Former Legislator Makes Statement May 8, 2010 on Un-Released Eisenhower Brief Regarding ET's

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Lol so because you are older, that means you have a better say on the ufo subject. What a load of bull, and shows that you are ignorant. So, do you use this arguement all the time on these boards. If so, then that is sad!


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And your reply shows you have a LOT to learn my friend.

"Age has nothing to do with it im afraid. We can all read!"

That is true! I know more than my uncles and aunts on a lot of subjects, and I'm younger!

"Lol so because you are older, that means you have a better say on the ufo subject. What a load of bull, and shows that you are ignorant. So, do you use this arguement all the time on these boards. If so, then that is sad!"

I agree again! You don't have to be older in order to have a say in ANY subject. I know more than my aunts and uncles. And my mom too! Except my dad because he's f****** smart! I mean holy moly.

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

Lol so because you are older, that means you have a better say on the ufo subject. What a load of bull, and shows that you are ignorant. So, do you use this arguement all the time on these boards. If so, then that is sad!


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And your reply shows you have a LOT to learn my friend.

Oh great!
Sorry great old wise one. Im a fool to think that anyone younger than you could have half the knowledge you have on ufos. Remember everyone else on this board ,oldDragger has over 30 years experience on this subject, so he knows everything, much more than we could ever dream of.

Hang on!
Does that mean anyone who is younger than me knows less about the subject than me. Off course it does!

OldDragger has spoken and we should all listen! .

[edit on 13-5-2010 by Jay-morris]

When comon folk started reporting ufo sightings the debunkers would say,
these people don't know what they are looking at or they just want attention.Then you had trained observers such as police and pilots and the debunkers would say where is the evidence.Now that ex military, government officials and astronauts confirm the existence of et visitors the debunkers say they are all crazy or senile.
Its prety much the same as doctors and scientists always trying to explain away NDE's.Endlessly revolving in circles never coming to a conclusion because they are stuck in the religion of scientism.

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AceWombat04.....

Thank you for your well thought out & well expressed post.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Alright, let's get this back on topic.

Age is only a number and everyone's opinions are valued. Any more personal posts will be removed as off topic.

Thanks.

Getting back to the subject, there's a lot on the web about Eisenhower and meeting the aliens. Just one site has this to say.

Besides President Eisenhower, several other officials were present during this meeting. Dr Edwin Nourse (1883-1974) was the first chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors to the President (1944-1953) and was President Truman’s chief economic advisor. Nourse officially retired to private life in 1953 and would certainly have been a good choice of someone who could give confidential economic advise to the Eisenhower administration. Dr Nourse was present at this meeting, he did so in order to provide his expertise on the possible economic impact of First Contact with extraterrestrials. Another individual present was Bishop MacIntyre. Cardinal James Francis MacIntyre was the bishop and head of the Catholic Church in Los Angeles (1948-1970) and was an important gauge for the possible reaction from religious leaders generally, and in particular from the most influential and powerful religious institution on the planet – the Roman Catholic Church. In particular, Cardinal MacIntyre would have been a good choice as a representative for the Vatican since he was appointed the first Cardinal of the Western United States by Pope Pius XII in 1952. All Cardinal MacIntyre’s correspondence is closed to researchers thus making it impossible to confirm what impact the visit to Muroc had on him and what he communicated to other church leaders and the Vatican. Cardinal MacIntyre had sufficient rank and authority to represent the Catholic Church and the religious community in a delegation of community leaders. Another attendant of this meeting was Franklin Winthrop Allen, a former reporter with the Hearst Newspapers Group. Allen was 80 years old at the time, author of a book instructing reporters on how to deal with Congressional Committee Hearings, and he was a good choice for a member of the press who could maintain confidentiality.

awarenessproject.blogspot.com...

You might also want to check this out.

www.encyclomedia.com...

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Originally posted by Paradigm2012
Now all the evidence has been put on the plate and placed in the courtroom. Its appears believers have victory again..
Debunkers are no longer posting in this thread due to all the evidence provided.

Paradigm2012.....

I don't think there has been very much evidence provided.

I hope that situation changes.

Kind regards
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so at the end of his video he says " I'd like to thank our communications team" hmm

heres more

On May 12, 2010, Art Campbell, the foremost researcher into the Eisenhower UFO-E.T. saga, e-mailed me to invite readers to examine the fruits of his labor: "Great announcement [re McElroy's statement]. You may release this data about what we believe was the second meeting (in 1955) between Ike and the ETs . One entire story is now on the internet, done for 'Filers Files' in 2007. It is a seven-part series on www.ufocrashbook.com...

ufoview.posterous.com...

looks like ive found the man behind the curtain. The mystery speech writer, my spidey senses never let me down. More to follow...

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Originally posted by Arkady
All I see here is a crazy old man, he seems to struggle to concentrate and read from his que card and his speech patterns are strange and staggered.

Arkady.....

I think that's a little overstated.

Kind regards
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Originally posted by Riposte
reply to post by -Blackout-

 

Who cares if he met with them or not. The document he is speaking about is absolute proof.

Unless, of course, it's like the other documents that we are told exist, but never actually see...McCarthy's list of 205 Communists working the the State Department comes to mind.

This is pretty crazy, if true. It seems like more and more people are coming out with all sorts of information. Governments are even disclosing previously confidential records. Except us, of course. I find it hard to think that there is absolutely NOTHING to this ET thing if we have not only accounts from laypeople, but we have the experiences of those in government and in high ranking military positions and astronauts. Not to mention the number of countries that have decade's worth of previously confidential documents released to the public whom they were keeping them from in the first place, obviously for a reason.

