Gulf Oil Spill More Than 10X Greater Than Thought: Experts

What do we use oil for? One answer is lubrication of moving parts, now why is it under the earth ? lube of moving parts ,Tectonic plates maybe .Buckle up as the earth is about to start smokin and seizing like a thrashed motor.

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I like your signature...
What a way to make people think before they type.

STAR!

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I agree lets save our resources.

My latest blog post, while ranting a little about BP embarks on that task.

Specifically, I offer up three ideas which I believe could be worked into possible solutions.

Then in my rant about BP and think how much they ARE NOT or should I say... how much more they could be doing I decided to throw up a wiki.

BP is hiding data from the public which makes it harder, but not impossible, to come up with solutions to cap the spill.

I hope that all of us talking heads, which I am sure have plenty of ideas, can throw can go through the process of suggestion and elimination.

So read the post. Have an idea? Add it to the weak. Want to debunk my ideas, please do so in the name of progress.

Have an idea to make my idea better, add to it.

http://(nolink)/2010/05/15/save-planet-gulf-oil-spill-idea-wiki-contribute-collaborate/

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Everyone but the main stream media at this point knows we are being lied to.
Or should I say it is most likely the master who pull the strings of those media puppets who prevent the truth from being told.

That kind of data needs to be collected so the public can access the true scope of the issue and try to come up with solutions.

Please add as much as you can to the wiki.

I just want to ask everyone here a few questions?

1. Is the reserve of oil they found like a big under water lake?
2. Is this oil like what was on board the exxon valdez?
3. Is the oil coming out of the busted pipe of the heavy crude or light crude?

If we knew more about the type of oil that is coming out of the pipe we might have a better idea on how to try to solve this.

Originally posted by Brit-Tex
If we knew more about the type of oil that is coming out of the pipe we might have a better idea on how to try to solve this.

If we knew more about a lot of things it would help come up with better ideas.

But we have to try. Seriously... I updated the post above. If you read it already then just scroll to the bottom.

http://(nolink)/2010/05/15/save-planet-gulf-oil-spill-idea-wiki-contribute-collaborate/

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"N.of norml,
However surface photos do not reflect the enormous volume the leak would become on it's way to the surface. In fact there is minimal surface gas at the well site.
This suggests a much of the gas is forming a clathrate hydrate as it cools under the huge pressure.
This is a time bomb as the methane hydrate which is likely forming a density partition in deep water at this point will continue to collect until it drifts into warmer water then an astronomical amount of natural gas will come out of the hydrate and bubble to the surface.
This type of event has caused extinction on this planet in the past."

I said this was occurring yesterday in the mentioned post. As I also said the trapped gas is the far more drastic and immediate short term threat this event presents.
Telling that while this was occurring at the site while the ROVs had to pass thru the thickening partition layer yet it is presented as a "new " finding.
As if feeding us crap with a baby spoon makes it more tolerable...feh!
I have a degree in chemistry I got by working the rigs and fields I know a bit about oil and a lot about chemistry. But not as much about this chemistry as a petrochemist, who would know about the oil/gas /ice matrix that forms around natural seeps at these depths. And would have far more data than I did when I realized this was the case in why so little oil and gas have hit surface.
To any who wish to minimize the situation I repeat huge die offs and even mass extinctions have happened due to methane.
should these plumes become mixed en mass with warmer water an amount of natural gas of unprecedented volume will be released. For now most of the oil and gas are likely building up in these partition layers like a ticking time bomb.
N.

How much oil?

BP/NOAA/Coast Gard - 5,000 bpd
Professor Ian MacDonald at Florida State University - 25,000 bpd
SkyTruth - 26,500 bpd
Professor Steve Werely at Purdue University - 70,000 bpd
Coast Guard Commandant Admiral Thad Allen - 100,000 bpd

I just calculated that if the oil leak is 50,000 bpd and it has been 26 days then..

About 1,300,000 barrels have leaked or about 54,600,000 gallons!

If this isn't stopped soon, I'll make a live counter, or if someone else wants to make one now here is what you'll need..

Started on April 20th at 9:53pm Central
@50,000 bpd - .5787 bar/sec or 24.306 gal/sec
50,000 bar = 2,100,000 gal
86,400 sec/day

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There is a live counter on (nolink). It is a widget you can copy and past the embed code like a youtube video.

Originally posted by alexhiggins732
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There is a live counter on (nolink). It is a widget you can copy and past the embed code like a youtube video.

