7-Year-Old Girl Shot and Killed During Police Search of Detroit Home

reply to post by johnny2127


way to sidestep.

so basically these "statistics" are based off your own logic. thats what i thought. and seeing as how you weren't even there id say thats isnt worth a lick.

again. ignoring the fact that the whole situation was due to human error on the police's part. if your going to point the blame on anybody put it on either:

a) the officer who pulled the trigger
b) whoever gathered the bad intel.
c) whoever gave the bad intel.
d) all of the above

certainly not the fault of anybody who lived in that apartment.

we grant police authority to hunt down badguys and use taxpayer resources however they see fit, we even let them pick and choose who they feel like arresting and who's too much paperwork.

Given that, they are expected not to screw up, and if they do it needs to be addressed not just shrugged off as "oh it happens"

procedure needs to be modified to make sure no innocent person is capable of ever getting hurt. Even if it means jeopardizing the officers safety. God forbid an officer get hurt....you know last time i checked these people voluntarily chose to join the police force, they applied, nobody asked them to fill the position. If your scared of danger, be an accountant.

whenever we see a video of a person getting their pets brains blown out, the concluding attitude to every police officer and police sympathizer is "well if they hadn't been committing illegal activities it would have never happened."

well whats the excuse now? we have to do a background check on every person living within a 4 mile radius of us? or else its our fault when the morons bust down the wrong door?these people had no idea they lived next to a murderer. thats the police's job.

give me a break. there is no excuse.

they failed to do their job, everyone involved should be fired like anybody else who fails to do their job in the real world.

and the one who pulled the trigger should be facing 20 to life.

and they should stop taking the advice of drug dealers and thugs on who to raid. they seem to be frequently wrong, funny how scare-tactics always seem to backfire.

Originally posted by romanmel
I understand that this was most probably just an unfortunate accident. Poor little girl born into a family of criminals didn't have a chance...how sad.

Oh, well done, way to go.

- Slandering an innocent family after their little girl has been attacked and shot dead.

Show me one piece of justification for calling this a family of criminals!

They're black? They live in Detroit? They had their home raided?
Or is the fact that the police shot their little girl proof they are criminals?


Nobody in that home was arrested or even accused of any wrongdoing, but I guess that doesn't matter to you. Blaming the victim is so easy.

Aiyana Jones actually was growing out of her Disney Princess phase, beginning to prefer the likes of Hannah Montana, said her father. He had programmed a cell phone to play her new favorite song, Justin Bieber's "Baby." Her father said Aiyana loved to sing.

"She was just figuring out what she liked, what she wanted to do with her life," Charles Jones said. "I want this story to be heard. This was a wrongful death."

From The Detroit News: detnews.com...

Originally posted by lilstu21

Edit: also they could've gotten the wrong apartment!

[edit on 17-5-2010 by lilstu21]

The did get the wrong apartment.

The suspect was in a different apartment, upstairs, as the police already knew he may be.

The police had warrants for both.

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by Izarith

 

You choose to blame the police, not the criminals. You choose to say they should let this murderer go instead of going into the home to arrest him or her. The child being in that home is not the fault of the police. Its the fault of the parent or parents letting a murderer in their home with a young child there, and then one of them struggling with police when they enter. Don't blame the police when logically its the fault of the parent(s) and the criminals.

Read the thread.

The suspect was not in this apartment, ever.

He was arrested in another apartment, upstairs.

There were no parents struggling.

There was a grandmother in the front room with the little girl who the police burned, then shot.

The police now admit the grandmother and the policeman: "may have simply collided."

The victim's family said police told them the gun discharged because the girl's grandmother, Mertilla Jones, 46, grappled for the officer's weapon. Later Sunday, police spokesman John Roach said the officer and grandmother may have simply collided.

Mertilla Jones was released from custody Sunday afternoon, and it remained unclear if she will face charges. Police held her for more than 12 hours, during which time she also spent several hours hospitalized with what police said were medical issues.

At a press conference in front of the home Sunday evening, Mertilla Jones said there was no struggle: "I hit the floor when I heard them hit the window."

From The Detroit News: detnews.com...

No struggling parents, no criminal in the home ...
who are you going to blame now n your effort to absolve the police?

