athiests! why christianity?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by technical difficulties

 

So who designed the designer then?

You didn't just hit me with that pitiful, pathetic, bit of redundant, crap assed,
cliche? While you were thinking you were going to stump me? Grow up.
That is the stupidest thing anyone has ever asked me. You don't even realise who your talking to. Go away little girl.
Sirnex has gone down in flames everytime he's come against me.
He hates me to the point of hilarity. I thought he was going to stock me with the U2Us once. He's a joke. Hope he shows. For that matter, I
would love to hear from their sap assed cult leader dawkins .I challenge him to show on these boards. Lets have us a run at dick dawk.

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Notice he resorts to name calling and never once addresses the question at hand which by his own logic states is "law one" perhaps god is lawless in his world.

No-one has answered me.

Because Jesus is about love.

Atheists say he does not exist. So atheists have no love in their lives?

I would like an answer.

reply to post by eight bits

This illustrates a good deal of the problem, sirnex. You've slipped into the habit of making fact claims without evidence.

Technically you gave me contextual evidences implying the possibility of what you may believe through your blatant defense of one belief over another belief.

It is, however, my religion. So your ad hominem crap

Not sure what your attempting to state here, but agnosticism is not a religion my friend, just as much as atheism is not a religion or science is not a religion.

stops here.

You can't keep your rant straight even for a paragraph. Agnosticism beings as a nonreligion, and ends up as a religious group. You are visibly making up your "facts" as you spew.

You complain that we don't look at evidence. What evidence? You haven't presented any. You get called on to back up any of your fairy tale, and you attack the person, not the issue.

Hmm, me thinks your not truly an agnostic as your doing it wrong.

What evidence are you willing to accept when you call the evidences fairy tales? How am I supposed to reason with maturity when someone is quick to openly dismiss?

You see, your not looking for evidence, you just want to bitch about the evidence. If you can tell me what sources of evidence you will accept, I will then locate those particular sources for you, until then please put the troll trap away my friend.

How nice. But you have been asked repeatedly to back up your contention that "ignorance of natural forces and effects" accounts for religion. An intervening poster has questioned that your "ignorance of yadda yadda" has anything to do specifically with the Christian religion, the topic of this thread.

As previously noted, repeating your claims will not be confused with your backing them up.

I think your getting confused due to your negativity clouding your judgment and memory. How about you take a few moments to relax and re-read your posts. Your attacking me here for something that has not occurred between you and I.

Present some evidence, sirnex. Nobody's buying fertilizer today.

Nor am I buying your fertilizer that your an agnostic as you defend one belief while attacking another... Hmm, what did you call it again?? Ah, a fairy tale!

Like I said... mentally stagnate. You bitch for evidence from the "fairy tale" side (Atheism) while defending blindly without bitching for evidence of the religious side. How about we stop jerking around and admit what your real belief is?

reply to post by catwhoknows


hehehe... well I feel with you for wanting to "get back at em". but forget it if you're hoping for an atheist saying something like: "I understand how you came to that conclusion". Their only interest lies in proving you wrong and proving to all here what ignorant and stupid people believers really are.
Who is forcing who to change their views? I thought that was only meant for believers. wasn't this the biggest reason christians were picked on in the first place...?

I think its time atheist start getting picked on to... well if you solemly look at the factor of "chance" i'd have to say believers have the big advantage here... At least we have some positive outlook for our future... something an atheist cant say...

Originally posted by AABacon

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by technical difficulties

 

So who designed the designer then?

You didn't just hit me with that pitiful, pathetic, bit of redundant, crap assed,
cliche? While you were thinking you were going to stump me? Grow up.
That is the stupidest thing anyone has ever asked me. You don't even realise who your talking to. Go away little girl.
Sirnex has gone down in flames everytime he's come against me.
He hates me to the point of hilarity. I thought he was going to stock me with the U2Us once. He's a joke. Hope he shows. For that matter, I
would love to hear from their sap assed cult leader dawkins .I challenge him to show on these boards. Lets have us a run at dick dawk.

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Notice he resorts to name calling and never once addresses the question at hand which by his own logic states is "law one" perhaps god is lawless in his world.

Go look for umpteen billion other times I addressed the puny question.
If I said you are a dumbass that would be name calling.
Saying Atheists are puny and pathetic isn't name calling. It's an opinion.
However I didn't even say that. Nor would I because that's not my opinion.
Some people I can almost understand their point of view .So they get a lot of credit. I have friends even on thyese boards that are atheists.
I choose not to address the question. Not because I can't address it.
But because it's childish. I don't know if he was a little girl or not.

Mmmm... Randy is a special breed of person. I don't recall ever saying I hated him nor do I recall him winning any debates as I always make sure I have the last word on anything. But yea, he does tend to insult and side step when debating with him. Although I do think it's cute he thought he was important enough for me to bomb his U2U box. [/qute]

Now you see this is some real compitition rather than bite down on the bone I offered he realises I was drawing him in with my rederick. I think I just proved my point.



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Originally posted by catwhoknows
No-one has answered me.

Because Jesus is about love.

Atheists say he does not exist. So atheists have no love in their lives?

I would like an answer.

And an answer you shall readily receive!

First, your assumptions of love and how it arises is utterly ignorant of the biological processes that take place to give rise to such an emotional response. Mind you, this is NOT an insult or meant to offend you, it's just a valid observation on where and how you think love arises.

What Jesus teaches is a message of loving one another. He is not how an emotional response arises within the brain. It's about as simple minded as stating anger and hate are only from Satan. Where does other emotions come from then if they come from invisible entities?

