Thailand slips into Chaos - Bangkok becomes a War Zone

I think this will unfortunately end up quite badly for the protestors.

I was initially wondering what their politics were, and whilst the BBC appears to be sympathetic to their cause, I cannot help but remember listening to Terrance McKenna talking about how Western Governments would shutter at the thought of 1 million peaceable people telling a corrupt Government to pack up and leave. Whether these Red Shirts are wholly ‘peaceable’ is another concern, as the military have the guns operating under a corrupt Government.

Quoting the BBC:

Many of the protesters come from Thailand's rural north and northeast. They benefited from the populist policies Mr Thaksin framed during his five years in power - such as on health and education - and many of them want him back. Others are urban intellectuals who want to see more democracy and less military influence in the country.


These various constituencies make up the anti-government United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), and are known for wearing distinctive red shirts. The red-shirts say Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva came to power illegitimately and is a puppet of the military. They want Mr Abhisit to resign and call fresh elections.

‘’The impression given of the red-shirts in pro-government media is of a Thaksin-fixated rabble, prone to violence. But red-shirt leaders say their movement is about much more than one man and his money; they say the movement is about more profound social change. They say that every vote should count, and that Thailand should break out of a pattern of military intervention supporting an elite bureaucratic system.’’

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Now, quoting McKenna (‘on Human Nature’), ‘’the thing that happened in Tiananmen Square, you could feel every Government on Earth heave a sigh of relief when they got that under control, because the nightmare of every Government on Earth is a million peaceable people assemble in the main square of your capital city demanding you (the Government) pack up for Switzerland. That is it! If it happens in Bucharest, you go. If it happens in Tehran you go, if it happens in Washington you go, nobody says ‘no’ to a million people in the streets.

That’s what the shah of Iran found out when he made a decree that if more than three people gathered together in any place they would be shot dead. The next day 2 ½ million people marched screaming beneath his window for his head’’.

Irrespective of anyone’s opinion on this, I am sure there are some nervous Government faces watching the screens hoping for a full on military response to the protestors.

What we are seeing in Greece at the moment and in Bangkok, as well as those mentioned by McKenna, is the typical Governmental ‘response to democracy’!

The king is dead, long live the king! (depending on how much his funeral costs, I guess).

You are no better than the murderous ' a piece of sh&t govt'!!!


The poor thais lacked education unlike the priviledge rich who live off the toil of these people, and are sent to boarding schools around the world. The poor lacks the language to defend themselves.

But they are human, just like the rest of us here, and one day if we are not careful, we will end up like them having to fight for our rights given away. Hell if I am going to let your tripe lull and spread BS here on this site!!

I answered EVERYONE of your questions, unfortunately you personally don't like the answers. That is your right, I have no wish to brainwash anyone just to present the facts as I see them. i was not evasive in any answer, you even agree that the poor are uneducated, do you honestly believe thay are not being used as pawns? How do you define elite? Is Thaksin Shinawatra, the members of the Pua Thai Party and leadership of the UDD not also part of the elite, you so despise?

I have not been abusive in any way towards you, what right do you have to be abusive to me?

I get it, you dont like the present government in Thailand, you obviously have not witnessed the M79 grenade attacks by the red shirts that have been prominently featured in the news, the same western media that have an anti-government bias, therefore in your mind they didn't happen?

Now let me ask you some questions:

1. As a non Thai, where does your hatred stem from?

2. What right do you have to call me a murderer by association?

3. Did you not see the soldiers killed by explosions on April 10th?

4. How many people did the yellow shirts kill or even hurt physically when they took over the airport? Now answer honestly!

5. Who do you think should be the Prime Minister?

6. Don't you think education is more important than just giving money away?

7. If someone came into your neighbourhood and trashed it, controlled who goes in and out, beat, robbed and/or charged you to get to your residence, closed all the local businesses and destroyed peoples lives, would you offer them food and drink?

8. How many people other than Thaksin were hurt in the Coup that ousted his reign? Again answer honestly!

9. How did Thaksin share wealth equally with the poor, when he has Billions and they STIL HAVE VERY LITTLE? He had six years to change that, sharing equally is not throwing scaps and giving them loans which they can use to spend only with companies Thaksin owned!

Thaksin is not in exile he is fleeing the law in self imposed exile, there is a difference you know that, dont you?

