Maybe the largest conspiracy yet to come.

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Well I did not intend to argue, however I would like to clear up somethings, Enlightenment is not about being smarter than a book or God, it is about reading a book, and in fact reading as many books as you can and considering all options, to achieve the greatest amount of knowledge. This would also be the reason your "Ignorance" claim does not apply to those who choose the path of enlightenment. Jesus did not write any of his teachings down, neither did Buddha or Muhammad, they taught those who would listen, their disciples, and in turn there disciples either wrote down what they remembered or passed it on through word of mouth. Jesus was considered the son of God, because he became enlightened, not because "God a Supreme Being" impregnated Mary with him. This is known because like Buddha and Muhammad, Jesus was a normal man and did not begin his teaching's until his late 20's and early 30's after he had reached his enlightenment. Read, it will unlock many of your questions.

Good day.

Good day.

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I believe that after the rapture, there will be many that will believe in the lie of the false "I Am - the Antichrist," as well as the alien posers - Demons and Nephilim.

We are already living-out 1 Timothy 4:1,2 - “Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron….”

This may be a shock to most Christians, but there will be many who you see in church that will not be caught up with the dead in Christ. Many are already deceived, along with many influential pastors. In order for a born-again Christian to be truly saved, we need to heed 1st Timothy's warning, and remove any other idols that may be standing in-between us and Christ, which are listed in 1 Cor 6:9,10.

I believe that there will be many who don't even go to church that we will see on the way up. One's like grandma's who have worn-out their knees praying for loved one's fighting in Iraqi or Afghanistan, or even youth that understand who God is through the conviction that they feel when sinning and ask for His forgiveness (never setting foot in a church). Many pastors that are already blinded due to what is written in 1st Timothy, will most likely accept the coming Antichrist and the aliens. Examples of this would be: Bishop Jakes who has promoted Presidential candidates who support abortion, Bishop Eddie Long that has formed a young black disciple group to worship Obama, Billy Graham who has publicly denied the works Christ did on the cross, where it is no longer valid to question whether someone is saved or not. Lump Billy in with the all-good-people go to heaven preachers, like Robert Schuller and Joel Osteen.

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Great reply. I'm right there with you.

Just a couple of points if I may:

Notice that the Scriptures show that although YaHuWaH Messiah is coming down or decending from the ShamaYAim or Heavens it ALSO makes a very clear distinction that there will be an "ascending" of His people to "the clouds" and "in the sky" after He "decends". This distinction is important because it shows that there does not seem to be a dimensional change for His people who as the scripture said would be "Alive". Were His people to ascend to the ShamaYAim or Heavens there would be no need for a human body or vessel. In this case however I believe the human body will be preserved as the ascension will only by to the clouds and in the sky in this dimension and in this world. The question must be begged, "How will we stay ascended in the sky and clouds? In fact the scriptures state that His people who were "asleep" would first be raised from their sleep. Would this be into the form of their previous body similar to when YaHuW Messiah raised Lazerus from his dead state? It makes sense that it would because if we are alive and in our body form in the sky/clouds one could believe they would be in body form to.

Lets admit to each other that this is very bizarre information however the scripture is not cryptic in any way, shape or form. How ever fantastic it is, it is very very concise and clear.

Okay so now His people are suddenly ascended into the sky and with those prior faithful who were asleep in death. Will we just hang there OR will this part of what I am about to say be the "deception" that the scripture says in II ThessalonikiYA 2:11, "Because of this, Almighty Loving YA of All Creation SENDS them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. Notice He SENDS them a strong delusion. This scripture makes the distinction of His Son our Messiah's ascension and He The Almighty Loving YA of All Creation who will SEND something that will end up being a strong delusion. Perhaps he will SEND a vessel for those raised from sleep and for His alive and ascended YaHuWaHn People to be in while in the sky and clouds as the scripture describes?

In summary perhaps once YAH's faithful Set Apart Servants are turned against by the one world governments of this world only after they have turned against ALL religions of the world as foretold in Revelation, just perhaps he causes His people to appear abducted by and taken into a vessel in the sky. Just perhaps the disinformation allowed by the Anti-Messiah will be that these disobedient people of the state have been abducted by an Alien class who did so because of their disobedience to the government and to the one world religious order.

Remember that Shatan and the Anti-Messiah must explain away this prophesied occurrence. What better way than to use the whole Alien thing. Perhaps that is why over the last 20 years the amount of movies and tv shows on the matter has grown every year. Sightings and videos have also become abundant. Perhaps this is in preparation by the Anti-Messiah for this deception that he will actually take part in knowing full well of what is really occurring. Many good people who are not Set Apart Ones will still have an opportunity to repent and declare The Name that is Above All other Names, namely YaHuWaH and be saved from eternal destruction even if they are not ascended at first.

