Thailand slips into Chaos - Bangkok becomes a War Zone

Thailand slips into Chaos - Bangkok becomes a War Zone

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Thai troops fired bullets at anti-government protesters and explosions thundered in the heart of Bangkok on Friday as an army push to clear the streets and end a two-month political standoff. (May 14)

Thailand is the biggest most successful democracy in the south eastern Asia , when we connect the dots of these riots to those in Greece Romania etc...it is easy to conclude that we are probably in front of the collapse of a model capitalism and democracy are collapsing worldwide

Wow, looks pretty crazy.


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reply to post by Jane_Rogers


I hope this is not an omen of things to come for the US.

The way things are going, I fear that may be the case. So sad to see them firing on citizens. It simply leaves me speechless.

Why is the military firing on its own citizens???
They are firing on their own citizens instead of fighting alongside them!!
If the government is corrupt then the military shouldn't be protecting them.
These soldiers are thugs and welcome to the REAL world.

If these citizens were smart enough to gather in protest then they will be smart enough to restore order when they achieve their goal.
(Which is getting rid of the corrupt government like they wanted)



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This might not be so bad in the USA, rather than put up with the crap they get from govt they are resisting, showing courage.

and this is the NWO agenda?

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
Why is the military firing on its own citizens???
They are firing on their own citizens instead of fighting alongside them!!

That's been going on since the dawn of 'civilized' man. Money talks.

Political Scientist Jospeh Nye defines power as the ability to get someone else what they otherwise would not. Maybe that will help to answer your question.

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Because in the past month the protesters - supporters of former thai pm thaksin shinawatra who was convicted of corruption and removed from office - have killed 31 police and military at last count prior to this including they went into hospitals in bangkok looking for wounded police and soldiers to kill. The current thai pm elected properly Has tried repeatedly to deal peacefully with the protest leaders to no avail.. Sad as it is to see happen .. it is happening. All because a few individuals want to bring thaksin back to power he stole billions from the country before he fled..

Yeah and get this the guns they are using against they're own people are American made m 16's. The US is contracted to sell them weapons.

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That's an outright deliberate lie! The protestors were unarmed and yet, at the insistance of the govt, the soldiers fired upon the people on April 10. 25 people died, and 800 seriously wounded. Majority of them were the common people.

Show me the 31 soldiers who died as you claim!!!

The current illegal govt are made up of the rich elites in Bangkok out to protect their own domination and priviledges and are a murderous bunch who will stoop to killing innocent men, women and children who only are poor and hungry, seeking for help through an honest change of govt and better representation.

The govt instead labelled such men as terrorists and turn weapons upon them. This is the NWO style. And when the NWO starts its nonsense in US, those who question the govt will all have labets and gunsights pointed at them!

Thanks for your post. At least one known lying NWO shill uncovered here.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Go ahead and believe what the western media tells you then. I was in Bangkok 2 weeks ago visiting friends who are Thai and live there. The MAJORITY of Thai people DO NOT support the protesters. Ahh well guess it will always be easier for you westerners to believe what your media tells you. As for me am saying a prayer for the people of thailand that the violence ends soon and they have peace..

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That's funny considering I work with several Thai people and they seem to agree with SeekerofTruth. Your friends are probably upper class snobs.

If your going to comment about this situation you should at least be educated enough on the events and truth before making your assumptions. First before I relay the truth of what is happening, I will outline the fact that I have lived in Thailand for the last 25 years, I speak, read and write in Thai and I have friends that are from the rich, middle class and poor. I have worked for Thai busineses, hotel's and the media: i have done much charity work to help the poor.

This is not a battle between rich and poor as portrayed by the western media, which is an easy explanation but far from the truth. This is about MONEY, GREED and EDUCATION!

The educated people whether they are rich, middle class or poor are undoubtedly behind the Abhisit Democrat led Alliance which governs the country.

The battle has been caused by the greed and corruption ofd one man Thaksin Shinawatra! In all the years I have spent in Thailand, I have NEVER seen the Thai people divided the way they are today all caused by promises to the poor of the North and North East regions of get rich quick schemes, if they support Thaksins protests to bring down the government.

The protestors are lured by the promise of money, depending on their status and usefullness of between 500 baht ($15) - 2,000 Baht ($62) a day for a fighting guard. The leaders of the so called UDD 'Red Shirts' have been paid millions of Baht by Thaksin to build up and maintain the protests. If a protestor is killed in the line of duty the surviving family will receive 5,000 Baht ($156) from the Red Shirts, life is cheap and Thaksin does not care how many of his supporters get killed as long as they help achieve his objectives of getting back the US$ 1 Billion that the Royal Thai Courts have confiscated due to his overt corruption, in which he even went as far to change laws to suit himself to avoid tax, whilst he was prime minister. He also wants to come back to Thailand (after fleeing to Exile rather than face charges of graft where he was found guilty and sentenced to a 2 year prison sentence) riding on a white horse as the saviour of the people and regaining the 'best gig in town'!