Middle class people are not rich, just richer than the poor and they make up the majority of the yellow Shirts PAD supporters, they are not part of the elite but they are better educated than the poor, who have had less access to education and something that Abhisit has just rectified, by making it compulsary to attend school until 16 years of age, has he not?

I never skipped your last question, I just ran out of characters in the post and needed to continue on another post, so don't be so pathetic.

Personally, I find your post so full of hatred and venom, similar to that of the likes of red shirt leaders Jaturporn and Arisman that it is frightening, when you try to claim the humane angle!

Only your man Thaksin can end this without more injuries and deaths on both sides by telling the protesters to go home, have they not yet made their point? Curiously, he is silent on this!

Funny how he says that the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister should be arressted and tried by the same court of law that he ran away from, hypocrysy indeed.

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We are not talking about a million protesters here, there are less than 10,000 out of a population of approximately 70 million. Hardly worthy of a revolution is it?

I intended to reply to you but then thought better of it. You had your say, and me mine. Let the readers decide.

Pointless to continue this arguement with you because at the end of the day, the fact remains - a well trained and equipped army was set upon soft skinned unarmed citizens who were only pleading for crumbs.

Only animals and barbarians would do that and their supporters would agree to such measures and whitewash it with hypocrisy. They could have settle issues easily but no, murder was the better game plan. So be it and they will have to live with the consequences.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


You lie on every point and obviosly do not have any insight into what is happening in Thailand, Thaksin is orchestrating this from his exile where he is evading his corruption sentence.

Thaksin is the murdering piece of manipulatory scheise who hasn't got the guts to face the consequences of his own actions, and he pays poor people to make the sacrifice he obviously hasn't got the balls to make.

You should listen to what Honkongphooey says as he shows a very good understanding of the topic and doesn't seem to have the same compulsion to lie.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
I intended to reply to you but then thought better of it. You had your say, and me mine. Let the readers decide.

Pointless to continue this arguement with you because at the end of the day, the fact remains - a well trained and equipped army was set upon soft skinned unarmed citizens who were only pleading for crumbs.

Only animals and barbarians would do that and their supporters would agree to such measures and whitewash it with hypocrisy. They could have settle issues easily but no, murder was the better game plan. So be it and they will have to live with the consequences.

Typical, you ask me to answer your questions which I took the time to do so, when I ask of you the same, you shy away and claim the moral ground.

Your red shirts are a bunch of thug bullies, who push and push until they face retaliation and then claim they are poor defenceless citizens, they have had no remorse for the people they have hurt, mamed and killed but are quick to blame everyone else. You reap what you sow!

BTW, I would like to see a much fairer redistribution of wealth worldwide, an end to war and peace decend on this earth but the red shirts have been anything but peaceful and their agenda is hurt by the fact that a rich elite meglamaniac is their leader and saviour!

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Sorry, but at this stage Hongkongphooey appears to have more credibility than you do on this issue. He/She answered all your questions and appears to have a deep understanding of the situation that is going on.

I know you feel for the protesters, but using the "protesters are all innocent civilians going about it peacefully" line does not make you right in this situation.

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For sure it will end badly for the protestors. What chances do they have against live ammunition?

I agree with you that Govts are nervous now and equally hoping the military option will be successful, and set an example for the rest of the world to follow.

The rest of the human race are not blind to what is happening. They are adaptable and resiliant. They will back down for security sake. But never under-estimate such compliance.

History is replete with revolutions. When people come in peace, unarmed, and seek for redress is met instead with bullets, a social change will be ripe to happen. And it will be a bloodbath. Not today, not tomorrow, but in time to come, no matter how good their Gestapo organisations will be.

History has the habit of telling the truth. Only the deluded will cover their eyes and ears with fantasies.....

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Pointless to continue this arguement with you because at the end of the day, the fact remains - a well trained and equipped army was set upon soft skinned unarmed citizens who were only pleading for crumbs.

Utter drivel, sorry but there's no other way to put it. You need to educate yourself before you start spewing your so called facts. I also live in Thailand and have done for several years.
Hongkongphooey has pretty much nailed it.

The following video may be upsetting for some. It is of a soldier being murdered by your so called un-armed pleading citizens.

I like to hear what your opinion of this video is?

Edit-: Embed didn't Work heres link. Video

[edit on 15/5/2010 by who-me?]

reply to post by Dark Ghost


You need not apologise. Credibility is only dependent on how much one is willing to explore information from all angles, sieve through all facts and bs to come up with an informed perception, which is yours alone.

