly, they should go make burgers.

Imagine a world where brain surgeons could claim they were scared, under stress, having a reaction to something, etc that I've seen used as justification here for police, for being incapable of performing their job.

GTFO is the general rule there... and they might put in 8-10 years of their life to become that, but hey, if they can't too bad..

Sometimes a bad cop is just a bad cop, and not a poor honourable cop under duress.

Originally posted by lee anoma
-He was lost in a town he patrols
-He was embarrassed he was lost
-He didnt want to bother dispatch
-He had radio troubles
-His GPS didnt work
-He was close to location he was looking for but just quite couldnt find it

The problems, as I see them, are:

1) Even if he was lost, he had no legal business being on that property. No crime was being committed, no probable cause, no warrant, no exigent circumstance. That puts him at a disadvantage in terms of claiming qualified immunity. He had no NEED to be there, and in fact, he's committing either technical or constructive trespass. While a deputy or sheriff has a traditional right to open field access, they do NOT for what is called "curtilage", which is your house and immediate grounds. If you see one on your property and order them off, and they do not go, they escalate to "constructive trespass" and in most cases they can be arrested for it, if you can get a state policeman out there to do it.


2) While on that property for no reason, he elected to kill the woman's animal rather than simply get back in the car and leave. It's obvious he could have done so. Combined with no business being there, I'd say if the woman can get the guy in court, he's toast. Personally, I'd like to see her hit him with felony animal cruelty but you'd never get the local prosecutorial staff to do it, because they have a conflict of interest involved. Maybe if he'd hacked the dog to death with a knife, then cavorted around wiping the blood on himself and gnawing on the dog's entrails. Simply murdering the animal for no reason won't do it. She'll have to go to civil court.

3) The entire business of trying to bribe her to not show the video - I really hope she has a recording of that, too. It would be great if they could construe it as trying to suborn testimony.

4) If the local DA had any nads, he'd hit the guy with at least filing a known false police document, although technically he could take him for perjury as well.

Hopefully she'll get a kick-ass lawyer and smack this guy, the Sheriff, and the county for all it's worth. Odds are they'll just refuse to prosecute.

Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by skull_bones

When you're lost...all houses are random.

Police officers do not get lost in the towns they patrol.

I cant tell you why he was there but im pretty sure it wasnt for directions.

If he needed directions that is what the dispatcher is for.

You say such things as if they are absolutes when you have no idea what the circumstances of his being lost even entailed.

Perhaps he was embarrassed about being lost or simply didn't want to bother the dispatcher with something so trivial and personal. Perhaps he had just encountered some radio troubles. Maybe the location he was looking for used to be near that home and he figured that the owner would probably know where to direct him.

You act like the guy is guilty just because he wanted to ask someone for directions.
That is absurd.

I've had officers ask me before.
They're human beings too.

I guess if they ask you though, they should expect a tongue-lashing.

- Lee

All emergency vehicles have GPS. If he was embarrassed then for one thing he is too immature to be a police officer and secondly he could have would have used his GPS.

If you are on another person property, especially out in the middle of the country you dont kill someones 30 lb dog. A 30 lb dog cannot inflict much damage and this one if you know dogs was not looking like he was attacking at all. Reach for the tazor, pepper spray or door handle to the vehicle, you dont just kill someones loved one in the yard.

reply to post by lee anoma


Your posting of dog bite statistics is a sad commentary. Over 1,000 dog bites treated daily is tragic but so are the thousands of dog cruelty cases. The bottom line is that there are many humans that have little knowledge, understanding, or desire to understand dogs, often their own pets. I spent over three years as a Warden and was never bitten. And I guarantee that I have handled more dogs, nasty or otherwise, than most. I might suggest watching a few episodes of the Dog Whisperer...he has been bitten several times and has never blamed the dog.

I also investigated many dog bites, including visiting victims that were usually children, at hospitals. That did not change what I knew about dogs it only told me that people were as irresponsible with their pets as they were/are with many things in life. I believe that if people want to understand how others can mistreat pets, then watch to see the way many humans treat their own.

