The God and Goddess, Father and Mother, and the Conspiracy to keep us from Knowing

reply to post by Wise Man

The Bible already says Sun worship is heathenish garbage. Thats why Egypt, Sodom, Babylon, Assyria and Rome got shut down by God and all those places are worshiped by the top rich white elite.

"Mother nature" goes back to woman worship and Miriam Queen of Heaven and all the versions of her which God hates.

"The Bible says......" , "God Hates" ,"Mother nature= Woman Worship"

Listen to yourself. Maybe go sit somewhere and think for yourself.

PS.
...You need a new user name - the current is not fitting at all.
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I see Woody beat me to it...

[edit on 21/04/10 by jinx880101]

Originally posted by autowrench

This is from the Biblical God, EL, a warmonger who made slaves of the people of Earth. the God (and Goddess) that lives within me, does not do evil, does not kill. Please research your Bible and read some other religious texts instead of just blindly believing what the book pushed at you says. You do not know the authors of it, nor how many times it has been altered.

HAHAH, this is great stuff, an all loving God and Goddess living with in you.
God chose you to live inside, the amount of times I heard that crap, your obviously not sane.

I have read other religious texts, there toilet paper.
Anyone worth a damn knows the Bible is the one and only. It's prophecy is perfect.

But feel free to make up your own God as you go along, thats what most Christians and Agnostics do, people were doing the same thing 2000 years ago, nothing new.

btw you have no clue about anything in the Bible, you don`t know how the cannons were put together, who wrote them and you never even read the book. Your the one that needs to research.

Have you read your own OP? it`s laughable, you made up a bunch of imaginary things that sound good to you and made your own God out of it.

You think the Sun is God? wow I`m almost tearing with laughter.

OK, if God (the male) is a reality, then there must be a Goddess, again, "as above, so below." This is in the Bible, and is a favored saying in Wicca also. So who is this Goddess?

Are you seriously talking about goddess Diana?

Act 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

either you made it up, or your referring to Diana.

God is a man, so he must have a wife Goddess?
Do you want to add the Tooth Fairy and Santa in with this bedtime story?

Mother Earth was once a sacred garden. this is the form our Mother Earth wanted to take. She wanted to be filled with lush gardens, waterfalls, soft warm sunlight, misty fog and cool fragrant breezes. She wanted to be soft, and gentle and romantic.

Let me guess, shes inside of you now channeling her thoughts from you to ATS? (whats funny is a few months ago, some Obamatron clown trying to convince me that God talks to him in his head also and says to love everyone with peace, when I told him he`s full of it, his God some how managed to hate me.)

Whats even more sad is people actually come here, read your post and agree and believe this made up theory you just thought about a couple days ago.

The rest of what you said is not in the scripture at all, but making stuff is fun I guess.

Thanks for the laugh. This is the worst.

reply to post by Wise Man


Men are humans and G-d isn't human period. G-d is G-d.

The Hebrew 'Iysh doesn't always refer to a man. It can also be used to refer to a champion, a soldier and a warrior among other things.

For example in my English translation of the Tanakh the verse is

"The L-rd, the Warrior- The L-rd is His name!"

You might want to check out Numbers 23:19

"G-d is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

Note the phrase "Son of Man" means human. G-d clearly says in the Torah that G-d is not human.

Here's another verse:

Hosea 11:9

I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am G-d and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath.

[edit on 18/5/10 by MikeboydUS]

reply to post by MikeboydUS



Your English translation is not proper unless its the KJV.
KVJ is the only one that counts because the others, are re-edited KJV's and the original 1611 KJV matches almost exactly with the Dead Sea scrolls.

"G-d is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man,"

your breakdown is incorrect, he is saying he is not a man that lies.

Also your breakdown of "Sons of Man" is incorrect.

There are 3 categorizes of man the lord labels,
"Sons of God" = Israel / Israelites
"Sons of Man" = the other nations
"Sons of the Wicked" = Esau - Edom who are Satan's children counter part.

Also the Lord constantly refers to Israel, his people, as his woman and wife.

So yes the Lord is a masculine man, I never said he was a mortal human.

[edit on 18-5-2010 by Wise Man]

reply to post by Wise Man


The KJV? You must be kidding.

Son of Man has been known for thousands of years to refer to humanity. The phrase is even used in other Mesopotamian writings and goes all the way back to Sumeria.