Looks like more police murder, surely its classed as a 2nd degree murder, or in uk manslaughter, not real murder.

May she rest in peace. Bless her family and friends.

www.detroitmi.gov...

'To Protect and Serve'

serve verb ( HELP ACHIEVE )
[I or T] to help achieve something or to be useful as something

protect verb
• [I or T] to keep someone or something safefrom injury, damage or loss

There is NO EXCUSES.

Originally posted by starviego
This is the sad result of the hyper-militarization of our police forces. When you bomb people, kick down their doors and enter with loaded weapons you can expect tragedy to happen.

Blaming the police. What I see was they were serving a high risk warrant. The childs mother was harboring a murderer. Armed and dangerous. They pop the door toss a flashbang and enter. Upon attempting to clear the front room the woman harboring the murder suspect made contact with an officer, violent or nonviolent(we don't know), but you have to assume she's hostile since there is a suspected murderer in the home. I'm guessing the SRT went in with MP5's on single with the weapon hot, and the woman made significant contact, possibly charging into the officer. Finger on the trigger and off balance from the woman running into him a single shot is fired. Little girl hit in neck.

If it was an MP5 it wasn't shouldered and aimed or the kid wouldn't have gotten shot. If it was a 9mm the weapon still wasn't aimed at the lady center mass. Again the round wouldn't hit the child. So the officer would appear to have been knocked severely off balance send the weapon into a completely different direction. And when it was discharged it caught the little girl.

But to even attempt to blame the SRT is ridiculous. There isn't enough information and if you make a logical attempt to extrapolate what happened the operator clearly wouldn't be at fault.

As far as I'm concerned the police were doing their job. The lady harboring the suspected murderer and physically assaulting the officers is totally at fault.

Originally posted by DigitalRX

Originally posted by SpectreDC
Find me a 46 year old woman who could get into a physical confrontation with a police officer after being hit with a flash bang and I'll send you my arms and legs.

Unless she was on meth or pcp, no one that age is getting up after being hit by a flashbang. You can barely stand, you can't see, you can't hear, and most of all the explosion DOES hurt. It doesn't kill, but it hurts.

I call shenanigans.

Flashbang's aren't guaranteed to disable someone. If you're not in their immediate area, the effect is greatly diminished. The grandmother could have been in the kitchen, the bathroom, or the bedroom for all we know.

I like how you criticize me for "not reading the facts of the case" when the bloody article says "The lead officer encountered a 46-year-old woman immediately inside the front room of the house". IMMEDIATELY. FRONT ROOM. Learn to read, hypocrite.

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni

 

You're obviously never experienced the affects of a flash bang. Even when me and a friend of mine made our own little cheap ass flash bang, the effects were noticeable. A police issue flash bang? They can potentially kill someone on the odd occasion. They blind you, they deafen you, they immobilize you and disorient you. And yes, they hurt quite a bit as well. A 46 year old women that is in the front room of the house, where the flashbang would have been thrown in due to police procedures, would have been knocked on her ass. It's not like they throw the flash bang and come back a hour later. They throw that sucker in there and the moment that thing goes POP, they kick down the door. There is no way a physical confrontation occurred considering the facts of the case reported.

[edit on 17-5-2010 by SpectreDC]

Such a tragedy for everyone involved. I can imagine how the police officer feels. I am sure he never meant to shoot a sleeping child... # happens all too often. Living with such a mistake...It's so sad. Poor young girl. And her family, dear goodness! Her father having to lay face first in his childs blood. I pray good vibes for him and his family during such a horrible accident. Geez....

Why don't all of you cop haters just start a thread called 'We hate the police'. The you can go in there and spew your hate and venom. Obviously you have no desire to listen to logic and simply want to jump to conclusions so you can justify your hatred. Of course you will be the first to call and ask for help and ask them to defend your lives with theirs if you need it. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[edit on 17-5-2010 by johnny2127]

There is never, EVER, such thing as an "accidental shooting", or "accidental discharge". There is only negligence. A negligent discharge of a firearm is the only way a firearm can be "accidentally" fired.