In the video, that dog was acting aggressive and the officer showed fear. Canines are very territorial by nature and this was a stranger on his "ground". He was trying to intimidate the LEO and it worked. Frankly, if that dog had come running at me in the same way, I would put my hands in front of me, tell it sternly to stop and then start talking gently to it once it did. The key is getting its attention with your voice so it starts looking at you as a person, not a dangerous intruder. I have tamed a barking aggressive dog many times that way.

The officer in this video was scared...by a lone dog. His life was not in danger and he resorted to deadly force out of fear. Or, as I said before, a coward.

What a terrible officer. He needs to be fired. If he cannot handle a dog running toward him without shooting it i have no idea how he would deal with an actual criminal.

Couldnt he have tased the dog instead?

Or instead of taking 10 seconds to walk back, he could have opened his door and hoped into the car.

Or he could have lifted his leg and put his boot between himself and the dog. Hell, he could have even kicked the dog to make it go away, not nice but better than shooting it.

He could have pepper sprayed it too. also not nice but a few hours and a bath later and the dog woulda been a happy camper.

Didnt look like he moved his lips... did the cop even yell at the dog? maybe try shouting NO!, stop!, Down! sit! heel!

That guy is a disgrace to law enforcement. I'd love to get my hands on him. Some people need the sense beat into them.

Originally posted by Gamecock
What a terrible officer. He needs to be fired. If he cannot handle a dog running toward him without shooting it i have no idea how he would deal with an actual criminal.

Couldnt he have tased the dog instead?

Or instead of taking 10 seconds to walk back, he could have opened his door and hoped into the car.

Or he could have lifted his leg and put his boot between himself and the dog. Hell, he could have even kicked the dog to make it go away, not nice but better than shooting it.

He could have pepper sprayed it too. also not nice but a few hours and a bath later and the dog woulda been a happy camper.

Didnt look like he moved his lips... did the cop even yell at the dog? maybe try shouting NO!, stop!, Down! sit! heel!

That guy is a disgrace to law enforcement. I'd love to get my hands on him. Some people need the sense beat into them.

But those things would not give that sicko cop a rush of twisted gratification from firing his gun and killing....most cops LOVE to get that gat in their hands and to shoot it...well, it is as close to orgasmic as it gets for a cop mentality. It is like an ejaculation for a cop....he gets a thrill from smelling the cordite and feeling that baby kick in his hand..

they fel like big men when they get to shoot their little pistols and it is very frustrating for cops to practice all the time and never get to shoot...so they just wait until a situation presents itself where they can do it, and so they do!!

That sick cop, no doubt a psychiatrists nightmare, likely got off on seeing that poor poochie screaming and writing as he died...the COWARD COP is a murderer just waiting for a victim...I guarantee you that he would do the same to a person if he thought he could get away with it...bloodlust is sadly a demented but common trait of cops.

Well the law in PA still has it that police officers and other public servants are a "protected" class as mentioned above me they took the job why the protected class status that doesnt cover relatives or anything else just the police officer and such... what about the citizens why are citizens not the protected class i know when i was in Iraq i wasnt a protected class I can think of at least a hundred instances when a marine shot a dog that probably would eat your ass if it could getting charged for what they called a "misfire" shooting dogs at war is bad for Public Relations and aparently armored and heavily armed marines were supposed to have other means to quell the feral animal. I have come to find a swift boot to the dogs grizzly face worked pretty good. Some instances it was necassary to put the dog down and even those had to be corroborated by at least 3 other marines so if marines dont do it why cant the police?

Originally posted by illusive man
reply to post by N.of norml

 

its just a Dog, seeing the Video,
it was running full throtal at the copper,
he was right in shooting it,

yes i know i will be gunned down by the animal lovers of ATS

same and I am a delivery driver and almost had some owners for fun try to get their dog to attack me. Only two instances but still those owners were bad owners. It was probably an owner that didn't like cops and decided to release the dog.