Thanks!
I'll take a look.

Originally posted by [davinci]
How much of this oil is being drug way out of the area before it ever hits the surface? Are we going to hear at some point about a mysterious oil slick seen by pilots in the middle of the Atlantic? I can't help but think about the garbage patch in the Pacific where all the crap thrown into the oceans is accumulating (something that is also WAY under reported).

Listen carefully, everyone, you WANT the oil to be carried out into the deep ocean. Where do you expect it to go? The ocean breaks it down. What doesnt break down oil is sand, plant life, animals, and so so. oil STICKS to things. The best place for it sunk miles beneath the ocean far away from land where most animals and humans live.

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Are you seriously implying that methane released by the oil leak will cause mass extinction?!?

[edit on 16-5-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Originally posted by Brit-Tex
I just want to ask everyone here a few questions?

1. Is the reserve of oil they found like a big under water lake?
2. Is this oil like what was on board the exxon valdez?
3. Is the oil coming out of the busted pipe of the heavy crude or light crude?

Oil is not a fossil fuel, people need to forget that rubbish.

This from FoxNews this morning...

BP said Saturday it was confident that its experiment using a mile-long pipe would capture much of the oil flowing into the Gulf of Mexico, but engineers failed to connect two pieces of equipment a mile below the water's surface. BP PLC chief operating officer Doug Suttles said one piece of equipment, called the framework, had to be brought to the water's surface so that adjustments could be made to where it fits with the long tube that connects to a tanker above.

The framework holds a pipe and stopper, and engineers piloting submarine robots will try to use it to plug the massive leak and send the crude through the lengthy pipe to the surface.

"The frame shifted, so they were unable to make that connection," said Suttles, who believes the adjustments will make the device work.

At least 210,000 gallons of oil has been gushing into the Gulf of Mexico since an oil rig exploded April 20 and sank two days later. Eleven people were killed in the blast.

As BP struggled to contain the environmental disaster, researchers from the National Institute for Undersea Science and Technology reported this week that they had detected large oil plumes from just beneath the surface of the sea to more than 4,000 feet deep.

Researchers Vernon Asper and Arne Dierks said in Web posts that the plumes were "perhaps due to the deep injection of dispersants which BP has stated that they are conducting."

Three or four large plumes have been found, at least one that is 10 miles long and a mile wide, said Samantha Joye, a marine science professor supporting the mission from her University of Georgia lab.

These researchers were also testing the effects of large amounts of subsea oil on oxygen levels in the water. The oil can deplete oxygen in the water, harming plankton and other tiny creatures that serve as food for a wide variety of sea critters.

Oxygen levels in some areas have dropped 30 percent, and should continue to drop, Joye said.

"It could take years, possibly decades, for the system to recover from an infusion of this quantity of oil and gas," Joye said. "We've never seen anything like this before. It's impossible to fathom the impact."

Joye's lab was waiting for the research boat to return so a team of scientists can test about 75 water samples and 100 sediment samples gathered during the voyage. Researchers plan to go back out in about a month and sample the same areas to see if oil and oxygen levels have worsened.

One observer said BP's latest idea seems to have the best chance for success so far. Inserting a pipe into the oil gusher would be easy at the surface, said Ed Overton, a LSU professor of environmental studies. But using robots in 5,000 feet of water with oil rushing out of the pipe makes things much more difficult.

"It's something like threading the eye of a needle. But that can be tough to do up here. And you can imagine how hard it would be to do it down there with a robot," Overton said.

The tube could capture more than three-quarters of the leak. BP also must contend with a smaller leak that's farther away. If the tube works, it would be the first time the company has been able to capture any of the oil before it fouls the Gulf waters.

A week ago, the company tried to put a massive box over the leak, but icelike crystals formed and BP scrapped that plan.

BP is also drilling a relief well that is considered the permanent solution to stopping the leak. It's about halfway done and still months away from being completed. The company also is still considering using a smaller containment dome known as a "top hat," as well as a "junk shot," in which golf balls and rubber would be inserted to try to clog the leak.

Meanwhile, BP began spraying undersea dispersants at that leak site and said the chemicals appear to have reduced the amount of surface oil.

Originally posted by Morpheas
How much oil?

