Cop looking for directions kills woman's dog

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Those of you who blame all Cops for the actions of a tiny number of them who are bad, are just as bad in my book however. Your the reason I keep a 45 in my desk drawer and a shotgun under my bed. I've never known a Cop Hater who was not themselves a criminal.

What does your hatred for your fellow man have to do with this story? You are armed and ready to kill anyone who dares question the Police State. Isn't that just special.

As for the patriot that stands against the Police State, this cop in the video represents, you call them criminal? Brilliant deduction!

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Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by Mobius1974
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

If I kick a police dog.... Instantly I am arrested for assaulting a police officer!!!! I am replying to the other poster, not you Blain
You can not have it both ways. When I see a K9 officer.. I wonder why the more intelligent one is riding in the back.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by Mobius1974]

I think you are confused. I never responded to you. I don't know what your talking about.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by Mobius1974]

reply to post by Blaine91555


Edit it to what? I clarified that it was NOT directed at you.. No need for edit!

reply to post by romanmel


That is not Patriotism period. Most Officers are good people and to say otherwise is a lie. This Police State only exists in your mind. That makes you far more dangerous than any Cop could ever be. Your world is a criminals wet dream where the person with the biggest gun rules.

Shall we return to the topic of the thread? Let's do that.

The topic is: Cop Looking for directions kills woman's dog. It is, oddly enough, not about each other.

The personal nonsense stops.

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I was referring to deleting where it says its a reply to a post by me. Don't worry about it. Its not that important.

reply to post by seagull


No problem here. This thread is turning nuts. Way to much coffee represented here. Bye.

reply to post by Blaine91555


I was actually backing your post.. I am rather new to posting here..so it was just a mistake.
And in a reply to your post about anti-cop folks are normally criminals... Just like all cops arent bad.. all anti cops arent criminals.
I am 35 and have not even had a speeding ticket. I see videos like this and the countless others.. I think they are power drunk uneducated folks...that were picked on in school. This officer had at least 5 other options... he made the exact WRONG decision. I hope when this dog owner renames HER town.. She names it after the dog that was murdered!!

Originally posted by skull_bones
OK lets see whats more plausible

That he was there for some othe reason

or

-He was lost in a town he patrols
-He was embarrassed he was lost
-He didnt want to bother dispatch
-He had radio troubles
-His GPS didnt work
-He was close to location he was looking for but just quite couldnt find it

SO what's your explanation?
He's just plain evil and the devil sent him over to kill some strangers dog?

Right that settles it then.
I guess you really have a lock on things and aren't acting out of a pure emotional response.

Seriously? I'm sorry but him actually being lost is a lot more plausible and reasonable that deeming the man a monster based on a few minutes of footage.

How long has this officer been patrolling the town, do you even know?
How can you possibly assume the man cannot get lost in this particular town?
Do you even know if he patrols that area? Have you lived there?
When did he joined the force and was he born in that town?
If he was born there, does that still negate the possibility of him being lost in an area he never frequents?

PLEASE.

You seem to be full of assumptions and speculation yet disregard any other real-life scenarios and logic in place of unreasonable blame and simple assertions about how evil officers want to kill us and our pets.

One minute you say it is impossible for an officer to become lost then in the next you say if they do then they can radio dispatch.

That fact that you cannot even conceive of the possibility of an officer being lost shows just how biased you really are. No wonder so many innocent people end up on death row, you've made up your mind and convicted a man without even hearing his side of the story.

Case closed I guess.

Im sure you can come up with some other ridiculous scenerio, but i dont think we need to.

Being lost is a ridiculous scenario??

Wow.

Yeah sure, we all know cops never make mistakes.

With all that sophisticated equipment, human error never factors into any action they take. They have never accidentally raided the wrong house before, that kind of thing never happens.

If I were to GOOGLE "Cops Raid Wrong House" I'm sure I'd get no hits.



- Lee

As a former Animal Warden, I faced situations like this more than once and never had to resort to a gun, although I was armed. Unless a dog is trained to attack a human, like a K-9, chances are that they will turn as soon as one shows that they are not intimidated.