The rendering for the Hebrew "ben adam," applied to mankind in general, as opposed to and distinct from non-human relationship; expressing also the larger, unlimited implications of humanity as differentiated from limited (e.g., national) forms and aspects of human life. Thus, contrasted with the "sons of G-d" ("bene Elohim") are the "daughters of man" ("benot ha-adam"), women taken by the former, non-human or super-human, beings as wives (Gen. vi. 2 et seq.). As expressing difference from G-d, the term occurs in the blessing of Balaam: "G-d is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent" (Num. xxiii. 19).

jewishencyclopedia.com...

Bnai Elohim also refer to "angels". You know from Genesis, Job and elsewhere. Its used in a number of different ways.

Term applied to an angel or demigod, one of the mythological beings whose exploits are described in Gen. vi. 2-4, and whose ill conduct was among the causes of the Flood; to a judge or ruler (Ps. lxxxii. 6, "children of the Most High"; in many passages "gods" and "judges" seem to be equations; comp. Ex. xxi. 6 [R. V., margin] and xxii. 8, 9); and to the real or ideal king over Israel (II Sam. vii. 14, with reference to David and his dynasty; comp. Ps. lxxxix. 27, 28). "Sons of G-d" and "children of G-d" are applied also to Israel as a people (comp. Ex. iv. 22 and Hos. xi. 1) and to all members of the human race.

jewishencyclopedia.com...

I'm sorry, I'm going to go with the Hebrew and the Judaic tradition that far outweighs that Anglican mess that James I of England authorized. If I had to pick a an English Bible, I would go with a Geneva Bible any day of the week over the KJV.



[edit on 18/5/10 by MikeboydUS]

Originally posted by MikeboydUS

I'm sorry, I'm going to go with the Hebrew and the Judaic tradition that far outweighs that Anglican mess that James I of England authorized. If I had to pick a an English Bible, I would go with a Geneva Bible any day of the week over the KJV.

Cudos to that. It never ceases to amaze me that some people don't realize that "the Bible" (KJV) most revere as scripture is, although familiar, a rewritten, reworded, reinterpreted version of much older tomes.

Any person who truly wants to get to the meat of the information provided, should not only read the book in hand, but also read the earlier versions, including the original books of Moses, the Torah etc. The original Hebrew and Greek reads quite differently than what the English speaking community is used to. How do I know, because I have the books and am doing this myself.

reply to post by Wise Man


toilet paper? Oh man, your nickname is so accurate... /sarcasm

Every and each religious text hides messages within that can be valid or not for you, but there's people who believes in them and that solely fact claims for respect. Because you don't believe in the same deities, facts, etc. doesn't makes them less important, and remember, the world doesn't spin around you.
If you don't believe on them you don't need to desacreditate them. Simply enough. Or should I make a diagram?

If I was a moderator I'll rest you some ATS points JUST for that comment. We're here to combat ignorance, not to spread it. And this way for desacreditate something you don't believe is a big, enourmous sign of ignorance. Trying to debunk with FACTS and in a respetuous way, in other hand, it's very helpful for the people who is still searching for their own truth.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Did I not just say Son of Man was the other nations?

Geneva Bible is not better than KJV but the difference is hardly noticeable,
The Geneva Bible says :Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. Exactly what the KJV says.

The "The LORD is a warrior;
the LORD is his name. " verse you were refering to in your prevoius post was is form the the NIV Bible, almost THE worst Bible to possibly use.

The NIV Bible copyright is owned by Rupert Murdoch, the porn king...who is also owner of the "Satanic Bible".
So if you prefer to use a Bible edited by Illuminati porn king who happens to own the rights to the Satanic Bible also, then go ahead.


Any Biblical scholar, Historian ect knows the KJV is the one and only for English.
Either way, you didn't prove God is a woman, the scripture, no matter that Bible you use refers to God has a man, unless you can pull out some scriptures of Christ calling the Lord "mother", the argument is weak.

Also the "Sons of man" reference is wrong, Sons of Man is not used to describe Israel, it is only used for the other nations, not Israel, which that site reference says itself and then contradicts itself.

Also Sons of God is never used to reference "all humans" in the scripture.

Don't tell me you haven't figured out the Daughters of man thing yet?