What did Thaksin do whilst in power to win the love of the people of Esarn (the poorest and most uneducated region in the North East) and the North? Well first he is from the Northern Capital of Chiang Mai and that wins him support of that region Whilst in power, he chose to reward those regions that supported him in elections by giving them access to government loans and larger budgets, whereas the places where they did not support Thaksin were punished.

The government loans that were given out to the poor were done on several conditions which included the money could be spent only on buying goods from government recommended vendors which were all owned of course by Thaksin with whispers to the poor 'don't worry this is a government loan, you won't have to pay the money back' The poor then went ahead borrowing large sums to buy cars, motorbikes, TV's, mobile phones etc., without any thought of who was going to pay (the tax payers). As Thaksin owned all the government recommended resellers guess who finanicially benefitted?

Thaksin had become Thailand's richest man on the back of much corruption and government favours, he was a corrupt policeman that went into business gaining government contracts through favour and was even involved in the devaluation of the currency in the 90's when he, Chavalit Yongchaiyut and Banharn Silapan-Archa (both former PM's) engineered the devaluation, sent all their own assetts overseas, then devalued the Baht by more than 100% and then brought their money back home having doubled their assetts overnight.

Even before he was kicked out of government by the military coup, he had sold his telecom company at vast profit and changed the law so that he did not have to pay approximately $1 billion in taxes, which is why the Thai courts froze his Thai banks accounts.

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[edit on 15-5-2010 by Hongkongphooey]

This has nothing to do with the New World Order, CIA or Americans, this is between Thai's for control of the countries soul. Thaksin has styled himself on much of the traits of Adolf Hitler. His red shirt army are very reminiscent of the National Socialist 'brown shirts' of the 1930's. They are nothing but a bunch of paid thugs who have beaten, killed and mamed innocent victims in their quest for more riches. the red shirts have attracted the lowest elements of society, the young gangs, drug addicts and mobsters from the slums who are now terrorising the centre of Bangkok as they have done since the day the court verdict came back to confiscate Thaksin's ill gotten wealth (coincidence? I think not).

The poor people who have been easily brainwashed and brought to Bangkok by the lure of easy money are now trapped by red shirt bosses and guards have taken away their Id's and are no longer handing out money so freely, so they are being told they will be paid at a later date.

Residents who live in the area are being brutilised by the mobs, their cars are searched by the red guards, they steal what they want, hurt who they want and extract heavy tolls from the residents who try and drive their cars to and from their homes in the area. Many Major hotels, banks, shopping malls, restaurants and businesses have been closed down for weeks and all through the government have tried to deal with the situation without further loss of life. they have shown much patience but enough is enough the majority of the population are demanding action to bring these thugs down and bring Thailand back to normal.

The red shirts military wing was highly organised with many military weapons, not just bamboo sticks and molotov cocktails as many would have you believe (and that is frightening enough). They have continually fired M79 grenades at public areas, wounding and killing many innocents, they have targeted and killed police and soldiers.

Whilst Thaksin was in power he had a well publisized war on drugs which indiscriminately killed over 2,500 people, many had nothing to do with drugs but were Thaksins opponents or business associates. Those that were drug dealers were never given a chance, no arrest or trial! However, i wonder who benefits? Could it be the same man that benefitted from given out government loans? When there was a protest against Thaksin in the south of Thailand, he had the army massacre the protesters (because it suited him).

I love Thailand and its people, unfortunately all the wrong elements in society are being used by one man and his cronies to win back his power and money, whilst throwing a few scraps to his supporters.

Thaksin was voted into power by a huge budget that paid voters to caste their vote in his favour 500 Baht a vote, now those same people cry about democracy when they dont even understand what it is! Now the poor are just being used as pawns in a game of power!

Hopefully the government and army puts this revolt down soon so the country can get back to normal.

Pom rahk prathet Thai, mai chawp Thaksin Squarehead Shinawatra!



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So you claimed to speak with authority on the Thai situation and everyone else is 'uneducated' opinions? Then tell me:-

1. Who are the yellow shirts and how were they paid to demostrate

2. How was Thaksin being kicked out of Thailand, and what was the charges?

3. And upon what charge was the abi# administration declared illegal recently by the electoral commission?

4. What evidence do you have to show that Thaksin paid out to the red shirts to demostrate on his behalf?

5. What evidence do you have to show that its all about Thakin and a push to return him to power?

6. What had the bangkok elites done for the poor in Thailand?

7. Do you enjoy and support the murder of innocent poor men, women and children of Thailand who only seek for better representation? Skip the hypocrisy please and stick the fact of what actually happened.