At this stage, it's already too late, as my concern is first and foremost on precious human lives, a fact that unarmed civilians had been murdered on the streets. If you want credibility, you need not look further than that fact, unwashable despite hypocrisy prevalent...

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The death of a soldier is a sad loss. He was a combatant. He had a weapon. Who was his assiliants?

Do you want me to show you the 800 seriously injured unarmed men, women and children that were shot upon now hospitalized?

I know that there is no way I can change your mind, it will be futile to do so, for it is already set. Sadly, you are willing to condone murder upon innocent humans.

I can only hope one day you will not be on the receiving end of a rifle from a govt troop while unarmed and only pleading to be heard.

Peace.

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Please, STOP. Stop claiming that these people are un-armed and that all you post is fact, its is a blanket statement which has no place and is simply wrong.

Watch the video I posted again. Tell me if it is fact or not after.

Originally posted by who-me?

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Pointless to continue this arguement with you because at the end of the day, the fact remains - a well trained and equipped army was set upon soft skinned unarmed citizens who were only pleading for crumbs.

Utter drivel, sorry but there's no other way to put it. You need to educate yourself before you start spewing your so called facts. I also live in Thailand and have done for several years.
Hongkongphooey has pretty much nailed it.

The following video may be upsetting for some. It is of a soldier being murdered by your so called un-armed pleading citizens.

I like to hear what your opinion of this video is?

Edit-: Embed didn't Work heres link. Video

[edit on 15/5/2010 by who-me?]

But if Seeker of lies 101 doesn't watch it, then it never happened and was just a figment of our imaginations!

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
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The death of a soldier is a sad loss. He was a combatant. He had a weapon. Who was his assiliants?

Do you want me to show you the 800 seriously injured unarmed men, women and children that were shot upon now hospitalized?

I know that there is no way I can change your mind, it will be futile to do so, for it is already set. Sadly, you are willing to condone murder upon innocent humans.

I can only hope one day you will not be on the receiving end of a rifle from a govt troop while unarmed and only pleading to be heard.

Peace.

Bold, added by me, First sentence hypocrisy at its finest.

Second sentence, putting words in my mouth much? I never said I condone murder of any sort and I object to the implication that I do or did.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
a well trained and equipped army was set upon soft skinned unarmed citizens who were only pleading for crumbs.

Both government and red shirts are acting rather scummy however, this is all being instigated by that piece of sh*t criminal coward Thaksin. NOONE can deny what he is trying to make those protestors do. Perhaps someone can send in a bounty hunter...

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Facts? I am surprised you would seek for facts. Or is it delusions you prefer to support your fantasies to ignore the larger reality?

This will be the US shortly, it's only a matter of time. It makes me so mad to see their own army shooting at citizens, but that also is another insight to what it will be like here..tough times are ahead

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Red shirts - unarmed protestors seeking to be heard only, are scrummy? Thaksin in charge? Send booty hunters to murder him while the murderous govt goes scot free?

Amazing.

Everyone in America should start growing daisy's now, for future use to insert in the end of the guns that will be pointed at them!

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by who-me?

 

The death of a soldier is a sad loss. He was a combatant. He had a weapon. Who was his assiliants?

Do you want me to show you the 800 seriously injured unarmed men, women and children that were shot upon now hospitalized?

I know that there is no way I can change your mind, it will be futile to do so, for it is already set. Sadly, you are willing to condone murder upon innocent humans.

I can only hope one day you will not be on the receiving end of a rifle from a govt troop while unarmed and only pleading to be heard.

Peace.

You have no understanding of the realism that is going on, I suspect that you are just a traveller with little finances that has befriended some poor uneducated Thai's or have an uneducated thai girlfriend from one of the bars, would I be close? but even then the majority of Thai prostitutes do not support the red shirts as they are harming their trade, as they are harming the livelyhood of all the hotel, service and tour industry staff that come from Esarn too!

Where is your sympathy for the poor ill people who were evacuated when the red troops stormed Chulalongkorn hospital? What about the sick patients that died due to the evacuation. What about the people who live in the area who have to put up with loudspeakers blaring 20 hours a day ruining their lives and are held virtual prisoners in their own homes! What about the soldiers just doing there duty, driving trucks who are pulled out of their trucks, beaten and shot at point blank range? Call yourself humane, you sir are a disgrace!!!