I have serious disdain for those who hate cops for no apparent reason. I do feel for those who have been harassed by cops for no apparent reason. Because I myself have been harassed by some.



[edit on 19-5-2010 by dragnet53]

Originally posted by LoneGunMan





All emergency vehicles have GPS. If he was embarrassed then for one thing he is too immature to be a police officer and secondly he could have would have used his GPS.

If you are on another person property, especially out in the middle of the country you dont kill someones 30 lb dog. A 30 lb dog cannot inflict much damage and this one if you know dogs was not looking like he was attacking at all. Reach for the tazor, pepper spray or door handle to the vehicle, you dont just kill someones loved one in the yard.

Yes, I do agree with you. I think the cop harshly reacted and should of tazed the dog. but you know dog lovers they would still blame the cop even if he did that. Just more excuse to hate on the five-o.

Originally posted by dragnet53

Originally posted by illusive man
reply to post by N.of norml

 

its just a Dog, seeing the Video,
it was running full throtal at the copper,
he was right in shooting it,

yes i know i will be gunned down by the animal lovers of ATS

same and I am a delivery driver and almost had some owners for fun try to get their dog to attack me. Only two instances but still those owners were bad owners. It was probably an owner that didn't like cops and decided to release the dog.

I have serious disdain for those who hate cops for no apparent reason. I do feel for those who have been harassed by cops for no apparent reason. Because I myself have been harassed by some.



[edit on 19-5-2010 by dragnet53]

Lmao...

I Had.. It looked like...

And

Those who have serious disdain with no reason.

You ignore the evidence, put your own anecdotal evidence forward then make an opinionated statement in order to accuse people who do not ignore the evidence as being in the wrong.

The evidence shows a grown man, capable of a number of means to protect himself, using the most easiest method and thus killing someones pet.

Makes him a coward and not worth the uniform he wears.

The Dog was alive protecting his loved ones home patch, and then he was shot down like so much vermin.
RIP poor pooch.
You will have your day.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by illusive man
reply to post by LucidDreamer85

 

yay another person to compare a Kid to a Dog
seriously whats with that?

Why do you hate dogs. There must be a story behind that. Tell us about it?

i dont hate Dogs
i just dont care if one gets shot running towards someone like that,
the owner was at fault for not keeping it tied up.
this incident could have esily been outside the womans property considering the Dog wasnt restrained any way.

I really dont know WHY i ever click on police enforfement gone awry videos, they always make me so angry! And yes I know there do happen to be decent cops out there, but its scary when the good ones seem ever so few and far between these days.. the statement made in an earlier reply here that the creepy kids that torture cats, disembowel squirrels and the like, yup they most likely do go for the police jobs.. I have said for awhile now only control freaks, and power hungry sadists seem to be filling the LE jobs these days at an alarming rate.. but someones always bound to come in feeling some socital duty to jump to the pigs defense no matter what situation took place.. the decent cops in the force today must, for the large percentage be older cops, the newer cops (there are always exceptions who arent this way) are the gung ho power tripping types.. did the pass percentage for the tests to be one fall dramatically over the years???
this is really sad, as was the other videos mentioned in the OP.. i hate when innocent animals suffer or die through human stupidity

[edit on 20-5-2010 by Full_Vision]

Originally posted by illusive man


i dont hate Dogs
i just dont care if one gets shot running towards someone like that,
the owner was at fault for not keeping it tied up.
this incident could have esily been outside the womans property considering the Dog wasnt restrained any way.

Na... you are wrong in this case!!

You don't care if one gets shot running towards another like that

Well, thats just swell... so if i was in your neighborhood and decided to walk towards your front door to ask you directions to some place but at the corner of my eye i see a nice doggy getting ready to run towards me... you wouldn't mind if i shot it? (Not that i'd do such a thing mind you, just Hyperpathetically speaking).

The owner was at fault for not keeping it tied up

No she wasn't... by the look of the video, the house is like way off the main road and not close to any other houses... it was probably having a nap on the front lawn (unless it came running out when the front door was opened in which case i'd have to check the video again but i didnt see any evidence of that).. why she would need to keep the dog on a leash when there is no other houses nearby is beyond me.

this incident could have esily been outside the womans property considering the Dog wasnt restrained any way.