Please do not skip even one question, Mr Thai Authority. Spare us your lullabies.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
2. How was Thaksin being kicked out of Thailand, and what was the charges?

That one is a bit of a long story.

Worth a read, though - for anyone new to this topic.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by Hongkongphooey

 

So you claimed to speak with authority on the Thai situation and everyone else is 'uneducated' opinions? Then tell me:-

1. Who are the yellow shirts and how were they paid to demostrate

2. How was Thaksin being kicked out of Thailand, and what was the charges?

3. And upon what charge was the abi# administration declared illegal recently by the electoral commission?

4. What evidence do you have to show that Thaksin paid out to the red shirts to demostrate on his behalf?

5. What evidence do you have to show that its all about Thakin and a push to return him to power?

6. What had the bangkok elites done for the poor in Thailand?

7. Do you enjoy and support the murder of innocent poor men, women and children of Thailand who only seek for better representation? Skip the hypocrisy please and stick the fact of what actually happened.

Please do not skip even one question, Mr Thai Authority. Spare us your lullabies.

1. The Yellow Shirts were 'The Peoples Alliance for Democracy' and I have no doubt that payments were made to protest, I do not condone what the PAD did at the airport as I was affected by it. However, the yellow shirts were never violent, never hurt anyone and were continually attacked by UDD red shirts using their trademark M79 grenades.

2. Thaksin was NOT kicked out of Thailand, I NEVER stated that, he fled because he was found guilty in a land case involving his wife personally benefitting in the purchase of government land at far below market prices. He was sentenced to TWO years imprisonment but has NEVER returned! In fact, Thaksin's lawyers tried to bribe the judges with sandwich boxes filled with cash, obviously the conduct of an innocent and law abiding man!

3. The Abhisit government is neither beyond reproach and of course they have been found guilty of vote buying and misappropriation of party funds. Abhisit himself has tried to clean up his party and wants a more UK style democracy but of course the old dinosaurs oppose this.

4. The words of Thaksin himself if you ever listen or read his speeches, do you you speak or read Thai? Thaksin openly declared that he had sent 100 million baht to the UDD just 3 weeks ago. During speeches on stage Jatruporn, Weera, Arisman and others have often made statements about Thaksin's financial backing and the promise of more to come!

5. Are you kidding? This has always been about Thaksin from day one. However, if you take the time to read what I have outlined previously, without any predjudice) you will clearly see the link. This latest set of demonstrations started the day after the verdict from the courts to confiscate approximately $1 Billion of the $2 Billion in Thaksin's Thai bank accounts, if you cannot see the link there then you will need to open your five senses.

6. What have the Bangkok elite done for the poor in Thailand??? that is an unfair question as the same applies to any country however, I would say the elite own businesses that employ workers, many of which come from the impoverished North East. If you mean by Elite, the current government? I would say that they have slashed all government loans by 50% and worked out longer repayment plans for the poor, especially farmers. No one does that for the poor in other countries do they? Could it be that they dont want to pay anything back for the loans because they believed Thaksin's cronies??? Would that then make the current government unpopular with them, I would probably say so.



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Originally posted by Jane_Rogers
Thailand slips into Chaos - Bangkok becomes a War Zone

economycollapse.blogspot.com...

Thai troops fired bullets at anti-government protesters and explosions thundered in the heart of Bangkok on Friday as an army push to clear the streets and end a two-month political standoff. (May 14)

Thailand is the biggest most successful democracy in the south eastern Asia , when we connect the dots of these riots to those in Greece Romania etc...it is easy to conclude that we are probably in front of the collapse of a model capitalism and democracy are collapsing worldwide

Thailand is the second largest economy in South-East Asia.

I was in Bangkok a couple of weeks ago...
...a few city block and roadways are affected...
...military presence is there and at roads into the airport...
...but apart from there being a little less traffic it was business as usual most places.

The media is focused on the conflict but there is no sign of it in most of the greater city area.

The rule of law and stable government are not under threat...
...but they are taking quite a hit economically.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by Hongkongphooey

 

So you claimed to speak with authority on the Thai situation and everyone else is 'uneducated' opinions? Then tell me:-

1. Who are the yellow shirts and how were they paid to demostrate

2. How was Thaksin being kicked out of Thailand, and what was the charges?

3. And upon what charge was the abi# administration declared illegal recently by the electoral commission?

4. What evidence do you have to show that Thaksin paid out to the red shirts to demostrate on his behalf?

5. What evidence do you have to show that its all about Thakin and a push to return him to power?

6. What had the bangkok elites done for the poor in Thailand?

7. Do you enjoy and support the murder of innocent poor men, women and children of Thailand who only seek for better representation? Skip the hypocrisy please and stick the fact of what actually happened.