One time I had a huge dog charge me from a porch about 30 yards away. I set up a pepper spray cloud in front of me and when he hit it, he did a 90 degree turn and decided I was not worth it. Another time, I was pinned to a wall with 2 dogs between me and my vehicle, no pepper spray or gun on me. Once I pulled my belt out, they both took off.

This cop is a coward and has no idea how to handle a dog. Nor, I suspect, a human.

I can't believe people are still trying to justify the pig's actions. Standing up for cops just because they're in a position of power, and apparently everything they do is right. Some people can't just get it through their head though.
And hey, don't they have training or something, he really could've done anything and everything except for resorting to that move. But you'll continue to be loyal to the police department and continue believing the lies that are told to you, and disregard another's life, just because it isn't human. They've done the same to humans, it wasn't because they were scared, it was because they're cold murderers who just might've been pissed off that day so he took it out on something, inappropriately. Let's see what happens when he does this to someone's father next time, or someone's child. Because it's so easy to defend a human against something that may carry diseases and is an animal and must therefore be "beneath" us. What does that say about us as humans? It says we're cold, and if it isn't us, then we won't treat with the same dignity and respect, in a way like racism. If you don't have the same colored skin as me, or religion, or even opinion, then I hate you, because that is apparently the human way. Sickening.

I need to correct my previous post. It was late for me when I was researching and I believed this case happened in Texas, but it was actually Oklahoma. I can't find any relevant case law on this subject or plaintiff, so I'm thinking it was settled quietly out of court.

All comments aside the police did lie, try to cover it up and offered her a bribe. I will keep looking for relevant cases, but I only had enough time to go over the thread, catch my mistake and briefly do some case studies.

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by lee anoma

 

No excuse whatsoever for using a gun to kill a dog on the private property of the dog owner.

Wrong.

As an officer of the law it would absolutely depend on his reason for being on the property. In Oklahoma, if it was in an official capacity, even if he was just there to deliver a ticket, and her dog ran and charged him in an aggressive manner and he killed it before or after it bit him she would be responsible and liable.

According to the State of Oklahoma:

42.1. Personal injury by dog--Liability of owner.

The owner or owners of any dog shall be liable for damages to the full amount of any damages sustained when his dog, without provocation, bites or injures any person while such person is in or on a place where he has a lawful right to be.

4-42.2. Lawful presence on owner's property, what constitutes—Public place, what is.

For the purpose of this act a person shall be considered to be lawfully upon the private property of the owner of a dog when he is on such property in the performance of any duty imposed upon him by the laws of this state, or by the laws of the United States, or the postal regulations of the United States, or when reading meters, or making repairs to any public utility or service located on said premises, or when working on said property at the request of the owner or any tenant having a lease upon any portion of said property, or when on such property upon the invitation, either expressed or implied, of the owner or lessee of such property. The term "public place" shall, for the purpose of this act, mean and include any and all public buildings, parks, playgrounds and recreational facilities, and any and all places of business, amusement or entertainment which are privately owned, wherein merchandise, property, services, entertainment or facilities are offered for sale, hire, lease, or use. Oklahoma Dog Bite Center

There are circumstances when someone can be on your property 'lawfully" even if you didn't personally give them permission to be there.

So if say, someone came to deliver the mail, or read a meter and this dog came charging at them, attacked them, or it was killed in the process of self-defense, then it would be the owners fault for being stupid enough to leave this animal unmonitored, unfenced, and unleashed when it behaves that aggressively toward strangers.

From what I can tell the dog would charge at ANYONE.

I also read that the Deputy was attempting to serve "Tax Warrants" in the area. Now I'm not saying he was completely justified in his actions, and his reasons for being there were of an official capacity which would extend to asking for directions in the process of it, but to claim that under no circumstances could he take lethal action against the animal on the owners property is untrue.

Seriously, if your dog behaves like this when unleashed and unmonitored, what is wrong with leashing it or getting a fence?
Do you really think its okay for a dog to aggressively rush over at people who pass near, or enter onto a persons property?
Is this a very neighborly approach to take?

You guys love dogs, yet have no concept of animal control and safety.
I would never let this happen to my dog by presenting the possibility.

The cop had pulled on to the private property of thiis person.

