Change Is Happening In Front Of Our Eyes

Originally posted by kyle43
I truly challenge any skeptics to ask themselves why our government, which we are shown by the minute that they are not trustworthy, has up to this point been so jittery about the "disclosure" stars (free energy, et, secret societies, mind power). Yet there has been just as many "well educated, rounded, trustworthy" people such doctors, scientists, spiritual leaders already to have said we, the human race as a collective, already have some knowledge on these subjects and that their is being something hidden?

Isn't it fallacious to believe that the government is not trustworthy, and then to expect some kind of truthful "disclosure"?

And doctors, scientists, spiritual leaders can say anything. Their perceived trustworthiness based on their title does not give their claims any validity. For that there needs to be evidence.

Secret societies do exist, but "mind power" and "free energy"? Both of the latter violate the laws of physics.

[edit on 13-5-2010 by traditionaldrummer]

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Let me explain myself, why is the "establishment" so interested in covering up. I think what led us to this point is the Tesla and Jp Morgan fiasco. When I talk about mind power I'll reference MK-ULTRA. Human consciousness is a very real force. How do you think these criminals are still in power? Do you think it stops there? And hasn't laws of physics been broken before?

I'm also just trying to point out the number of well educated people that can make great claims to both sides of the disclosure subjects.

I don't think I meant to say trust the government when they talk about this stuff? I can't really say at all what to think of it because they haven't done it yet, nothing is set in stone. Listen and follow what feels right to you.



[edit on 13-5-2010 by kyle43]

Originally posted by kyle43
And hasn't laws of physics been broken before?

No, they haven't.

Listen and follow what feels right to you.

To be fair, that creed leads a lot of people to bad places. I'm much more in favor of following the evidence.

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there is meaning in every single thing that we see. the universe is that perfect and that magical. yes things are happening. hopefully soon there will be no more being able to deny it!

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i am sorry if this has been mentioned but i haven't seen it on here. it is pretty recent.

you can add this one to your list.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by franspeakfree
How long have you been on this site or indeed been interested/studying ET phemonmena, when would a politician openly admit that he/she had had contact with ET? when would you have thought to see an Alien embassy being built on this earth?

Look at the headlines and the films and its as plain as the nose on your face, we are heading for change. I am not saying that its all good, and that ET are going to save humanity. I am just saying that life is changing in front of our eyes and everyday seems to be a step closer to everything we have ever talked/bickered about on this site.

My take on the situation is that a disclosure is taking place, its a kind of Damage Limitation disclosure that we are witnessing. The majority of people expect a UFO to land on the whitehouse lawn and ET come out saying hello and then a press conference to the world. This is not the case (at leats not yet) 'they' are realeasing this information at a much faster rate than ever because the inevitable is going to happen soon this isn't one of those DISCLOSURE DISCLOSURE IS COMING type threads, its about change and the way people should look at whats right in front of them.

Because ATS has very experienced,knowledgeable and diligent members We learn pretty much first hand all the 'strange' news before it hits the papers, I would imagine that we can all agree on this site that 2009/2010 has seen a record amount of exposure to UFO,ET,NASA,SPACE related articles. This is because IMHO a change is coming and before we know it,its going to be knocking on the door.

The question is are you ready?


[edit on 13-5-2010 by franspeakfree]

I agree totally.
Absolutely correct.

DISCLOSURE IS COMING and it is on the " tilted table".
They can't stop it.
And Yes, its a kind of Damage Limitation.

Spread the news on MSM about this very important issue is fundamental to knowledge the vast majority of the people and to be aware of what it waits for us... tomorrow.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Wher exactly have you been getting your science information from? Carl Sagan covered the topic of ET life extensively, as far back as the 70s in "Cosmos", and never used such terms.

Agreed that Carl Sagan covered this topic and many others, he and a few select individuals have actually stuck their neck out and braved the backlash BUT I am talking about science as a community its always been the same old story shows me proof, theres no evidence e.t.c e.tc however, thats changing, the more times they get together as a community to discuss the real possibiliy of life contacting us the easier it is to put it out in to the public arena without being ridiculed.