Atheists have much love for everyone. I'm an Atheist and I feel love all without believing your deity of choice is real. I possibly have more love than most Christians do as they attempt to convert every living thing to their belief system which is just very intolerant in my opinion.

Hopefully this answered your question sufficiently and please don't take offense, none was intended.

reply to post by faceoff85


Thanks for your reply and guess what? I have given up on people who do not want to believe in JESUS.

That is their loss.

reply to post by randyvs


I'm too lazy, and besides, your answer is just the same old meme that's been passed on for a long time now. Nothing new in this debate.

God made everything.
Who made God?
God wasn't made, he's always been.
Well then how do we know we haven't always just been?
Cause God created us.
Then how do we know that God has always been?
Well, I think you just need to pray and ask for faith.............. What a bunch of poop!

reply to post by sirnex


Thanks for your kind answer.

If God is about destruction and hate, Jesus is about love and life.

So, if Jesus was not real, are we here to try and cope somehow?

Probably.

But how could you not believe in Jesus, who brought Love and Light, kindness, loving and forgiving?

reply to post by AABacon

God made everything.

Then you do see my point. redundant.

Dear Mod I do hope you see this is all part of the why Christianity?
Are we going to be ok here or let us know if we should sease?
Please give us a sign?

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reply to post by catwhoknows



Did my prediction of what type of answer you would NOT receive prove true?
there is no real sharing of viewpoint going on here.... just a bunch of namecalling and people describing how dumb other people are... I guess this is the reason this thread was started in the first place... any religion cannot be explained if the explainee doesn't want to believe... it can be understood but even that is asking for to much around here

Originally posted by catwhoknows
reply to post by sirnex

 

Thanks for your kind answer.

If God is about destruction and hate, Jesus is about love and life.

So, if Jesus was not real, are we here to try and cope somehow?

Probably.

But how could you not believe in Jesus, who brought Love and Light, kindness, loving and forgiving?

Interesting reply... So you believe God is destruction and hate and Jesus came to abolish God's rule? Do you believe Jesus took over God's throne?

I personally only believe in those thing's that are readily evident to be real and existing. The historicity of Jesus is rather thin and vague and parallels many other mythological figures from other religions in that region and time period as do many biblical stories. The history of religion has shown that religions tend to pop up often time borrowing from previous religions they came from and as even the church itself has shown, it's borrowed some stories in attempt to convert pagans.

Not everyone needs the Judaic-Christians deity to live good honest fulfilling lives. There are many religions that also teach love and peace and many adherents that practice that message everyday, by your means of logic, they still are incapable of love without Jesus, as am I.

I disagree with this assertion however and I could go on and on about the many good deeds I as an Atheist have done without wanting to be recognized or rewarded for those deeds. I hope one day you can change your opinion of those who don't believe in Jesus as such an opinion will distance you from many great people that may enter your life, surely something Jesus would not want to happen to you as he preaches to love even thy enemy.

reply to post by faceoff85


People who care help, whatever they be.

Just thank God for those people.

I say again, thank God for those people, because where would we be without them?

reply to post by sirnex


Jesus is only and always about love, foregiveness, and enjoying your life.

I think God is judgemental.

As in...we go to Hell, or we go to Heaven.

I think we go where we belong.

reply to post by sirnex


Sirnex I wanna give you props. the last couple of posts made me wonder why I started a discussion with you in the first place but this last post shows why I felt the need. As for the subject. I find it an interesting point of view. I also believe the bible has a couple of instances where a 2nd party actually tried to calm god down sotospeak. look at the story of Lot. I dont concur with this view but fact is this has happened

I also want to point out that the judaic way of life is something spoken ill about in the bible. look at what jesus says about them in Mathew 15:6. In the end they were the ones who took gods name out of the bible. consequentially they are responsible for the fact that in our time we just simply dont know how gods name is supossed to be pronounced.


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reply to post by eight bits

It would be convenient for your religion if everybody else's religion was a failed attempt at inventing science.

What religion? I'm an agnostic atheist, hence why I am in this thread.

I'm not the only one who shares this opinion. I read a book of Norse mythology that was prefaced with exactly the sort of statements I have been making, that the Norse used religion as a way of explaining natural phenomenon they couldn't grasp scientifically. I never said all gods and goddesses get created to explain nature but that they are often personified as something in nature (constellations, the ocean, etc etc etc). Did I say this was the only aspect those deities take on? Nope.

I never stated that only one aspect of reality was used to characterize deities, over the course of millenia many characteristics were added to various deities to make them very complex. I was making an overall sweeping philosophical assessment of what I believe God's represent. Psychologically the unknown is daunting to our primitive, but self-aware, minds. You are right that many of these gods and goddesses were probably not created for the EXPRESS purpose of explaining nature as supernatural and answering the big questions are some of the main functions they served. Many religious myths attempt to explain the big questions we humans face. Where did language come from: Tower of Babel. Why do we seem to know right from wrong? Adam and Eve, etc etc etc. These myths come directly from our ignorance and our desire to have answers but because we were still primitive we could hardly have figured out things like evolution at the time...

reply to post by faceoff85

I also want to point out that the judaic way of life is something spoken ill about in the bible. look at what jesus says about them in Mathew 15:6.

That particular verse isn't necessarily speaking ill of Judaism, but rather pointing out that the way to God is through God and not through the synagogues.

In the end they were the ones who took gods name out of the bible. consequentially they are responsible for the fact that in our time we just simply dont know how gods name is supossed to be pronounced.

I could have sworn God told Moses his name was YHWH...