Remember, we have ALL been lied to! ALL the religions of this world have a piece of the truth but they resist THE TRUTH. HalleluYAH and AmaniYA. P R A I S E Y A H U W A H . C O M for more info !!!!

This was made clear to YaHuWaHns at the time of persecutions being endured by the CAHals or congregations there in ThessalonikiYA

I am a non-believer. If the rapture were to happen I would think that it would be pretty hard to cover up. Being one of few, if not the only, non-believer in my family the first thing I would notice is that my whole family would be gone. I doubt that even "extra strength delusion" would convince me that the rapture had not happened.

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Well I'm hoping you'll join the right side. The post before yours has alot of strength.

cont'd:

So the following is the chronological order of events:

1. Our Messiah leaves the heavens and descends.
2. His faithful Set Apart Followers asleep in death are resurrected.
3. YaHuWaH's people who are alive and active in Declaring His Name are about to be attacked by the one world religious Anti-Messiah order for non-compliance to the "world religious order". As prophesied YaHuWaH reacts instantly and in the aid of His People only AFTER ALL man made religions of this world are collapsed into one.
3. Because the ascension is in the realm of this dimension and earths sky and clouds, His people are housed in deceptive looking ships similar to the ships in Independence Day oddly enough.
4. This is explained away by governments and Anti-Messiah as abductions of non-compliance to the New Religious Order.
5. Many who believed in a rapture no longer believe because of the new religious order and also because 'If there was a Rapture, I would have been Raptured too right?" type of sentiment.
6. Those upon the earth will be broken up into 3 categories: 1)Evil followers of RA, Anti-Messiah Pagan embracing Sun Baal type worshipers. 2)Agnostics who really do not believe in anything but go with the flow in anything. 3) Those whose heart conditions are good however have not and did not become Set Apart from all man made religions and paganistic traditional practices, those who YaHuW Messiah said "get away from me for I do not know you". They allow there faiths to be directed by man and churches rather than simply reading the bible and allowing truths to become self evident as it becomes for those who are Set Apart from this world. Those in this category know the 10+1+1 Eternal Law Covenant Commandments, follow some of the Commandments, but choose to allow their religious sects and orders to interfere with them keeping ALL of the Commandments Forever as instructed CLEARLY in scripture where YA the Eternal Loving Creator said, "You should keep ALL of these commandments FOREVER."

There will be no hope for those in the 1st category as they have made their decision to back Shatan against YaHuWaH. Those in the 2nd category will have a small percentage that will learn to actually care and want to realize that things do matter and Praising YaHuWaH IS important. 3rd category will have many that will break free from the chains of false teachings and realize the error in not keeping YAH's Commandments and YaHuWaH Messiahs 1+1 commandment given at the time of His missionary work during his first coming.

At this stage a separation will occur, a purifying process among the people of Eartz and upon YaHuWaH Messiah's return. What role we who are ascended will have is as of yet unknown. Shatan and his minions will be abyssed for 1000 years as the separating the wheat from the chaff occurs. A resurrection shall also occur where all those in the memorial tombs (non-Set Apart ones asleep in death) will come out as exampled by our Messiah's resurrection and healing miracles in His 1st coming. Over a 1000 year period all will be given perfection and allowed to make choices much like the perfect 1/3 of Angels did who fell and 2/3 of Angels who stood firm in righteousness. This period will end and Shatan and His Minions shall be released for a short time knowing they will soon be wiped out completely and like a raging animal will seek to take as many as they can down with the perverbial ship. as it were. Once Shatan and his Minions along with all of disobedient mankind are destroyed and the Eartz fully purified to perfection a New Age of Man will dawn as YaHuWaHs Kingdom become fully established on Eartz as it is in ShamAHim (Heaven).

PraiseYaHuWaH.com

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Great post. I think there may be a lot of truth there.

Being raised in the Catholic church where my father removed us during the change he saw a few decades back, I have found more spirituality amongst my brethren than any Church going could ever have done.

As for the rapture, I have a feeling the delusion will not be as some have pondered. Not instantaneous, but a gradual transition. I do not know why I say this, maybe because the Lord is all forgiving, and the Lord will give all those in the world a last chance.

We are all his children. One must only except his word and they will be forgiven all sins.

I am not a huge bible reader or spreader of my spirituality. I spent several periods devouring the different books. As I am a devourer of knowledge, I find I have erred on not reading exclusively his word enough. I am sure I will pay penance for this.

I also have a problem with wrath, oh how I have problems with wanting to spread his vengeance. I know this is a sin, let those cast the first stone. I know, I know, working on it!

Anyway, P and GB.

There have been some very good answers so far. Now I will add my understanding of the subject.