Please take a look at the link on my media attention post, it explains in great detail how the media can influence groups of individuals, its a very powerful tool.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Isn't it fallacious to believe that the government is not trustworthy, and then to expect some kind of truthful "disclosure"?

There are some that believe the disclosure will involve hybrid individuals created from the mixed genetics dna of an alien race and ourselves in labs on earth. To trust the governments at this stage would be very un wise given their track record of agendas.

Originally posted by franspeakfree

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Isn't it fallacious to believe that the government is not trustworthy, and then to expect some kind of truthful "disclosure"?

There are some that believe the disclosure will involve hybrid individuals created from the mixed genetics dna of an alien race and ourselves in labs on earth. To trust the governments at this stage would be very un wise given their track record of agendas.

I think if I saw a hybrid person/alien walking around, I'd kill it; along with everyone else freaking out and killing them. There are just some things that are beyond the norm that the brain would have a hard time dealing with.

Originally posted by franspeakfree
Agreed that Carl Sagan covered this topic and many others, he and a few select individuals have actually stuck their neck out and braved the backlash BUT I am talking about science as a community its always been the same old story shows me proof, theres no evidence e.t.c e.tc however, thats changing, the more times they get together as a community to discuss the real possibiliy of life contacting us the easier it is to put it out in to the public arena without being ridiculed.

I just don't see the scientific commuity operating in a mode of wholesale ridicule. Drake began SETI operations in 1960 and by 1971, NASA was funding research in the area. By 1974 we sent a message to the universe from Arecibo. Where again is this mass ridicule from the scientific community?

Now, to say there is no evidence to date of ET life and demanding evidence is indeed scientific, as is dismissing the common claims of ufologists and alien enthusiasts.

Originally posted by franspeakfree
There are some that believe the disclosure will involve hybrid individuals created from the mixed genetics dna of an alien race and ourselves in labs on earth. To trust the governments at this stage would be very un wise given their track record of agendas.

Then it sounds to me as if some, consciously or not, recognize the fallacy and have invened a creative way around it. There is no other logical explanation for such a belief.

Ok, so this thread this morning for some reason got me agitated,and ready to fight NWO to my last breath, and then I stepped into the sunshine and theres a quality to the light, coming from the central sun/projector at the center of our galaxy, probably white hole, black hole technology, that is evolutionary right now, and pure love. I really recommend everyone spend time outside, even sungaze, blink into it and close your eyes and let it code you, those chakra colors, ask questions of your Higher Self while you phone home, doing this. A holographic universe is erected by lasers/projectors. Stars are such and collective consciousness, their size varies.

Just realized that nwo doesnt have a chance and that there is such a plan in place that we will soon be shifting channels. Even in races such as negatives/hybrids/old empires, there are many good people, shine light always. For some planets are negative in nature, but theres always good in them, and others are good. That means far less negative souls out there than we think, predominantly we are all Love. Its only a small more negative group controlling the whole and the universe/galaxy is projecting in a wave of consciousness love that I really believe that NWO will have to get their own houses in order to meet. The channels are going to shift and they need to join us to get on board, thats my message to them.

Greet Love in all with Love, including if disclosure occurs. And great Fear in any with Love as well.

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Originally posted by Unity_99
Ok, so this thread this morning for some reason got me agitated,and ready to fight NWO to my last breath, and then I stepped into the sunshine and theres a quality to the light, coming from the central sun/projector at the center of our galaxy, probably white hole, black hole technology, that is evolutionary right now, and pure love. I really recommend everyone spend time outside, even sungaze, blink into it and close your eyes and let it code you, those chakra colors, ask questions of your Higher Self while you phone home, doing this. A holographic universe is erected by lasers/projectors. Stars are such and collective consciousness, their size varies.

Just realized that nwo doesnt have a chance and that there is such a plan in place that we will soon be shifting channels. Even in races such as negatives/hybrids/old empires, there are many good people, shine light always. For some planets are negative in nature, but theres always good in them, and others are good. That means far less negative souls out there than we think, predominantly we are all Love. Its only a small more negative group controlling the whole and the universe/galaxy is projecting in a wave of consciousness love that I really believe that NWO will have to get their own houses in order to meet. The channels are going to shift and they need to join us to get on board, thats my message to them.