I'm surprised by some of the comments by those who see this as a non-issue. It's okay for you to have that opinion but I'm surprised the discussion has taken this turn instead of the usual, is he credible or not, which would be more understandable. I find it odd that since one can't quite question his credibility the excuse has fallen to, "this doesn't add to the discussion".

This astounds me.

I'm still on the fence about whether or not ET's have visited us, but I see this as pretty interesting testimony. I don't see it as a non-issue simply because every single time another person comes out with their story, it should always be an issue and we should always try to get to the bottom of it instead of automatically dismissing it or even fully buying into it.

I think this is going to turn out to be an important video regardless of which direction it pans out in. If as I suspect not much at all happens (i.e. the mainstream media ignore it) then it could be argued that it's "one that got away" for the controlling powers. On the other hand it you might consider that it was intentional, authorized and part of the gradual process.

If it falls into that first bracket then I expect to see a smear campaign rolling into town over the next few days to try and dent credibility.

The third option is that it's not factually acurate and has some unknown agenda, although I have to say, when I see people jumping to criticise him at this early stage it makes me wonder what their own agenda is here. Lets just see how it goes - I'm sure as we speak many people are doing background checks and are attempting to validate any part of this as best they can.

This will no doubt have been noticed by the relevant powers, lets see what the response from them will be, if any (and whether it's directly or through third parties such as the media).

P.S. I know this is right out there, but that video seems kind of flickery to me and not that great quality - anything else going on there besides the obvious? Anyone care to check there's nothing unusual in the background? I don't have the facilities (or time) where I'm posting from at the moment.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
I challenge you to explain why you insist on evidence in a case that is purely based on what the man says he saw.

First off, I have every right to ask for evidence whenever a claim is made. Everyone should do the same.

Second, that is exactly my point. People are proclaiming this man's claims as proof of a cover-up of extraterrestrials, when there is absolutely no proof, whatsoever.

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
You are like demanding scientific evidence from a thread where none is being presented...

I'm not asking for scientific evidence, I am asking for anything that would corroborate or verify his story. None has been forthcoming.

Your right to ask for evidence in a case is not being denied you. I'm just saying you are demanding orange juice from a banana. It doesn't work like that in this case and you know it. You don't have to believe it, you can keep ranting and raving.

And you ARE asking for scientific evidence, don't lie. You are asking for "anything that would corroborate or verify his story" and that is asking for evidence.

Originally posted by Nova
although I have to say, when I see people jumping to criticise him at this early stage it makes me wonder what their own agenda is here.

You are right on the money with that statement. However, I think it goes both ways. It's just as bad to cite this as some sort of proof that aliens exist or, at the very least, the existence of the document itself.

The point of ATS , especially regarding these types of topics, is to not pass immediate judgment as to the truthfulness of something before we know more about it. At this point, we don't know much, but, as you said, I'm sure there are people trying to get to the bottom of it rather than just saying "It's real!" or "This guys a loon".[edit to add: then there's those of us who won't say one way or the other and let those who are good at research do the work ]

Too often we have people criticizing others for buying into something without all the facts and in the same breath, assume the information/evidence to be false.

We need to know a lot more about this guy before we can make ANY kind of judgement. I think another poster had a great point (sorry, can't remember the name right now). We not only need to know his official position in government, but we need to know in what capacity he reportedly saw this document and for what purpose, if any, it was shown to him.

Basically, we need to know the context in which this document was supposedly presented.

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This is a pretty fascinating account - it appears a fellow named Ed Komarek interviewed Sam Standland who apparently saw the video taken by Jimmy Dolittle at the time Ike met with ET's.

My friend says that it showed the three craft coming down over the runway doing some flight demonstrations and one craft landed and human ET's came out. They said that they were willing to cooperate and give mankind technology to cure disease and cheap non polluting energy technology if they would make concessions in regards to warfare and other things but Eisenhower said the government was not ready for that and that cheap energy technology would severely disrupt the economy.

www.trudeausociety.com...

My guess is Jimmy Dolittle was also the James Harold Dolittle of whom Ike requested he conduct an investigation of the CIA's covert activities. The attached is pretty interesting information. Could the CIA have controlled ET involvement as early as this? Me thinks so.

It is my desire that the Panel of Consultants should undertake a comprehensive study of the covert activities of the Central Intelligence Agency, in particular those carried out under the terms of NSCID #5 of August 28, 1951, and NSC 5412 of March 15, 1954.4 You will consider the personnel factors, the security, the adequacy, the efficacy and the relative costs of these operations and, as far as possible, equate the cost of the over-all efforts to the results achieved. You will make any recommendations calculated to improve the conduct of these operations. To the extent that agencies of the Government, other than the Central Intelligence Agency, are engaged in covert operations which may parallel, duplicate, or supplement the operations of CIA, you may investigate such other operations conducted by any other department or agency of the Government in order to insure, insofar as practicable, that the field of foreign clandestine operations is adequately covered and that there is no unnecessary duplication of effort or expense.

www.eisenhowermemorial.org...

Peace

I am listening to it now. I wanted to rate it on youtube since the comments have been restricted. It is not possible to rate or comment....hmmm wonder why?

ok so this is what i found out.

Art Campbell is behind this video & releasing the blog transcript. Campbell writes books about President Eisenhower going aboard a flying saucer and having a 45 minute meeting with the aliens in 1955.

this ones definitley for the hardcore belivers. Have fun.

Originally posted by yeti101
ok so this is what i found out.

Art Campbell is behind this video & releasing the blog transcript. Campbell writes books about President Eisenhower going aboard a flying saucer and having a 45 minute meeting with the aliens in 1955.

Yeti101.....

Can you posts some links so I can do some reading about this? (many thanks).

Kind regards
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