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Originally posted by Azp420
Treating cancer and chemo/radiation therapy is BIG business. Curing cancer or having people cure their own cancer is not. Their is a mass of scientific studies that show huge potentials and cancer curing in animals but because they use natural products which can't be patented, even if the pharmas wanted a cure (they don't), there is no funding to take it much further.
Not to mention the fact that cannabis (Rick Simpson's hemp oil really does work) remains illegal and is being kept illegal with funding not only coming from tobacco and alcohol companies but pharma companies too. Rick Simpson has taken masses of evidence and cases to the Canadian cancer foundation and they don't want to know him. No body in the industry is interested in a cure because it would cost a lot of jobs and a lot of money and sadly it is money that makes the world go round.
The typical person believes whatever the MSM tells him to believe, therefore this is the only source of information that really needs to be controlled. Hundreds of small websites are barely a drop in the ocean compared with the power of the MSM. It is human nature to ridicule those with beliefs that vastly differ from the beliefs of the majority. If you walk up to the average person and inform them that an alternative cure for cancer exists and has been known about for some time they will think you are mad.
Their mind will not even allow them to seriously consider the possibility of what you said being true because the mind is designed to reinforce its existing beliefs and filter/disregard/discredit any (even credible) information that contradicts those beliefs. It is far easier to control the masses than most people think. TV just does everyone's thinking for them.
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by warequalsmurder
If the information is out there in books, Youtube, and the rest of the internet, and if the cures are "cheap and effective", why do you not have stellar recovery rates from cancer, TB, lupus, and any other disease they claim to cure? Why is India, one of the founders of many alternative therapies, demanding more Western-trained physicians?
[edit on 5/18/2010 by VneZonyDostupa]
Originally posted by warequalsmurder
I do have stellar recovery rates honey.
Now go watch Run From The Cure and calm down some. I'm not your enemy. I'm a human being who loves you. I don't want to see your industry destroyed and your profession lost. I also don't want that lovely hair of yours to fall out due to chemotherapy. I want it to shine with your lovely smile.
I want people to have Western Medicine and the right to use Alternative Medicine with full access to the facts.
I want a win, win situation for us all and that includes you too.
[edit on 18-5-2010 by warequalsmurder]
Originally posted by warequalsmurder
Originally posted by DJM8507
I have an open mind. I am only asking where are the documented forms of proof in order to, in a court of law or under the scrutiny of a scientist, determine if in fact these natural remedies do indeed cure cancer. All I am finding is testimonies and claims without any real documentation.
You do love your mother right?
Please provide us with the documented forms of proof in order to, in a court of law or under the scrutiny of a scientist, determine if in fact these natural feelings do indeed prove your love. All we have to go on at this point is your word that you do indeed love your mother without any real documentation.
Now, let us pretend that I'm a Jew living in Nazi Germany back in the late 30s. What you are doing is tantamount to asking me to go to the Gestapo headquarters and attempt to prove my Jewish heritage by requesting that the Gestapo hand over those genealogical documents.
You know as well as the rest of us does that the Medical Profession will in no way offer the documents that you smugly request. They will chock off these cures to the placebo effect at best or just give you the silent treatment at worst. And you will not get one to ruin his career by going on record to say: " Yes my patient did indeed cure him/herself by using alternative remedy X."
Also and most damning of all is that the people who gave those testimonies had nothing to gain by giving them. Richard Simpson had nothing to gain either as he does not sell Hemp Oil cures. He only instructs you how to do it yourself! With a absence of monetary gain here there is no motive to lie.
So you are indeed being coy here.
You may feel free to put your trust in Big Pharma and the entrenched Medical Establishment. It is your right to follow them. But I'm going to put my trust in humans (whom are not making a penny off of their testimonies) who have beat cancer instead.
[edit on 18-5-2010 by warequalsmurder]
Originally posted by Shadowfoot
reply to post by discl0sur3
Capsaicin is found in all hot peppers, however in a greater degree in Habenero and cayenne (capsicum anuum). Your information is valid according to a number of empirically derived sources. i would like to offer a few more plants for your friends recovery:
Tumeric (curcuma longa) is known to make the blood less stcky hence less proclivity to clotting ie strokes. A number of studies have shown Tumeric to be highly effective in the treatment of lung an rectal cancers.
Theres a new study I need to dig up performed in India Feb 2010 I believe showing Momordica Chantaria (bitter melon) killed breast and lung cancer cells highly effectively.
A study in Ohio State Uni in 2004-2005 showed that a diet high in elagic acid ( blackberries,black Raspberries, strawberry leaf etc..)completely cured rats of esophogial and colo-rectal cancers.
My father and sister, grandmother and uncle all have cancer in various stages of remission at this moment. I take no credit, but as an herbalist for 18 years working in research...you are on the right track torwards helping your friend. Modern treatments are devastating in many ways. What ever choice your friend has to make I wish him the best.
Please feel free to U2U me for more info...Im sliding this in during a break at work.
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by SmokeandShadow
So the only evidence of this event ever occuring is a biased documentary? The same documentary that claims Nazis planned to "mass-fluoridate" water sources to defeat their enemies (because, you know...the Nazis were going to wait around 75-100 years until their enemies just died of old age)? The same documentary that uses Kirlian photography, a well-known hoax tool, to show the "energy" in food?
THAT'S your source? Really?
Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
To the other poster that said capsaicin was only found to shrink prostate cancer you are WRONG! Sorry about your daughter but you obviously haven't done all the research you've claimed or you would have known that.
Another study carried out at the University of Nottingham suggests capsaicin is able to trigger apoptosis in human lung cancer cells as well
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
Yes, that's what you needed to top off your argument, sexism and objectification. Are all women "honey" to you, or just the ones you want to condescend to? And gosh, what would I ever do without my "lovely hair". How will I EVER get a man and complete myself?
Gross.
VneZonyDostupa
Not to mention, I wasn't questioning YOUR success rates, but the rates as a whole. Our deaths due to both chronic and acute disease are steadily declining, and it is not due to alternative therapies.
VneZonyDostupa
I support full access to both, and as I've stated in another thread, I've even encouraged patients to seek alternative therapies if it makes them feel better and more in control of their health care. I don't, however, tell them that the therapy will cure them, as that would be unethical due to lack of data.
Yes, that's what you needed to top off your argument, sexism and objectification. Are all women "honey" to you, or just the ones you want to condescend to? And gosh, what would I ever do without my "lovely hair". How will I EVER get a man and complete myself?
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
So, let me see if I understand. It's NOT speculation to say that people aren't using alternative therapies because of "suppression" or "MSM brainwashing", but it IS speculating to say the majority of patients are using Western medicine? What's it like living with cognitive dissonance?
VneZonyDostupa
Also, which video are you referring to, the "Beautiful Truth" video? I'm watching it tomorrow night while I have overnight call, I've already said this. I'll watch it, and then post a thread, complete with time-point rebuttals. You're more than welcome to chime in on that thread, too.
Originally posted by warequalsmurder
I wouldn't know, especially since I'm not claiming that MSM is brainwashing people. So that kinda drops your cognitive dissonance back into the bucket of self induced angry outbursts.
VneZonyDostupa
I'll say it for you again..."Run From The Cure"
Also, you speak as if people will be hanging on your every word or something.. Ha, ha,. By God I was right about your arrogance.
But if you are indeed calling me to chime in then I will. Especially once you start spouting off more obscure speculations designed to belittle something that obviously threatens you, i.e. Alternative Medicine..
Originally posted by philipdru
A sense of humour might help. Of course one steeped in the politics of envy is always likely to prefer self-serving lies about relations between men and women, so one cannot be too hopeful.