BP/NOAA/Coast Gard - 5,000 bpd
Professor Ian MacDonald at Florida State University - 25,000 bpd
SkyTruth - 26,500 bpd
Professor Steve Werely at Purdue University - 70,000 bpd
Coast Guard Commandant Admiral Thad Allen - 100,000 bpd

Google Video Link

Watch that to see how predictions and estimates for virtually every disaster are totally overblown by the press and other sources, often by hundreds of times more than reality.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

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I am taking that sig off, I think I overreacted to being asked to leave the country if I don't like big govt/big corp interactions. Which is where most of our major problems come from, like the Gulf oil volcano.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Originally posted by [davinci]
How much of this oil is being drug way out of the area before it ever hits the surface? Are we going to hear at some point about a mysterious oil slick seen by pilots in the middle of the Atlantic? I can't help but think about the garbage patch in the Pacific where all the crap thrown into the oceans is accumulating (something that is also WAY under reported).

Listen carefully, everyone, you WANT the oil to be carried out into the deep ocean. Where do you expect it to go? The ocean breaks it down. What doesnt break down oil is sand, plant life, animals, and so so. oil STICKS to things. The best place for it sunk miles beneath the ocean far away from land where most animals and humans live.

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Are you seriously implying that methane released by the oil leak will cause mass extinction?!?

[edit on 16-5-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Rather than interpret implication please just reread. I wrote that such releases have caused mass die offs and even extinction in the past.As for the huge clathrate hydrate "plumes" if you do not think they are causing mass die offs even now you are ignorant of the oxygen depleting effects of methane in water.
Just so you are informed I did not imply this event will cause a extinction situation But I will state without implication it will and already is causing massive die offs of plant and animal life that will continue to get worse, and the possibility of a methane gas cloud laying along shore is also a real possibility with all the dangers it would bring such as suffocation or fire.

As for the oil sinking to the bottom, this will only occur if the oil is thick and cold with a lot of sand and rock in it otherwise since it is less dense than water it will eventually come to the surface or roll up on shore as as balls .

Granted we are witnessing a unprecedented event but the physical properties of substances are constant so some outcomes are foregone conclusions. Like eventually a lot lot trapped gas will be released with unknown effect but given the physical properties of methane it is hardly a stretch to say it has the capacity to suffocate and or burn in concentration.
So given even the low end estimates of the amounts produced give a volume of gas which is big enough to produce either scenario.
Some may shrug this off but I know enough chemistry and oil work to know this is far worse than is being fleshed in the MSM and likely far worse than some of the speculation on this forum given the spotty info we are forced to sleuth out. But thinking this one is just gonna go away is a very short sighted view and one which may prove dangerous if held by a gulf coast local.
N.

Some perspective of the size of this event.
One plume is said to be 10mi X 3mi X 300ft this equals 1.7 CUBIC MILES of dissolved oil and gas in just one plume.
Is that volume sinking in? that is just one of several underwater plumes.
If anyone thinks the ocean can just swallow 1.7cubic miles of anything think again.
N.

I had to have a bit of a crash course in this by reading everything and I see what you are saying here.

I know they are lying to the people.

Originally posted by N.of norml
reply to post by FancyKat

 

"N.of norml,
However surface photos do not reflect the enormous volume the leak would become on it's way to the surface. In fact there is minimal surface gas at the well site.
This suggests a much of the gas is forming a clathrate hydrate as it cools under the huge pressure.
This is a time bomb as the methane hydrate which is likely forming a density partition in deep water at this point will continue to collect until it drifts into warmer water then an astronomical amount of natural gas will come out of the hydrate and bubble to the surface.
This type of event has caused extinction on this planet in the past."

I said this was occurring yesterday in the mentioned post. As I also said the trapped gas is the far more drastic and immediate short term threat this event presents.
Telling that while this was occurring at the site while the ROVs had to pass thru the thickening partition layer yet it is presented as a "new " finding.
As if feeding us crap with a baby spoon makes it more tolerable...feh!
I have a degree in chemistry I got by working the rigs and fields I know a bit about oil and a lot about chemistry. But not as much about this chemistry as a petrochemist, who would know about the oil/gas /ice matrix that forms around natural seeps at these depths. And would have far more data than I did when I realized this was the case in why so little oil and gas have hit surface.
To any who wish to minimize the situation I repeat huge die offs and even mass extinctions have happened due to methane.
should these plumes become mixed en mass with warmer water an amount of natural gas of unprecedented volume will be released. For now most of the oil and gas are likely building up in these partition layers like a ticking time bomb.
N.