A firearm is specifically designed to be fired with extreme control and absolute direct prejudice at a target. There exists no other purpose for which a firearm should "go off". It's impossible for a weapon to discharge accidentally, unless such negligence from the operator exists to cause it do so. Either through improper use, poor training, or lack of discipline.

I saw it stated that, "It could have gone off by having the trigger pulled by his tactical vest." Utter BS, if that is ever called an accident. If the weapon went off because the operator dragged the trigger mechanism across his vest, then he is a negligent retard who shouldn't operate a deep fryer at McDonalds, let alone point a device designed to kill and maim at another human being. Absolutely no exceptions.

I repeat what I say, and that a firearm is designed specifically to be used with complete control, and that it is impossible to "fire accidentally" or to "kill accidentally". It is not a motor vehicle. There are no brakes to go awry, and there are no gas or brake pedals to confuse between. There is only a trigger that you must pull with the firearm aimed at the target. It requires your DIRECT action to do this. There are no excuses, the only way you accidentally kill someone is if you have a physical impairment that causes you to twitch at the wrong time, in which you can't operate a firearm anyway, especially for a police force.

If you use your operating hand to open a door, you're a negligent retard. If you use your weapon for anything other than firing at a target, such as using the muzzle as a blunt instrument, or as any sort of tool, then you are a negligent retard. If it's used for anything Other Than firing at a target, unless it is specifically designed to do otherwise, such as a tactical weapon with a breaching muzzle, then you are a negligent retard for using it, and should suffer all consequences of your failed responsibility.

No, exceptions, ever. The only story that could allow this man to remain on the force is that the woman came from nowhere, seized the weapon and pulled the trigger herself. In which case, the entire operation needs to be reviewed, and questions need to be asked on why they chose to assault the home with an incendiary device, blinding and deafening everyone inside and then proceeding to "identify themselves" afterwards. How this is supposed to not ensue into tragedy and chaos with innocent civilians inside, is beyond my comprehension.

I have much more to say about this, and my rant is probably virtually incoherent, but my point should be obvious, as I repeated the key points several times.

If you're a cop, or military, then you know all I say about firearm negligence is true. If your organization does not tell you this, then they are not training you properly, which suggests on it's own that you need to quit your position and seek a more professional venue where professionalism is considered honorable and mandatory, and negligence is considered worse than dishonor.

[edit on 17-5-2010 by SyphonX]

This on the face of it looks like negligent homicide by the police to me. Others seem to agree. Even the Tickerguy devoted a rare non-economic market ticker to it.

From Market Ticker

In this case instead of performing police work (that is, staking out the property and arresting the suspect when he attempted to leave - as he eventually almost certainly would - without incident) the cops decided to use their "flashy SWAT tools" and storm the house, despite apparent obvious and clear knowledge, just as at Waco, that there were known-innocent persons inside.

No, the more serious problem comes if and when order degenerates generally in society. Logical and reasonable police forces and officers, of which there are many, will find themselves allied with the citizens of the area against the gang-bangers and common thugs who would otherwise seek to play "Zombieland" in our nation's cities and towns. But in places where the gendarme has chosen to play "Big Balls" instead of acting with logic and reason they will find that the citizens will defend only themselves and not the institutions and officers of law and order.

If you've read any of my posts on similar situations, you'll see that I'm pretty open minded an level headed when it comes to judging issues involving police misconduct.

As a parent I could not imagine this horror. I hope that the officer who murdered this little girl pays both financially by being sued into the poorhouse, and criminally with real time handed out. Also anyone in the police chain of command should be charged in whatever manner is possible for authorizing this travesty.

( I'd like to share a little info a gleaned from the cops I served with in the National Guard. Many police after being sued a couple of times do not keep any assets solely in their name. I personally know several who keep bank accounts and property in their spouses or close family members name to avoid any judgments that possibly may arise against them from their duties.)

It looks like the cops WERE at fault afterall;

There is no question about what happened because it's in the videotape," Fieger said. "It's not an accident. It's not a mistake. There was no altercation.
"The gun was fired before anyone goes through the door. There are lights all over, like it's a television set."
A camera crew for the cable television crime-reality series "The First 48" was at the raid, although Fieger declined to say whether the video he watched was shot by the crew.
www.washingtonpost.com...

Could be a case of cops getting a little too worked up because of the cameras? trying to make "good television"?