Before the flood the "Sons of God" are the Nephilim which are not an some alien race or angels nor super humans.... they are Gods chosen bloodline like the Israelites..only before the flood.

After the flood the "Sons of God" or Gods chosen nation is Israel.

Thats easy, but most people haven't read the whole Bible.

Originally posted by autowrench
Take this into account:
Say that since this cycle began, everyone was taught to worship and revere the Earth as a deity. Do you think for a second we would have ruined Her as she is right now? Or would she still be pretty and clean? It is no wonder ET doesn't come down here, they would probably catch some disease and die.

You have hit it on the head. Man kind has mistreated our Earth for ages. Once we were the stewards of the land, and everything upon it. We gave back through our efforts. The native peoples learned how to live with nature. They didn't waste, they didn't destroy. They took and used only what was necessary. They appreciated the beauty and the bounty available to them. When the changes came, when people turned from the Earth and began believing they were the most important element of all, they began selfishly using, destroying what they didn't want, polluting without regard for the results. In essence, believing that everything but themselves were disposable or consumable.

In following this path, people have created their own doom. Although every person doesn't have the intention of damaging our earth, our present cultures lead us into it even before we learn to care.

I don't believe it would be this way if we had all been taught to truly respect our home, Earth.

Originally posted by BearTruth

Cudos to that. It never ceases to amaze me that some people don't realize that "the Bible" (KJV) most revere as scripture is, although familiar, a rewritten, reworded, reinterpreted version of much older tomes.

Any person who truly wants to get to the meat of the information provided, should not only read the book in hand, but also read the earlier versions, including the original books of Moses, the Torah etc. The original Hebrew and Greek reads quite differently than what the English speaking community is used to. How do I know, because I have the books and am doing this myself.

I have cross referenced Hebrew and Greek with Etymology when I studied the Bible and still do.
blueletterbible.com does it for you online... I also saw the Dead Sea scrolls when they came to Toronto in January, KJV got it right.

Jump to conclusions much?
Don't bother trying to argue with me, I know the scripture better than anyone on this little site.

reply to post by Caggy


Go cry to someone that wants to hear it.
Not interested in anything you have to type at all.
You wasted your time.

reply to post by Wise Man


Try to be more modest, guy. I'm not insulting you, so you shouldn't insult me. I'm just showing you that this is NOT the way of talking about other people's beliefs, nothing else. You should apologise. Not everybody on this forum is christian or catholic, not everybody here reads the bible and takes it like the only and real truth and that doesn't make us worst than you are, nor better too.

People like you really irritates me.

Originally posted by Caggy
reply to post by Wise Man

 

Try to be more modest, guy. I'm not insulting you, so you shouldn't insult me. I'm just showing you that this is NOT the way of talking about other people's beliefs, nothing else. You should apologise. Not everybody on this forum is christian or catholic, not everybody here reads the bible and takes it like the only and real truth and that doesn't make us worst than you are, nor better too.

People like you really irritates me.

Your first sentence was rather insulting.
I'm insulted you assume I haven't checked out other religious texts.
The Qur'an is a garbage rip off of the Bible same with Judaism's Babylonian Talmud, put together by Khazars, fake Jews.

The first 3 chapters of the Qur'an tell you the Israelites are the chosen, why would I trust a 3rd party text written by Ishmaelites who are not Hebrew Israelites? I rather hear it straight from the source.

Also none of the other texts predicts with prophecy perfectly like the Bible.
People don't understand the prophecy and the scriptures go wondering to false religions and false Gods. A lot of people get headaches reading the Bible because they don't understand.

Yes I take the Bible as real truth, and I do look down upon people who don't realize it. Thats just me. I don't have to agree with other people who know less than me. Am I a bad person now?

The OP wasn't even referring to any "One" religious text, he was all over the place with mostly stuff he seems to have made up on the spot and stuff he saw on T.V.

"God and his wife Godess"?
Did they mate and make baby God? get real.

reply to post by Wise Man


Man, talk about extremist!

In any case, I would like to know what you think of the fact that the Golden Mean point of the Earth is at Mecca....

Let me make this clear- I am agnostic- and I don't believe in God/ Religion the same way you do. That way, I can look at information with an unbiased point of view.

Watch this- tell me what you think....

Originally posted by Wise Man
Don't bother trying to argue with me, I know the scripture better than anyone on this little site.