It DID happen outside the womans property.

I think we have to ask a few questions,

Was or did the dog make any threatening moves against the officers?

Was the dog an illegal immagrant?

Did he have the proper papers?

Was the dog on medicaid or food stamps?

Could this be considered doggie profiling by police?

It looks to me like the dog was running at the cop, but not straight at him. The dog looks to have been trying to get behind him to bark. My dog does that for some reason sometimes. All he does is bark though. He's never tried to jump on or bite anyone, but he sure does put on a show - which is HIS JOB.

Man with gun comes onto property. Dog raises a rukus in a protective manner.

Dog shot in line of duty.

From a dog's perspective, that cop was a hostile invader.

Well, from mine too, to be honest.
I trust a mean pitt bull better than a gentle cop most days. A mean pitt bull might kill me, but he can't legally take everything my family owns and put me in a cage for years to be beaten & tasered at his leisure.

FWIW one does not tie a rural dog up. It defeats the reason for having the dog as a working part of the family,which is to WARN of company coming to Greet the company as a first check of intent and also to discourage any predators/vermin from accessing the property.
Let me reiterate for those who live in an urban situation or are ignorant of the role a dog plays in rural life, unless the dog is a habitual wanderer a country dog free roams and knows very well the "boundaries" of their property and most do not leave it. Note this unrestrained dog did not run down the long drive to greet he was right in the courtyard of the house.
Now ask your self about the man who shot him. Has he never come across a rural dog? Is he really ignorant that it is instinctive for dogs to check out intruders? Has he as a LEO never dealt with an animal in a non-lethal manner?
I can only imagine the firestorm which would ensure if this officer came to my home and was greeted (note greet not threaten) by my 100lb amstaff and 80lb katrina rescue mutt. They come out barking and as soon as a door opens the are begging for attention within seconds of assessing you. Their first assesment of unknown visitors is how I base my greeting. If my dogs don't like you, leave, they are better judges of character than most people.
They free roam as tied dogs get eaten by mountain lions here and they cannot do their job of patroling my 7acres.
So yeah if a cop came over my bridge which is marked no entry and livestock dogs on duty and capped my dogs for running to them they would be sniped from the house with a 45-70 in the throat and the car and body dumped down a long ravine.
As I said and some cannot comprehend is the dog has the right to roam all over your property and in rural settings and this is much desired. It has the right to run up on any one who comes on your land even run up with teeth bared and it is not actionable until it actually attacks. I have been through this now with two dogs who were smart SOB's and would stand at the properties edge and not let anyone past until I gave the OK and I never had any crime befall me even as it hit all my neighbors.
Local delivery folks were introduced and soon were greeted with joy by both dogs in anticipation of dog bones. Peddlers and such either wait in their car or leave.
As for a cop coming on my land. The wisest thing they could do is drive in and honk the horn if approaching a rural home with a dog unannounced. Which if this cop had a brain would have done considering his unrational fear of a knee high pup.

And my final word to those who think all this A-OK and the cop a victim of a "loose" dog need to realize the dog was not "loose" he was on his property and would not have been loose unless about 100yards down the drive at the county road. This PD need to get a country boy on rural patrol who knows what a farm dog is for and how to deal with one instead of a quaking lily scared of a knee high pooch.
I would go so far as to say unless you can deal physically with a 100lb dog without your gun you have NO busines being a cop as if you cannot handle a dog, you cannot handle a man.
N.

I wanted to post this again, as it appears to have become lost in the shuffle ......


It appears this deputy, Sean Knight is quite a piece of work.


after the dog shooting incident he was fired from an off duty security position for falsifying time sheets.

The department stated they would not press charges because that is not a crime, however it is, because falsifying time sheets equals theft from a company.

It's obvious this guy's a scum bag who feels he can do whatever he wants without consequences, ... and his department only cover's his azz.

here's the article

chickashanews.com...