He did pull slightly into the womans' driveway according to the video. He's allowed to do that in an unofficial capacity, unless she had a "No Trespassing! Keep Out! No Solicitations!" sign up.

Did she?

God forbid a stranger gets confused and in an attempt to keep from being further lost tries to ask a resident for help.

I guess it's okay if you get eaten alive in that case, right?

As it is, he meerly proved he's a jerk!

Thanks, your honor.
Glad you looked at all the facts before your ruling.

I'll take the prisoner to the chair, now.

Seriously though...why do YOU think he did it?

- Lee

Originally posted by Beaux
As a former Animal Warden, I faced situations like this more than once and never had to resort to a gun, although I was armed. Unless a dog is trained to attack a human, like a K-9, chances are that they will turn as soon as one shows that they are not intimidated.

Then how do you account for this?

Dog bite statistics
Each day, over 1,000 U.S. citizens require emergency treatment for dog bite injury.

The following studies examine injury occurrence and the breeds most likely to bite.
Dog bite deaths and maimings U.S. and Canada (1982-2009)

By compiling U.S. and Canadian press accounts between 1982 and 2009, Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People, determined the breeds most responsible for serious injury and death:
The combination of pit bulls, rottweilers, presa canarios, and their mixes:

* 80% of attacks that induce bodily harm
* 69% of attacks to children
* 83% of attack to adults
* 68% of attacks that result in fatalities
* 74% that result in maiming

U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities (2006-2008)

DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group, recorded 88 U.S. fatal dog attacks between January 1, 2006 and December 31, 2008. Pit bulls accounted for 59% of these deaths. Dogsbite.org

I shouldn't be bitten, maimed or killed just because I am intimidated by a barking charging dog.
That is normal reaction and you can't fault someone for having it.

I love dogs but guys, lets not be in denial here.
I think the love of dogs and hatred of police are combining into a very delusional stance.

Dog owners need to be responsible with their animals if they truly care about them.

I would never let my dog roam unleashed and unfenced because I cannot guarantee with absolute certainty that he would never leave my property or honestly say what he would do if he did.

Yet he is the most loving and intelligent animal I have ever had.

The owner was irresponsible with an aggressive dog, and no amount of conspiracy theories or assumptions regarding his possible evil nature can truly give a rational reason for what the officer did.

It is utterly ridiculous to think he pulled up just to get out and kill a strangers dog. I am sure there are any number of strays he could have blown away if he had the kind of blood-lust some of you are describing.

Just think about it.

Is he liable?
Possibly.

Is the owner?
Possibly.

- Lee

Originally posted by Beaux
As a former Animal Warden, I faced situations like this more than once and never had to resort to a gun, although I was armed. Unless a dog is trained to attack a human, like a K-9, chances are that they will turn as soon as one shows that they are not intimidated.

One time I had a huge dog charge me from a porch about 30 yards away. I set up a pepper spray cloud in front of me and when he hit it, he did a 90 degree turn and decided I was not worth it. Another time, I was pinned to a wall with 2 dogs between me and my vehicle, no pepper spray or gun on me. Once I pulled my belt out, they both took off.

This cop is a coward and has no idea how to handle a dog. Nor, I suspect, a human.

Thank god there are still men in this world.

You're a man, so you found a way to handle those dogs.
The cop was a mean little mouse, who had to shoot the puppy that fwightied him.

Some years back I was in a neighbour's yard to talk to them about their all-night noisy parties rather than get cops involved, and he set his dog, trained to attack, onto me. (He was a pusher and kept this rottweiler/bull terrier cross to keep the police at bay.)

This is Australia, where you don't walk around armed, so logically I was just a defenceless girl. However I don't think that way; you screw with me, I find a (non-violent) way to stop you. As you've learned dealing with dogs, much is about attitude, and mentally taking control and not showing fear.

So I "became a dog," dropped on all fours, looked that dog straight in the eye as he ran toward me and growled menacingly. The poor dog didn't know what to think, pulled up and ran behind the owner's legs, whimpering.

The same worked for another rottweiler a massage patient brought to my house with her. The great lunk was too shy to come in, so I dropped to all fours in the doorway and talked to him. After that we were firm friends and he would never leave until he'd had his massage too.