WM, your statement reveals a distasteful arrogance that does not accurately reflect a Spirit filled life.

Originally posted by Wise Man
Don't bother trying to argue with me, I know the scripture better than anyone on this little site.

Do you have any theories on whether the "woman in heaven" in Revelation ch12 represents the Virgin Mary?
I'm posting a thread on that lady on Sunday, which offers a different take on this theme.

reply to post by Wise Man


My translation of the verse didn't come from an NIV Bible. It came from the Jewish Publication Society Tanakh.

I'm not trying to prove G-d is a woman. I'm saying G-d isn't a man or a woman. G-d isn't human. G-d transcends man or woman, G-d created man and woman.

The interpretation of the Bnai Elohim from Genesis as the "line of Seth" came about close to the Dark Ages in the Roman Church.

Up until that point it had always been known as angels. Anyone familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls would know this.

reply to post by Wise Man


Khazars, fake Jews? What?

Those words clearly show you have no idea what in the world you are talking about and intelligent debate is essentially futile.

Have a great hate filled day! Shalom.

[edit on 19/5/10 by MikeboydUS]

reply to post by Wise Man


Wise man,

You can assume the OP is making stuff up on the spot...but I see someone who is truly seeking, unlike the mass followers of books.

You can think God left you a book with the answers laid out for you....and I can also tell you this is not so. We could go in circles for pages on end.

I do hope you know though....no man is 'wise'...for once you think you are wise....that is the point you show....you know nothing.

See this is the problem with the books....man thinks they have been given spiritual knowledge....and they then think they are 'wise' and know more then others when it comes to spiritual things.

But what have you experienced? Do you not know, through experience, that the Holy Spirit lives within you? Within every single person? Have you not discovered this?? For it is the highest experience of any human experience...the discovery of this. Its personal, its not something that will happen with others around you....its a one on one experience, with you and your maker.

The books are full of prideful and greedy humans. Look at the fruit you choose to FOLLOW. The Spirit within you is not what y9ou are using to discern the fruit that you have accepted, an this is the danger of the books...creating a very wide road for followers and keeping them fro the true seeking, understanding, and experiences that our human bodies were made for.

What ever reason someone feels there is a female and male side to the Spirit within them....just shows they have experienced these natures within them.

It doesnt necessarily mean they are separate....as being two different Gods. Some of the earliest findings of your Yahweh God have been found with a female name beside it. It was a way for man to make understanding...to explain things in ways in which they knew or know. We are bound by our limited knowledge and language. Through time and history, some men truly did seek, and through thte mess of the books an history, we can find glimpses of men that did find spiritual understandings. The Bible has more nature of mankind then a God. And God allows this for good reason, for it will mark many that chose to not seek Thee truly.

The fact that you laugh the way you do at others, shows your shallow being.

I disagree with many people on faith and belief...but I never laugh at them...for the Spirit within me would not approve.

So many like to say....KNOW YOUR FRUITS....but the Bible is full of bad fruit. I just dont get how they can say this and then support the Bible that is full human nature.



[edit on 19-5-2010 by LeoVirgo]

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
See this is the problem with the books....man thinks they have been given spiritual knowledge....and they then think they are 'wise' and know more then others when it comes to spiritual things.

But what have you experienced? Do you not know, through experience, that the Holy Spirit lives within you? Within every single person? Have you not discovered this?? For it is the highest experience of any human experience...the discovery of this. Its personal, its not something that will happen with others around you....its a one on one experience, with you and your maker...

I disagree with many people on faith and belief...but I never laugh at them...for the Spirit within me would not approve.

That is a problem that the majority of us have. We do not realize that the quest each of us is born into is very much a personal one. The fact is that the Holy Spirit connects to us individually. Our arrogance often blinds us to the many truths others have experienced because they have not been our own.

I know some will say "straight is the road and narrow is the way". Yet is it not true that every soul born journeys through this life. We must learn and choose our way. That is the whole purpose. It is not up to any one of us to ridicule, chastise or force another to our point of view, regardless of our beliefs. Would any one of us knowingly accept that without a fight?

I have traveled my road learning, reading, questioning and listening to others, but I have come to my own conclusions, and subsequently made my own choices. I, too, do not always agree with some with other points of view, but I will willingly share, compare, etc., with others who are willing to show me the respect due any sincere person who is searching.

Good points.