Greet Love in all with Love, including if disclosure occurs. And great Fear in any with Love as well.

[edit on 13-5-2010 by Unity_99]

In due time, those who are "evil" will find love and they will realize that in the end it doesn't really matter because we are all one anyway. That's what gets me going to be honest, we are all one so why hurt other people? Why not help and teach and learn and better yourself which in turn will better those around you. It's not a difficult concept, I guess some people have too big of an ego to realize it because it took me awhile

Originally posted by nltkn
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i am sorry if this has been mentioned but i haven't seen it on here. it is pretty recent.

you can add this one to your list.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT
I heard about this this morning via email, but I didn't think much of it as the source wasn't reliable enough. I can't help but feel there is an agenda taking place though. If you look deep enough you can see that certain parties are working together, whilst several others are trying all they can to disrupt the transition.

Great post!

Originally posted by Black Ops
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I think if I saw a hybrid person/alien walking around, I'd kill it; along with everyone else freaking out and killing them. There are just some things that are beyond the norm that the brain would have a hard time dealing with.

Do you think that maybe your over reacting there Black Ops, take a deep breath and embrace all that live in the universe as your friend and treat them how you would want to be treated. That sort of talk will just give more fuel to flamers

Originally posted by franspeakfree
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT

The truly disturbing part about this is that this guy is part of a governmental legislative body. I'm convinced most of these politicians are simply insane. It also took him way too long to get around to claiming he saw some document which convinced him that he now believes there's ETs.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
The truly disturbing part about this is that this guy is part of a governmental legislative body. I'm convinced most of these politicians are simply insane. It also took him way too long to get around to claiming he saw some document which convinced him that he now believes there's ETs.

The facts are

1 A russian politician has openly advised people that he has had communication with ET and that the governments should tell the people the truth

2 Stephen Hawking has openly admitted that its a strong possibility that ET exists and that we shouldn't be actively looking for them

3. A member of a government legislative body has openly claimed to have seen documents that pertain to eisenhowers meeting with ET

Am I missing anything here?

Edit : to add

4. The LHC is going to be in full swing soon if not already

5. Norwegian Triangle

6. FT over China thats going to take 1 YEAR to analyse by chinese analysts

I think thats about it for the time being.


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Originally posted by franspeakfree
Am I missing anything here?

Only the fact that two are extraordinary claims backed by no evidence with the expectation that the appeal to authority is sufficient, and the other is simply postulations from a theoretical physicist. In short, what you're missing is the evidence.

Originally posted by cushycrux

Originally posted by Dumbass
I know it is fun to think we are in a special age, but the exapmles are a bit off IMO.

sf movies are allready here for just a few years ahum.
avatar is just a special effect render movie nothing more.
russian militairy folks are allready talking about ufo's for ages.
also in movies, documantairies etc. maybe you know it... it was called VHS.

so IMO disclosure was allready happening since, at least, the 80's.

or maybe it is just me being a dumbass


Ohw and got to mention this: before youtube, we had general search engines, before that i think they were called libraries.

The 80's ?!

Statue from 4000 bc..

The Crucifixion' - painted in 1350:

So Scifi exists maybe before the biblical times -> more that 4000 bc. and we have still no contact, right?

you are right but two things:

I was talking about disclosure like the OP was talking, mainly through movies and sciencetainment.

Ohw and got to mention this: before youtube, we had general search engines, before that i think they were called libraries.

and the picture of more then 4000 years ago, i know them, saw them in something made out of killed trees... how do you call it.... oh yeah a book, well that information was not really closed right? Humans just met them then, nothing to hide. The closing of the info was not present yet. Makes me wonder how it became closed, in order to disclose it now. LoL or does disclosure means the closure of dis???

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by franspeakfree
Am I missing anything here?

Only the fact that two are extraordinary claims backed by no evidence with the expectation that the appeal to authority is sufficient, and the other is simply postulations from a theoretical physicist. In short, what you're missing is the evidence.

Even though there is no evidence its still gaining media attention, people from around the world are now starting to read these articles that before they would have been dismissed as wild deluded drunken claims and nothing more. There is a change in the way people are percieving the possibilities of life existing elsewhere.