Dogs have been companions to humans for a long time. There are very few which won't show respect to a mature human who can look them in the eye and command them. They have evolved with us as friends, bed-warmers and hunting companions.

Evidence of a "Real" Domestication Partnership

A burial site in Germany called Bonn-Oberkassel has joint human and dog interments dated to 14,000 years ago. The earliest domesticated dog found in China is at the early Neolithic (7000-5800 BC) Jiahu site in Henan Province. European Mesolithic sites like Skateholm (5250-3700 BC) in Sweden have dog burials, proving the value of the furry beasts to hunter-gatherer settlements. Danger Cave in Utah is the earliest case of dog burial in the Americas, at about 11,000 years ago.

Dogs can be very intelligent and caring. They are often a valued member of a family. If we gave these animals what they deserve, the pointless murder of a a family's dog would be treated the same as the murder of a human.

That sheriff did appear to be showing off to his passenger and also appeared to be on a personal power trip the way he casually shot the dog.
The dog was not charging directly at him to cause harm..
Drove a delivery truck for 6 months and had countless dogs run towards me while doing that job, and I was never bitten or scratched by a single animal..
That audio the video presenter group has on beginning and ending gave me a good laugh though..

This cop is the biggest P#ssy I have ever seen. He'd rather dish out death from his sidearm to an obviously unthreatening dog than take the chances of a bite or two. I had a douche bag in Iraq fresh from Airborne and Ranger school shoot a dog for no reason. That piece of sh# got a gun-butt to the tip of his jaw, shattered a couple teeth in the process. He tried to hide behing the Army and the other soldiers and marines who had shot animals while on their tour of duty, but he was held accountable for his actions all the same. His actions were not worthy of a court-marshall, but the NCO's, including myself, took it upon ourselves to regulate the little terd in our own way. Too bad pigs don't like to regulate other pigs.

If your leo's don't want to be held accountable for the actions of other leo's then you need to regulate in house. You know damn well what I'm talking about...your continuing protection of "the brotherhood" is perfect grounds for the rest of us to hate on you. Cops love to bitch about the stress and danger involved in their line of work....no one cares, you took the damn job, don't expect special consideration or treatment.

I've shot more honorable men in combat than pigs like this one, and I'm glad that one pig on here keeps a .45 and his shotty close, cause if a cop comes on my property unwarranted and shoots my dog he better expect a highly trained veteran to come out ready to start some sh#.

The the judicial, legislative and executive branches of this country have become a joke, and those that uphold their laws have become one by association. I have nothing but respect for the few leo's I know that are solely interested in protecting the general public, but a vast majority of officers and deputies I have come across are unintelligent, lazy and egotistical.

One day you won't be able to hide behind the department and the government, one day every man and woman will be held accountable for their actions.

Originally posted by Beaux
As a former Animal Warden, I faced situations like this more than once and never had to resort to a gun, although I was armed. Unless a dog is trained to attack a human, like a K-9, chances are that they will turn as soon as one shows that they are not intimidated.

One time I had a huge dog charge me from a porch about 30 yards away. I set up a pepper spray cloud in front of me and when he hit it, he did a 90 degree turn and decided I was not worth it. Another time, I was pinned to a wall with 2 dogs between me and my vehicle, no pepper spray or gun on me. Once I pulled my belt out, they both took off.

This cop is a coward and has no idea how to handle a dog. Nor, I suspect, a human.

God bless you mate!!
This is the big diference in this subject...ones are quite instructed and know how to deal with dogs like you, others are just... ...ignorant apes like this officer! IMHO



[edit on 19/5/10 by Umbra Sideralis]

ANYONE comes on my property and shoots my dog they are in very high danger of catching a bullet in the head..Yea I know you should shoot for the torso but I'm a very good shot and I have more than 1 round.

reply to post by Shark VA84


Star for you Shark!

I've said before that I would probably be dead by friendly fire because I was raised in a tradition of fairness and honor, being 3rd generation marine, and I would not tolerate abuses by warriors or officers in combat.
I am proud of you and your peers for adhereing to the warriors code!

Semper Fidelis