First,I have to ask..How many times is the Lord returning to earth? We are looking for the Second Coming,right? He's already been here once,so,...?

Then,Revelation 1:7,"Behold,He cometh in the clouds,and every eye shall see Him..." That's EVERY eye,not just believers.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17,"For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,and with the trump of God,and the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST. THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up with Him.
(Doesn't sound very secretive,either,does it?)

Matthew 24:8 says it will be like "in the time of Noah",and goes on to say,"Two men will be in the field,one will be taken and the other left". Left for what? As in the days of Noah,those who weren't "saved" were destroyed.

John 11:24,"I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the LAST day."

Just from those scriptures alone,it sounds like it is telling us that the resurrection will occur at the last day,and it will not be secretive!

In Thessalonians 2:8-12,"And then the lawless one will be revealed,whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendoe of His coming. The coming of the lawless one will will be in accordance with the work of Satan,displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles,signs,and wonders,and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but delighted in wickedness."

I,too,believe this could be a combination of antichrist/alien lie. Why are churches promoting the "rapture" so much? Obviously it sells,and it keeps people from watching for the "signs",thinking they won't be around when the tribulation occurs,and no where is that belief scriptural!

Why all the fuss with "Project Bluebeam"?! Huge dillusion in the making! I'll be surprised if they can pull that one off,but "forewarned is forearmed"!

While the Bible says He will come "as a thief in the night",too many stop right there,forgetting it says in 1 Thessalonians 5:4,"But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief".

The biggest warning of all that Jesus warns of in the last days is one of deception. The best way to not be deceived is to draw near to God more than ever and pray for His discernment,through the Holy Spirit,and for your eyes be opened. (I know mine have been!)

Revelation 1:3 says,"Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it,because the time is near." (Only that specific book comes with it's own particular "blessing",because guess what?..."With much knowledge comes much grief"-I paraphrased that a little.! It's Eccliastes 1:18..)

This is a very worthy topic and I am afraid I am not doing it justice! Others can say it much better than I can! Now is the time to study these things with all your heart. So many "signs" coming to pass,I believe the end is indeed very near.

Here is are some good links on why the PreTribulation Rapture is a lie.

users.stargate.net...
(Not as corny as the name sounds!)
www.lightministries.com...

Who is the "antichrist"?

Antichrist is both a political and religious power.


Revelation 17:3, "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."
In prophecy, a woman is defined as a church...

Jeremiah 6:2 says, "I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman."
We also understand the Church of Jesus Christ is considered to be the "Bride of Christ" because of many areas of Scriptures that describe her as such. It is also commonly understood that prophecy defines a beast to be a nation.

Daniel 7:17, "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth."
Daniel 7:23, "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces."
Even in today's world, nations are described as beasts? The USA is seen as an eagle. Russia is likened unto a bear, and China even carries the image of a dragon.

Many years ago Daniel was given a great vision about all the nations of the earth till the end of time. In this vision he saw the last beast to be "diverse from all the others." (Daniel 7:19) But how diverse would it be? According to Revelation 17:3 as we have already seen, this beast will have a woman riding it. Since prophecy defines a woman as a church, and a beast as a nation. Is there such an entity described in history? Is there a church and state mixed together as one some place today? Yes there is. Only one place on earth has ever done this. The Vatican of the Roman Catholic church has been established upon this type of union, and is now finalizing plans to use this prophecied church & state structure to obtain global rule in the place of pagan Rome.

Antichrist will have his church & state sit on 7 hills

Revelation 17:3, "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."
Now before I define these seven heads I would like to remind you that I am not giving my "private interpretation" of this prophetic symbol. The Word of God states we are never to do this. (See 2Peter 1:20) According to Revelation, that beast the woman is sitting on, that we already defined as the Vatican church & state conglomerate, will have seven heads. But how does prophecy define those seven heads? Look just a few verses lower to find out. The Angel that is showing John this vision actually tells him point blank what those heads actually mean.

Revelation 17:9, "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."...

Please read more at
www.remnantofgod.org...



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[edit on 11-5-2010 by On the Edge]

Originally posted by endisnighe
Being raised in the Catholic church where my father removed us during the change he saw a few decades back, I have found more spirituality amongst my brethren than any Church going could ever have done.

As for the rapture, I have a feeling the delusion will not be as some have pondered. Not instantaneous, but a gradual transition. I do not know why I say this, maybe because the Lord is all forgiving, and the Lord will give all those in the world a last chance.

We are all his children. One must only except his word and they will be forgiven all sins.

I am not a huge bible reader or spreader of my spirituality. I spent several periods devouring the different books. As I am a devourer of knowledge, I find I have erred on not reading exclusively his word enough. I am sure I will pay penance for this.