[edit on 17-5-2010 by Just Wondering]

Poor kid, may she RIP. And another sad thing is probably absolutely nothing will happen to this cop. He will get off scott-free. Maybe a suspension with pay and thats about it. Typical.

Sorry, but how does your gun accidently go off and you shot a young child. I am a marine and have a lot of experience with guns and not once has one "accidently" gone off. And I too would be stuggling and fighting with someone who is just breaking into my house, a flash grenade went through her window then some people busted in screaming and yelling most likely, she was most likely disoriented and didn't know what was going on. It wasn't her family that was hiding the murderer, he was in another apartment, so obviuosly she probably wasnt just expecting a bunch of cops to all of a sudden bust through the door.

These are very badly trained cops, jees.


[edit on 17-5-2010 by jeasahtheseer]

reply to post by Just Wondering


This is just heartbreaking. I was thinking how awful the officer must feel that a child was killed, when really, they, he, or whomever fired the bullets could have cared less. I'm surprised nobody else was killed.

Thanks for posting this new article.

It's absolutely disgusting, how everyone was given the false information of their being a struggle when this thread first opened.

Originally posted by johnny2127
Why don't all of you cop haters just start a thread called 'We hate the police'. The you can go in there and spew your hate and venom. Obviously you have no desire to listen to logic and simply want to jump to conclusions so you can justify your hatred. Of course you will be the first to call and ask for help and ask them to defend your lives with theirs if you need it. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[edit on 17-5-2010 by johnny2127]

Yeah, the logic of kicking in the door to the wrong apartment? Why don't you start a thread "we LOVE the police". The only reason I would call the cops is if someone is running around shooting people nearby and that is only because I don't own a gun...I'll let you know when that happens, but it won't bring that young girl back will it? Lots of logic in here. Absolutely disgusting...

[edit on 17-5-2010 by SmokeandShadow]

Originally posted by johnny2127
Why don't all of you cop haters just start a thread called 'We hate the police'. The you can go in there and spew your hate and venom. Obviously you have no desire to listen to logic and simply want to jump to conclusions so you can justify your hatred. Of course you will be the first to call and ask for help and ask them to defend your lives with theirs if you need it. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[edit on 17-5-2010 by johnny2127]

ill call the police next time i need a little girl killed, thanks.

ive called the police a total of 0 times in my life. and it will remain 0, as the call isnt even worth the miniscule amount of energy it takes to even lift the phone off the receiver and put it to my ear.

your obviously a cop, thank you mr guardian savior of the universe, we owe you our lives.


and wuttuya know. they got the whole thing on tape and it turns out he DID shoot first.

Oh hey, look at this!

abcnews.go.com...

Atty: Video Shows Police Fired Into Detroit Home
Attorney: Reality show video contradicts police version of raid that left Detroit girl dead

An attorney for the family of a 7-year-old girl slain during a weekend raid at their Detroit home says video footage contradicts the police department's version of events.

Geoffrey Fieger (FI-ger) said Monday that footage shot by the A&E crime-reality show "The First 48" shows that police fired into the home at least once after lobbing a flash grenade through a window.

He says that contradicts the police department's explanation that an officer's gun fired during a confrontation with a resident inside the home.

Seven-year-old Aiyana Jones was shot in the neck and died.

Fieger says he viewed three to four minutes of footage but declined to say who showed it to him.

The police department says it is trying to acquire the video.

An A&E spokesman declined to comment.

Wow, it looks like the police DID lie! Just like they often do!

Hooo boy, I laughing at you people who defended their actions right now. Can't wait to see how you deflect and ignore this!

I have lived almost my entire life in a town with the crookedest cops you could imagine. I am hardened to this crap. I hate LEO, in general (although realize there are a few good ones, they are not the rule in general) and have repeatedly watched them victimize the citizens of multiple communities. They are nothing more than a sanctioned mafia.

what you see in this case is the worst of the worst. having her die was not enough. she had to spend her final moments in the agony of having a flashbang burning her.

no punishment is enough.

reply to post by SpectreDC


Cops lieing about something? Thats nothing new. The first time I read this story I knew the story that the police were giving is most likely not what actually happened, as it often is with stories from police.