Please do not skip even one question, Mr Thai Authority. Spare us your lullabies.

7. Er, skip the hypocracy you say? Putting words in my mouth saying do I support the violence? Not at all, I deplore violence and what is happening to the country I consider my home. However, what to do? Do you really think the red shirts are innocents in this? They have closed down the area affecting thousands of residents and workers. they have shut off the centre of the city creating road blocks, like they are the authorities? Searching, stealing and demanding toll fee's to pass through their roadblocks! No government in the world would allow this would they? can You imagine the UK government allowing the West End of London being shut down by demonstrators for weeks or the US government allowing New York City to be brought to its knees? No way!

Abhist offered the UDD a way out with his 'Roadmap' towards a new election, which the UDD at first accepted and then renegged on because of a split in their leadership which has caused the less militant leaders to leave and yet may have been behind the shooting of Seh Daeng the military leader of the red shirts although no one knows for sure yet! if the military did shoot Seh Daeng, he had made his own bed with his activities and boasts these past few months! karma is quite big in this part of the world.

As too the poverty in Thailand, the poor maybe poor but they are well fed, no one goes hungry in Thailand do they? They are all clean and that is a credit to them and this contrasts starkly with the poverty encountered in other parts of South east Asia like Cambodia, Myanmar and the Philippines.

You can try to twist my words or believe what you like, I am just reporting the reality of what is happening. I am not Thai and have no vote, although I do have a Thai son. I do not support Thaksin or Abhisit and just want the best for Thailand. 6 years of Thaksin was not good for Thailand as some make out and I truly believe that Abhisit has tried to do his best to help the poor, try to negotiate an end to this nonsense protest and bring peace to the country.

The loss of life could be avoided only by one thing and that is Thaksin telling the protesters to go home, but that does not suit his agenda! The red shirt leaders have been baiting and attacking the military and declare they are ready to fight, they have fashioned many weapons and destroyed the once beautiful Lumpini Park and the livlihoods of many people. Not really the actions of a peaceful protest is it????

Thanks for your reply.

You failed to reply to my questions directly and instead chosed evasion and distraction.

1. The yellow shirts which you had attempted to cover up disrupted international air flights and caused much more harm to the tourism industry than the red shirts ever did.

You claimed that the red shirts owned M79 grenades, yet you did not provide any evidence. These despicable yellow shirted were members of the priviledged rich out to protect their own way of life and had no intention of sharing any of the nation's wealth with the poor.

Rich yet they were willing to accept payments to protest, unlike the red shirts who have no money and needed Thaksin to provide water and food to sustain them in their protest against slavery of the common people.


2. Thaksin was ousted by a coup while he was abroad on official business, based on a trumped up charge of electoral fraud and unconstitutionally froze his assets. His only crime was to share the nation's wealth with the rural poor through reduction of poverty and providing healthcare for the poor.

Such acts were against the priviledge rich, thus the need to 'fix' him, for curtailing their ill begotten gains.


3. The ab piece of sh&T administration similarly were found guilty of electoral fraud and bribery, this time by the electoral commission with evidence. Yet this sh*tty illegal govt is still in place. Your glossing over their despicable act is noted here.

4. How were this millions by Thaksin spent? You have no evidence that each had pocketed money.

The only thing evident anyone who saw was that the poor and hungry protestors were fed and quenched by funds from Thakin, an exile who cannot return and where NOT even a single drop of water was offered to the poor by the bangkok residents under the hot scorching sun. Talk about unity and one people!


5. Again, you provide no evidence that the protestors were fighting for the return of Thaksin, when the fact is that they are only seeking better and more inclusive representation instead of just a political system that favours and patronise the rich elites. All you have are only spurrious claims.


6. For centuries, the fact was the bangkok elites had never any intention of sharing wealth with the rural poor. They were kept poor and stupid until Thaksin came along and revitalise them, sharing wealth equally with them all.


7. You chosed to skip this one. Why? Are you frightened of the truth? I thought you were educated enough and claimed others were uneducated. Why the silence over the murders of unarmed men, women and children in broad daylight?

You are no better than the murderous ' a piece of sh&t govt'!!!


The poor thais lacked education unlike the priviledge rich who live off the toil of these people, and are sent to boarding schools around the world. The poor lacks the language to defend themselves.

But they are human, just like the rest of us here, and one day if we are not careful, we will end up like them having to fight for our rights given away. Hell if I am going to let your tripe lull and spread BS here on this site!!