I also have a problem with wrath, oh how I have problems with wanting to spread his vengeance. I know this is a sin, let those cast the first stone. I know, I know, working on it!

Anyway, P and GB.

The wrath part In past history was always for rebellion against his will and word. But he always gave them away out. And of course the rapture is the way out of the Great Tribulation yet to come. Thanks for the post.

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The wrath part In past history was always for rebellion against his will and word. But he always gave them away out. And of course the rapture is the way out of the Great Tribulation yet to come.

There is a big difference between the wrath of Satan and the wrath of God. Believers will be persecuted,and many killed for their testimony,(Rev.13:5-7),but we will not suffer the wrath of God,unless maybe in the form of "natural disaster" or something! Either way,whether we live or die,we belong to the Lord. (Plagues will definetly befall those who take the "mark of the beast".)

Revelation 7:13,"...These in white robes-who are they and where did they come from?"
...These are they who have come out of the tribulation,..."

More later...

Trying to get back to main topic.


The Baptist and several other Christian denominations believe that we "Christians will some day soon be called out of this world in a "rapture". And most Christians that study the subject believe that it is coming very soon.

1st Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Ok with that verse being the description of the rapture we then have this verse:

2nd Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Now these two verse's point to two different event's that happen at roughly the same time. It is the viewpoint of most rapture believing the Christians that the delusion comes directly after the rapture.

Here's my question: When this event "the rapture" occurs, how is anyone going to not understand that it was only the Christians who are gone? I think it has everything to do with the "strong delusion".
Here's my second and final question: What do you guys think that strong delusion may be? Is it disclosure of the ufo's?

Evidently it will be convincing because the passage says that they should believe a lie.

Are we getting disinformation from Hawking to cover up what's about to happen?

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Ooooh, I just had a very bad epiphany.

There will be wars and rumors of wars.

Now, you could say at this point in history, is one of the most free flowing of information ever.

There is a huge economic debacle, numerous countries with illegal immigration issues, wars, strife, hunger, etc etc etc.

What would be the one thing that would be believed by the most people?

Aliens?Nope
Catastrophe?Nope

What if it is leaked that a roundup of dissidents was released? A conspiracy of the numerous militias in the US and other government protesters have been rounded up. The illegals in other countries rounded up.

This would be the perfect scenario for a cover up.

They could blame themselves and most of the people left would think it would be the right thing to do to keep the peace.

That is the perfect scenario.

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I've thought something along those lines,too,if I'm reading you correctly. My thought was that the only "rapture",before Christ's return,would be by the Dept. of Homeland Security!

I don't know,but it is an interesting topic.

(Sorry to the OP if I misunderstood what you're after!)

On another thread,someone wrote that in Iraq,soldiers have seen Jesus on a cross in the sky,stating in their opinion that it was Project Bluebeam being tested. That's interesting!

I guess we'll see what happens when it happens!

No problem. Thanks guys those are the kind of Ideas I'm looking for. I'm very sure the Dept. of Homeland security and Fema will play a major roll.

This very important thread seems to be stalling so....

Question: YaHuWaH Messiah comes down from the ShamaYAim and it says he brings a trumpet. Now I know that trumpets have meanings and uses throughout the scriptures. Since this applies to this topic I would love to know various thoughts on what that trumpet actually is. Perhaps trumpet = ship?

Just a thought... no proof...

The reason so many won't realize the "rapture' has happened is because so many "Christians" will still be here. There will be those true Christians or the True Church called away, but a disproportionate amount of "so-called christians" will still be here.

The false delusion will be that the "so-called christians" will follow the Anti-Christ here on earth... either out of denial or desperation alomg with the rest of the world. The world seeing all the "do gooders and so-called christians" still here won't realize what has happened. They too will follow the world leader and the beast government.

There are seven seals and seven trumpets and seven bowls of wrath. Based on the scriptures, Jesus returns with the angels armed with sickles at the seventh trump or trumpet for the Church. The angels actually do the harvesting or gathering.

Then come the seven wraths, the anti-christ is revealed a Satan, and the world lay in torment. Then comes the final battle at Armageddon, and the Second Coming of Jesus.

Sorry guys, I've been away for a few day's so lets crank it up again.

Again let's stay on topic and stay away from docternal in-fighting.

And again The topic is basically What Will The Anti-Christ use to cover up the rapture? Also I'm not sure it's all the Anti Christ. Because the book says that God will send them "STRONG DELUSION" that they should believe the (antichrist's) LIE.

I followed some of p.o.w.s writings about the music industry just signed up. I AM NOT HIM if you believe he is the anti-christ , cause that is a trip. You know the word "revelation" means great ephimamy?? It was a phophecy maybe not to be taken literally.